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Reply #60 posted 05/10/08 11:19am

midnightmover

AKON TALKING ABOUT "PLANS" TO WORK WITH MIKE

Akon talks to Rolling Stone in April 2007
I'm excited, im highly excited because I think it's gonna be magic when we get together.
All the stuff that he's going through, that he's been through the past two years, the stuff that's been out in the media... the stuff that hasn't been out, I think he needs to just take all that (and) put it in his records. It's a big story.
Nobody's ever really heard Mike's story... People go by what they heard or what they're told but nobody never really heard him and his story, and what captivated all those movements. If he takes that and accepts what's been out there and expresses his opinion, express his feelings, express what he felt on a record I think it'd take his whole album to a whole 'nother level because the album now becomes a soundtrack of his life from that point to this point and that's something people are gonna want to know about - that's something people are going to want to hear from him. And with his voice, and with our melodies, with the way and how we can bring it across I think it would be incredible.

Akon speaks to a reporter July 2007
(asked what he is doing with MJ) Whoo! It's gonna be incredible. He's incredible. I see why now he is so big. He is a genius. Yeah, he's a genius.

Akon talks on radio interview December 2007
(asked why he got in late) I was workin on MJ's new project. Yeah man, working on his new project, getting ready to launch his album. Oh man he got a surprise for you guys for Superbowl. Yeah man the guy's about to and take over 2008.
(asked is it a performance) I cant say anything.
I didnt say he was gonna perform. Im not gonna tell you too much, i may have told you too much already.
You see Mike has something totally separate going on, its just happening around the Superbowl time, so, ill give you a hint - His prescence will be felt around that time.


Now, I don't know if you ever went to school, but if you did, they may have told you about these things called tenses. Now, there are basically three tenses. Past, present and future. I say this because all these quotes from Akon which you think describe his work with Michael, actually describe no such thing. They are talking in the FUTURE TENSE. Look at the bits in bold. He's not saying he's done anything new with Mike. He's saying he's going to. The only work he actually says he's done with Mike is for the "tribute album" as he put it, coming out at "Superbowl time 2008". Well, that's already come and gone so we know what that was. It was called Thriller 25. It was a remix. lol lol

HOPEFUL PRODUCER SUBMITTING TRACK

Producer Syience SOHH Exclusive July 2007
"I'm actually working on music for him now," he said. "I always wanted to be a part of anything he ever did. Nobody really knows what Michael Jackson is going to do. Even the biggest producers and writers are not sure what's going to happen with that, but we are all sitting back and still creating and trying to get on the project. They asked me to work on the project so we're working on it."

All this says is that the guy is sending Mike some instrumentals and hoping Mike will write something over them. It doesn't say that Mike has actually used them in any way. Do you know how to read?

HOPEFUL YOUNGSTERS ALSO SUBMITTING TRACKS

Ne-yo backstage at MOBO Awards September 2007
Michael Jackson.. definately workin' with him right now, putting some stuff together. Umm, i can't talk about it a whole lot, you know, he's very much tryin' to keep it mysterious, but ahh, it's definately gonna be something worth checking out.


Kanye West on Michael Jackson October 2007
I'm working on stuff for Michael Jackson. If I like a person's outlet or what a person brings to the table then I'll speak to them.

Ne-yo speaks to The Voice November 16th 2007

Yes, yes. I am currently submitting songs for Michael Jackson's new project.. ahh I don't know when it's coming out.. Really not much else i can say about it other than I have had conversations with the man.. Ive actually met him.. You know we talked about where he wants to go this time and everything and um, the KEY thing he was saying is that to keep it very hush hush.. he don't want no song titles coming out, no nothin. He want's the world to be shocked and surprised when it comes out.
(Reporter says will.i.am said it might come out next year [2008])
Um, it's possible, it's possible. He said he definately wants it to come out soon. Yeah.
(Asked about will.i.am calling Ne-yo about working with MJ)
Yes yes, we are actually supposed to be doing some songs together but you know his schedule has him over here and mine has me over here so we're trying to work it out.

