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The MP3 Revolution: '98-'08 What We Lost Along The Way

An interesting article I found on CNET. I agree with a lot of what he says. AS much as I like the convenience of MP3s, they certainly don't come anywhere close to vinyl or even CD.


'98 to '08: What we lost along the way



If nothing else, we've certainly redefined our notions of portability over the last 10 years.
(Credit: Donald Bell/CNET Networks)


In the '90s, when the MP3 was new, it was difficult to predict the medium's effect on the music industry and our culture. Today, the results of the MP3 revolution are starting to show, and I sometimes wonder what we won.

It's fitting that 2008 marks the 10-year anniversary of two of the first MP3 players, the Eiger Labs MPMan F10, and the Rio PMP300, but chances are you didn't listen to a first-gen MP3 player in 1998. With the first iPod still three years off, most of us were in the heights of our compact disc addiction 10 years ago, content to hear our music on portable CD players. Hell, some of us still listened to cassettes.

The Sony Discman pictured above belongs to me. I never use it, but I like holding on to it because it reminds me of how amazing I once thought CDs were. Sure, they would skip like crazy, get scratched, or even break, but compact discs were the first medium to usher in the idea of "permanent" music--albums that (if treated kindly) would never degrade over time. After a lifetime of warped LPs and worn-out cassettes, CDs seemed almost magical.

Today, most of us take for granted that our MP3s won't wear out or skip. In fact, there's tons of antiquated annoyances we no longer worry about in the age of the MP3. For instance, when was the last time you had to special-order your music at a record store and wait a week or more for it to arrive? When was the last time you wanted to hear an album you know you own but couldn't locate in the mess of your apartment? As the music in our lives has evaporated into noncorporeal ones and zeros, the troubled memories of acquiring and maintaining a physical music collection are quickly fading into the past.

Despite the advantages of the MP3, I'm willing to wager that somewhere in your home you have a shelf, closet, or box filled with CDs, records, or cassettes (maybe even MiniDiscs). Why do we hang on to these antiques? Is it nostalgia? Is it the fear of losing something we can't regain? Or are we just lazy?
Screen shot of Apple iTunes music software.

Programs such as iTunes perfectly sort my digital music collection, but also homogenize artists into a spreadsheet of flat, impersonal squares. As a music lover, I can't decide whether technology has improved my relationship with music or simply sanitized it.

Call it the MP3-era hangover, but even as online music providers are finally offering the DRM-free downloads we asked for years ago, I'm starting to realize that my fascination with the MP3 is starting to wane. As a music fan, I can't completely accept that MP3s are the end of the line. I won't be reviving my old Discman anytime soon, but I can't help but wonder if we've lost more than we realize in the process of virtualizing our music collections.

I want to hear what you guys think, but to start you off, here's my list of music listening habits I had in 1998 that for reasons directly or indirectly related to the advent of the MP3, have died off. Admittedly, some of these habits are also related to the difference between being 19 and 29 (you can decide which are which).

Borrowing music

I know this may sound weird considering all the P2P music "sharing" going on these days, not to mention music-focused social networks such as Last.fm, but I miss borrowing CDs from friends. Like lending out a good book, lending music used to mean the lender actually gave up something, and that sacrifice imbued the music with personal meaning. Borrowing physical media also involves face-to-face interaction, oftentimes leading to great conversations. The modern age of copying, uploading, and linking to music has allowed me to discover new music at a much faster rate, but those discoveries seem much less personal.

Album artwork and liner notes

As far back as I can remember, whenever I brought home a new cassette or CD I would pop it in my stereo and immediately look over the album artwork and liner notes. Back then, I remember feeling ripped off if a group didn't include printed lyrics, but these days, I don't think twice that most of my music collection exists as a grid of basic metatags. Sure I can always jump on a band's MySpace page or Wikipedia entry if I want to know where they're from, what they're singing about, who their drummer is, or what their album cover looks like at full size, but I wish that information was still a part of the "product."

Used music

I spent more than two years of my life working in a new and used record store in Sacramento, where used CDs outsold new CDs about four to one. Used CDs not only offered our customers an inexpensive way to acquire new music, it gave people who were bored with their music a way to put money back in their pocket.

Putting aside my nostalgia for used music stores, I think we forget that MP3s are the first music format consumers cannot legally resell. Maybe I'm weird, but over the past 10 years, I've been happy to find myself on both sides of the used music economy--selling CDs to make rent, and buying great old records at garage sales. iTunes has never helped me pay the bills, and aside from illegal file sharing, there's no way to put your MP3s back into circulation after you're tired of them.

Music as furniture

I've known people with CD and record collections that take up an entire room of their home. Personally, I love going over to a friend's home and seeing what's on their shelves (books, CDs, DVDs). As our music collections disappear from our shelves and become entombed in our computers and iPods, something gets lost. Sure, it means dinner guests can no longer judge your bad taste in music, but it also means that when you want to hear Nick Drake on a on rainy Sunday afternoon, you'll need to boot up Windows Media Player or scroll through your iPod. Personally, I miss having Nick Drake live on my shelf as a tangible part of my life, and I miss seeing friend's music collections laid bare for me to analyze and admire.

So how about you? What do you miss about how you experienced music 10 years ago? Has today's technology made you feel more or less connected to the bands and musicians behind the music you hear today? Has the shuffle feature on your iPod opened you to new music, or just erased your attention span? I really want to know, so sound off in the comments.
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Reply #1 posted 04/29/08 10:55am

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Reply #2 posted 04/29/08 11:02am

Mara

So how about you? What do you miss about how you experienced music 10 years ago?


When I was wearing OshKosh B'Gosh, music videos were