Again, all these quotes say is that NE-Yo and Kanye are sending him tracks in the hope that he will use them. It means nothing more than putting a CD in the post, and crossing their fingers. NOWHERE do they say that anything has actually happened beyond that stage. The only concrete thing that Michael seems to have actually done with them is talk. These quotes describe an awful lot of talking, but no actual work on Michael's part. That's what you missed.
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Reply #61 posted 05/10/08 11:22am

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After years of this, I don't know how anybody can get excited over a few comments. Forget the chatter, people want to see results and there is none. I don't think anyone he's worked with should be able to talk about anything until the campaign is ready to go. Not only does it seem ridiculous, it's sorta unfair to fans. He's not in direct communication the way some artists are letting fans know why things aren't happening. What was the point of the Billy Bush interview sit-down? He knows the fans getting excited and hang on ever tidbit of info. Obviously some of it is beyond his control but alot of is within his control and it seems like this constant big tease. Dude hasn't been productive in years and isn't worth all the speculation. Sorry I don't count the rehashing of Thriller as work. My twocents
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Reply #62 posted 05/10/08 11:30am

midnightmover

Finally, Michael speaking six months ago.

Michael Jackson talks to Bryan Monrow from Ebony Magazine November 2007
(asked can we expect more of Michael Jackson)
I'm writting alot of stuff right now. I'm in the studio, like, every day. I think, like, the rap thing that is happening now, when it first came out, I always felt that it was gonna take more of a melodic structure to make it more universal, 'cause not everyone speak English. (laughs) And you're limited to your country. But when you have a melody, and everybody can hum a melody, then that's when it became France, The Middle East, everywhere! All over the world because they put that melodic, linear thread in there. You have to be able to hum it, from the farmer in Ireland to the lady who scrubs toilets in Harlem to anybody who can whistle to a child poppin' their fingers. You have to be able to hum it.


Here, when asked a straight question about the future, Michael responds with two clipped sentences and then COMPLETELY CHANGES THE SUBJECT. lol Suddenly, he moves to a generalized analysis of music. Errr, that's great Mike, but why the sudden change of subject?
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Reply #63 posted 05/10/08 11:38am

midnightmover

JackieBlue said:

After years of this, I don't know how anybody can get excited over a few comments. Forget the chatter, people want to see results and there is none. I don't think anyone he's worked with should be able to talk about anything until the campaign is ready to go. Not only does it seem ridiculous, it's sorta unfair to fans. He's not in direct communication the way some artists are letting fans know why things aren't happening. What was the point of the Billy Bush interview sit-down? He knows the fans getting excited and hang on ever tidbit of info. Obviously some of it is beyond his control but alot of is within his control and it seems like this constant big tease. Dude hasn't been productive in years and isn't worth all the speculation. Sorry I don't count the rehashing of Thriller as work. My twocents

Thank you. The Billy Bush thing underlines how Michael himself doesn't know what he's doing. He obviously wanted to send a message that he was working again, but when you do that, and then don't follow up on it, it just comes across like a tease. I've said that before. He's teasing his fans, and the people he "works" with. He's notorious for making business deals and backing out of them, and it seems he's doing the same thing now in his musical career. You can see that will.i.am is finally realizing this, but of course only after he's already made a fool of himself by telling the whole world he was working on Mike's "new album". You can also see a note of frustration in Ne-Yo's quotes.
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Reply #64 posted 05/10/08 11:38am

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midnightmover said:

Finally, Michael speaking six months ago.

Michael Jackson talks to Bryan Monrow from Ebony Magazine November 2007
(asked can we expect more of Michael Jackson)
I'm writting alot of stuff right now. I'm in the studio, like, every day. I think, like, the rap thing that is happening now, when it first came out, I always felt that it was gonna take more of a melodic structure to make it more universal, 'cause not everyone speak English. (laughs) And you're limited to your country. But when you have a melody, and everybody can hum a melody, then that's when it became France, The Middle East, everywhere! All over the world because they put that melodic, linear thread in there. You have to be able to hum it, from the farmer in Ireland to the lady who scrubs toilets in Harlem to anybody who can whistle to a child poppin' their fingers. You have to be able to hum it.


Here, when asked a straight question about the future, Michael responds with two clipped sentences and then COMPLETELY CHANGES THE SUBJECT. lol Suddenly, he moves to a generalized analysis of music. Errr, that's great Mike, but why the sudden change of subject?


falloff WTF? I didn't even read your response but I was thinking basically the EXACT same thing. I remember he used to go off on tangents back during Thriller and I thought it was cute but now I wish someone would be like "answer the question".

I'm writting alot of stuff right now. I'm in the studio, like, every day.

Sorry, but one word came to me when I read this: Lies.
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Reply #65 posted 05/10/08 11:51am

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this time last year MJ fans were saying MJ's album would be out before Madonna's.
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Reply #66 posted 05/10/08 12:04pm

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midnightmover, while I like some of your points I absolutely dislike the way you talk with others ("brainless" "do you have a school education?")
anyway, your knowledge is profound and I see that - like me and many other critical MJ fans - you just feel let down by MJ...

i'm dissapointed as well...

especially that "OTW for today" crap has been said in 2000 as well, when Bruce Swedien was asked to describe the new songs...
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Reply #67 posted 05/10/08 12:34pm

midnightmover

graecophilos said:

midnightmover, while I like some of your points I absolutely dislike the way you talk with others ("brainless" "do you have a school education?")
anyway, your knowledge is profound and I see that - like me and many other critical MJ fans - you just feel let down by MJ...

i'm dissapointed as well...

especially that "OTW for today" crap has been said in 2000 as well, when Bruce Swedien was asked to describe the new songs...

I don't feel let down by MJ. I basically wrote him off 11 years ago when I saw a clapped out old man lip synching his way through the History Tour. A year later Prince released New Power Soul and I realized it was over for him too, (although he still rocks live). Fortunately, I was getting into other things at the time, so it worked out quite well. I still love the old MJ. He was great, but he died a long time ago. Anyone who can't see that is setting themselves up for years of disappointment.
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Reply #68 posted 05/10/08 2:18pm

SoulAlive

ehuffnsd said:

this time last year MJ fans were saying MJ's album would be out before Madonna's.


I remember starting a thread last year titled "Madonna and Michael are releasing new albums this November---who will come out on top?" lol
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Reply #69 posted 05/10/08 3:09pm

Timmy84

ehuffnsd said:

this time last year MJ fans were saying MJ's album would be out before Madonna's.


I remember that very well! lol
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Reply #70 posted 05/10/08 3:31pm

JackieBlue

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SoulAlive said:

ehuffnsd said:

this time last year MJ fans were saying MJ's album would be out before Madonna's.


I remember starting a thread last year titled "Madonna and Michael are releasing new albums this November---who will come out on top?" lol


That's funny. Everyone should have chosen Madonna. She actually works.
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Reply #71 posted 05/10/08 9:08pm

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Surely we must have other things to talk and debate about other than this repetitive topic every week confused
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Reply #72 posted 05/10/08 9:12pm

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midnightmover said:

AKON TALKING ABOUT "PLANS" TO WORK WITH MIKE

Akon talks to Rolling Stone in April 2007
I'm excited, im highly excited because I think it's gonna be magic when we get together.
All the stuff that he's going through, that he's been through the past two years, the stuff that's been out in the media... the stuff that hasn't been out, I think he needs to just take all that (and) put it in his records. It's a big story.
Nobody's ever really heard Mike's story... People go by what they heard or what they're told but nobody never really heard him and his story, and what captivated all those movements. If he takes that and accepts what's been out there and expresses his opinion, express his feelings, express what he felt on a record I think it'd take his whole album to a whole 'nother level because the album now becomes a soundtrack of his life from that point to this point and that's something people are gonna want to know about - that's something people are going to want to hear from him. And with his voice, and with our melodies, with the way and how we can bring it across I think it would be incredible.

Akon speaks to a reporter July 2007
(asked what he is doing with MJ) Whoo! It's gonna be incredible. He's incredible. I see why now he is so big. He is a genius. Yeah, he's a genius.

Akon talks on radio interview December 2007
(asked why he got in late) I was workin on MJ's new project. Yeah man, working on his new project, getting ready to launch his album. Oh man he got a surprise for you guys for Superbowl. Yeah man the guy's about to and take over 2008.
(asked is it a performance) I cant say anything.
I didnt say he was gonna perform. Im not gonna tell you too much, i may have told you too much already.
You see Mike has something totally separate going on, its just happening around the Superbowl time, so, ill give you a hint - His prescence will be felt around that time.


Now, I don't know if you ever went to school, but if you did, they may have told you about these things called tenses. Now, there are basically three tenses. Past, present and future. I say this because all these quotes from Akon which you think describe his work with Michael, actually describe no such thing. They are talking in the FUTURE TENSE. Look at the bits in bold. He's not saying he's done anything new with Mike. He's saying he's going to. The only work he actually says he's done with Mike is for the "tribute album" as he put it, coming out at "Superbowl time 2008". Well, that's already come and gone so we know what that was. It was called Thriller 25. It was a remix. lol lol

HOPEFUL PRODUCER SUBMITTING TRACK


All this says is that the guy is sending Mike some instrumentals and hoping Mike will write something over them. It doesn't say that Mike has actually used them in any way. Do you know how to read?

HOPEFUL YOUNGSTERS ALSO SUBMITTING TRACKS

Ne-yo backstage at MOBO Awards September 2007
Michael Jackson.. definately workin' with him right now, putting some stuff together. Umm, i can't talk about it a whole lot, you know, he's very much tryin' to keep it mysterious, but ahh, it's definately gonna be something worth checking out.


Kanye West on Michael Jackson October 2007
I'm working on stuff for Michael Jackson. If I like a person's outlet or what a person brings to the table then I'll speak to them.

Ne-yo speaks to The Voice November 16th 2007

Yes, yes. I am currently submitting songs for Michael Jackson's new project.. ahh I don't know when it's coming out.. Really not much else i can say about it other than I have had conversations with the man.. Ive actually met him.. You know we talked about where he wants to go this time and everything and um, the KEY thing he was saying is that to keep it very hush hush.. he don't want no song titles coming out, no nothin. He want's the world to be shocked and surprised when it comes out.
(Reporter says will.i.am said it might come out next year [2008])
Um, it's possible, it's possible. He said he definately wants it to come out soon. Yeah.
(Asked about will.i.am calling Ne-yo about working with MJ)
Yes yes, we are actually supposed to be doing some songs together but you know his schedule has him over here and mine has me over here so we're trying to work it out.

Again, all these quotes say is that NE-Yo and Kanye are sending him tracks in the hope that he will use them. It means nothing more than putting a CD in the post, and crossing their fingers. NOWHERE do they say that anything has actually happened beyond that stage. The only concrete thing that Michael seems to have actually done with them is talk. These quotes describe an awful lot of talking, but no actual work on Michael's part. That's what you missed.


MM, has anyone ever told you that you can be quite condescending?
lol
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Reply #73 posted 05/10/08 9:42pm

DarlingDiana

midnightmover said:

Let me break these quotes down into their respective categories and expain them to you since you obviously don't know what they mean. First of all...

TWO YEAR OLD MICHAEL QUOTES

Michael Jackson speaks to Billy Bush from Access Hollywood October 2006
(asked if he is writting music again) I never stopped (smiles).. I'm always writing a potpourri of music, you know, it's how it is.

Michael Jackson speaks to reporters at World Music Awards November 2006
(asked if he has started recording new material)
Yes.
(so far its going)
Excellent.
(is the king of pop back)
Yes.
Im putting it together; mainly writing it myself.. and working with other people.


Okay, anyone with a brain in their head knows Michael is the most unreliable source. Michael said in 2005 he was doing a song for Hurricane Katrina. It never happened, did it? Now, these comments here were made two years ago and we've still heard nothing. I don't think anyone doubts that Michael has worked on bits and pieces, but the issue is how intensely he's working, and with how much hunger. These quotes tell us nothing about that. It's because you failed to realize this that you thought his album would be out in 2007. You were wrong about that. The reason you were wrong is because you misinterpreted quotes like these.

WILL.I.AM'S GRADUALLY DIMINISHING PRAISE



Okay, ALL these quotes refer to sessions that took place in late 2006 and early 2007. Most of that work was done 18 months ago, and we've heard nothing. More importantly, you'll see how in the early quotes he is SUPER EXCITED to have worked with his childhood idol, yet in the later quotes he is cooler and describes basically being fobbed off by Michael. When asked about the songs recently he TOTALLY CHANGED THE SUBJECT. lol Will's friend Slash recently revealed that things didn't turn out well and that Will said Mike won't have any material out for some time. Don't you think those recent quotes are FAR MORE relevant than the older ones? And also, do you think Slash has any reason to lie about that?

STATEMENT FROM A PUBLICIST NONE OF YOU TRUST

Raymone Bain statement re: Michael's current career situation 2007
"He hasn't made up his mind about whether a Vegas show is in the cards for him," stated his rep, Raymone Bain. "He's been in the studio since November 2006 working on his music. He's been presented with various proposals. A Vegas show isn't a priority". "He's in Las Vegas now. He's pretty grounded in Vegas. It's very convenient for producers and songwriters to get to him. He's worked there before. He's been recording with producers Rodney Jerkins, will.i.am and Neff-U"

Again, this tells us NOTHING about how serious Michael is. We know he had recording sessions in late 2006/ early 2007, but no one knows whether they amounted to anything. Michael's Jewish doctor friend (I forget the name, but I'll check it in a minute) described how, in the early '00s, Michael would arrange sessions with musicians, but nothing would get done because Michael lacked motivation. He said Michael was a "shadow of his former self". Don't you also think it's strange that all this work took place in late 2006/ early 2007 yet not much seems to have happened since then? Oh, and just in case you think it has, read on, while I explain these other quotes to you.
[Edited 5/10/08 11:21am]


I think you should stick to things you know. And this isn't one of them. Michael didn't say one word about the Hurricane Katrina single. That was all Raymone Bain, and she was heavily criticised for it. Notice she has barely spoke for Michael at all since then? She jumped the gun and told the press about something Michael probably mentioned in passing like "I'd like to do a charity single for the Hurricane Katrina victims.... maybe".

Also, if you know anything about Michael Jackson, who know he tries to keep everything hush-hush until the album's release. He has made everyone who worked with him sign an agreement that they don't talk about the album unless asked about it, and when they do they aren't allowed to mention song titles, the album title, possible release date or anything like that. I bet will.i.am got told off by Michael after the first few times he talked about the album, even mentioning titles, and that's why he's tried to change the subject every time he's been asked about it since. Or perhaps, Michael isn't keen on his work and will.i.am's bitter. Either way it's no indication that Michael hasn't been working hard on this album.

I'll respond to your next load of drivel next.
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Reply #74 posted 05/10/08 9:50pm

DarlingDiana

midnightmover said:

AKON TALKING ABOUT "PLANS" TO WORK WITH MIKE

Akon talks to Rolling Stone in April 2007
I'm excited, im highly excited because I think it's gonna be magic when we get together.
All the stuff that he's going through, that he's been through the past two years, the stuff that's been out in the media... the stuff that hasn't been out, I think he needs to just take all that (and) put it in his records. It's a big story.
Nobody's ever really heard Mike's story... People go by what they heard or what they're told but nobody never really heard him and his story, and what captivated all those movements. If he takes that and accepts what's been out there and expresses his opinion, express his feelings, express what he felt on a record I think it'd take his whole album to a whole 'nother level because the album now becomes a soundtrack of his life from that point to this point and that's something people are gonna want to know about - that's something people are going to want to hear from him. And with his voice, and with our melodies, with the way and how we can bring it across I think it would be incredible.

Akon speaks to a reporter July 2007
(asked what he is doing with MJ) Whoo! It's gonna be incredible. He's incredible. I see why now he is so big. He is a genius. Yeah, he's a genius.

Akon talks on radio interview December 2007
(asked why he got in late) I was workin on MJ's new project. Yeah man, working on his new project, getting ready to launch his album. Oh man he got a surprise for you guys for Superbowl. Yeah man the guy's about to and take over 2008.
(asked is it a performance) I cant say anything.
I didnt say he was gonna perform. Im not gonna tell you too much, i may have told you too much already.
You see Mike has something totally separate going on, its just happening around the Superbowl time, so, ill give you a hint - His prescence will be felt around that time.


Now, I don't know if you ever went to school, but if you did, they may have told you about these things called tenses. Now, there are basically three tenses. Past, present and future. I say this because all these quotes from Akon which you think describe his work with Michael, actually describe no such thing. They are talking in the FUTURE TENSE. Look at the bits in bold. He's not saying he's done anything new with Mike. He's saying he's going to. The only work he actually says he's done with Mike is for the "tribute album" as he put it, coming out at "Superbowl time 2008". Well, that's already come and gone so we know what that was. It was called Thriller 25. It was a remix. lol lol

HOPEFUL PRODUCER SUBMITTING TRACK


All this says is that the guy is sending Mike some instrumentals and hoping Mike will write something over them. It doesn't say that Mike has actually used them in any way. Do you know how to read?

HOPEFUL YOUNGSTERS ALSO SUBMITTING TRACKS

Ne-yo backstage at MOBO Awards September 2007
Michael Jackson.. definately workin' with him right now, putting some stuff together. Umm, i can't talk about it a whole lot, you know, he's very much tryin' to keep it mysterious, but ahh, it's definately gonna be something worth checking out.


Kanye West on Michael Jackson October 2007
I'm working on stuff for Michael Jackson. If I like a person's outlet or what a person brings to the table then I'll speak to them.

Ne-yo speaks to The Voice November 16th 2007

Yes, yes. I am currently submitting songs for Michael Jackson's new project.. ahh I don't know when it's coming out.. Really not much else i can say about it other than I have had conversations with the man.. Ive actually met him.. You know we talked about where he wants to go this time and everything and um, the KEY thing he was saying is that to keep it very hush hush.. he don't want no song titles coming out, no nothin. He want's the world to be shocked and surprised when it comes out.
(Reporter says will.i.am said it might come out next year [2008])
Um, it's possible, it's possible. He said he definately wants it to come out soon. Yeah.
(Asked about will.i.am calling Ne-yo about working with MJ)
Yes yes, we are actually supposed to be doing some songs together but you know his schedule has him over here and mine has me over here so we're trying to work it out.

Again, all these quotes say is that NE-Yo and Kanye are sending him tracks in the hope that he will use them. It means nothing more than putting a CD in the post, and crossing their fingers. NOWHERE do they say that anything has actually happened beyond that stage. The only concrete thing that Michael seems to have actually done with them is talk. These quotes describe an awful lot of talking, but no actual work on Michael's part. That's what you missed.


LMAO! OK, first off I have to point out how ridiculous it is that you point out Akon's quotes from April and July of 2007 as indications that Akon is going to work with Michael, but you completely overlooked the quote from December 2007 (which in case you don't know, came after April and July) where he said in response to why he arrived late "I was workin on MJ's new project".

The rest of the quotes prove that Michael is taking song submission for songwriters and producers, which means he is making an album. Even if Ne-Yo and Kanye and them get rejected. It doesn't prove anything. It proves they suck balls. It doesn't prove that Michael is lounging around all day pretending like he's making an album.

My point is, it's unjustified to make the assumption that he's procrastinating and he wont have anything out until 2012 based on quotes from Slash and other guys who aren't even working on the album. As I said before, based on what we known and what we've heard, it's far more ridiculous to assume the album wont be out until 2010 or later, than it is to think it could be out later this year.
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Reply #75 posted 05/10/08 9:54pm

DarlingDiana

midnightmover said:

Finally, Michael speaking six months ago.

Michael Jackson talks to Bryan Monrow from Ebony Magazine November 2007
(asked can we expect more of Michael Jackson)
I'm writting alot of stuff right now. I'm in the studio, like, every day. I think, like, the rap thing that is happening now, when it first came out, I always felt that it was gonna take more of a melodic structure to make it more universal, 'cause not everyone speak English. (laughs) And you're limited to your country. But when you have a melody, and everybody can hum a melody, then that's when it became France, The Middle East, everywhere! All over the world because they put that melodic, linear thread in there. You have to be able to hum it, from the farmer in Ireland to the lady who scrubs toilets in Harlem to anybody who can whistle to a child poppin' their fingers. You have to be able to hum it.


Here, when asked a straight question about the future, Michael responds with two clipped sentences and then COMPLETELY CHANGES THE SUBJECT. lol Suddenly, he moves to a generalized analysis of music. Errr, that's great Mike, but why the sudden change of subject?


I think a previous post said it best. "WTF?" He says, as clear as the nose of his face (lol) that he is in the studio EVERY DAY. He then goes on to talk about rap music because obviously he's been working with a lot of hip-hop producers and one of the things he'd like to achieve with his new album is to take a fresh, more melodic approach to hip-hop. I think this quote of his is very good. You are, predictably, focusing on the wrong thing. What you should be focusing on is what he says about melody being universal. It's a great insight into why he's been so successful worldwide. You should read this whole Ebony interview if you haven't already. It's very, very good.
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Reply #76 posted 05/11/08 5:28am

alphastreet

fresh melodic hip hop? Akon and those dudes are already doing it, he aint written a MELODY that makes everyone go crazy in years.

And he knows about hip hop eh? Then why am I hearing he has no clue what Soulja Boy is? And did you know that he didn't actually know will.i.am was a rapper?

I'm still a fan but until I have the album in my hands, everyone is talking shit and I wouldn't surprised if it turned into another GNR album wait.
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Reply #77 posted 05/11/08 7:20am

kdj997

Did someone say Mike lacked motivation? That's easy to fix. Someone needs to give Joe a belt and let him loose in Neverland. We'll get some new music then.
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Reply #78 posted 05/11/08 8:10am

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noone need MJ to bring the melody to hip hop music. that allready happened and when will Mh learn that his best stuff was released befor eHip Hop was popular?
Melody is cool, but pleas eno hip hop.
Mj hasn't got any street credibility anyway. he will be a laughing number.
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Reply #79 posted 05/11/08 8:20am

SoulAlive

Why is MJ so obsessed with having a hip-hop based sound?? I just don't get it.When has that style ever worked for him? It's ridiculous for him to be working with guys like Akon!! He needs to get back to basics and do a retro-sounding R&B/funk album.Hell,bring Rod Temperton back on board!
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Reply #80 posted 05/11/08 8:38am

Timmy84

That right there is called a midlife crisis - Michael's turning 50, y'all! lol Problem is every five-seven years he releases a record, the music scene ALWAYS changes so in MJ's case, in order to remain one of the most successful pop stars, he has to work with current-day hitmakers and producers. I don't know why Mike doesn't see how talented he really is. He truly doesn't need to be guarded by the likes of Akon, honestly.

Anyway, I agree with my nWo potna, again with the repetitive topics! lol
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Reply #81 posted 05/11/08 10:28am

DarlingDiana

alphastreet said:

Then why am I hearing he has no clue what Soulja Boy is?

I wish I was that lucky.
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Reply #82 posted 05/11/08 10:28am

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SoulAlive said:

Why is MJ so obsessed with having a hip-hop based sound?? I just don't get it.When has that style ever worked for him? It's ridiculous for him to be working with guys like Akon!! He needs to get back to basics and do a retro-sounding R&B/funk album.Hell,bring Rod Temperton back on board!

He kinda worked on Dangerous

He's trying to do the same thing he did with Bad and Dangerous, take the current sound and blend it with his signature sound, whatever that may be lol
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #83 posted 05/11/08 11:13am

Timmy84

DarlingDiana said:

alphastreet said:

Then why am I hearing he has no clue what Soulja Boy is?

I wish I was that lucky.
[Edited 5/11/08 10:29am]


He ain't missing out anyway. lol
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Reply #84 posted 05/11/08 3:51pm

motownlover

i think mike is actually working but he is taking his sweet time.
i also think that he is very insecure about him selve and his music.
why? probally because thriller was described as a work of god and everything after that was written off as a piece of sh-^% . i think he started chasing sales after thriller , and to him sales equal quality. and being serounded by people who aprove every step that he makes doenst help him either.

and for his quote on the rap thing , i think the thing that he is trying to say is that rap isnt universal but melodys are. but that is what came across to me
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Reply #85 posted 05/12/08 6:13am

SoulAlive

bboy87 said:

He's trying to do the same thing he did with Bad and Dangerous, take the current sound and blend it with his signature sound, whatever that may be lol


Yeah,but this strategy is played out.And if he really must have a hip-hop based sound,why does he have to choose Akon and will.i.am?? Why not choose Timbaland....he's a better producer than both of those guys.Or he could really go in a bold direction and do a few songs with Dangermouse.
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Reply #86 posted 05/12/08 6:42am

Cinnie

SoulAlive said:

why does he have to choose Akon and will.i.am?? Why not choose Timbaland....he's a better producer than both of those guys.Or he could really go in a bold direction and do a few songs with


I knew exactly who you were about to suggest before even reading it.

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Dangermouse.

SoulAlive said:

Dangermouse.

SoulAlive said:

Dangermouse.

SoulAlive said:

Dangermouse.

SoulAlive said:

Dangermouse.



HOW ABOUT SOME BALLADS BY ROBIN THICKE!!!!!???? razz
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Reply #87 posted 05/12/08 6:46am

SoulAlive

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I just don't understand why everyone chooses to work with the same predictable people.I'm sure Michael has also contacted R.Kelly for a few songs too rolleyes

Akon and Ne-Yo are making bland,faceless music that doesn't stand out one bit.Michael is on track to making another 'Invincible'.
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Reply #88 posted 05/12/08 2:59pm

Cinnie

SoulAlive said:

falloff

I just don't understand why everyone chooses to work with the same predictable people.I'm sure Michael has also contacted R.Kelly for a few songs too rolleyes


Yeah I get what you mean.

SoulAlive said:


Akon and Ne-Yo are making bland,faceless music that doesn't stand out one bit.Michael is on track to making another 'Invincible'.


So true. neutral
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Reply #89 posted 05/12/08 3:02pm

vainandy

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SoulAlive said:

Since it's obviously gonna take Michael years to release a new album,why doesn't he release a live acoustic set in the meantime? To tide fans over until the new music is finished and ready to go? He could do an MTV Unplugged set.It wouldn't take alot of effort on his part.


I never understand why the hell MTV was the one that had the unplugged show. That shit sounds more like it needs to be on CMT. lol
Andy is a four letter word.
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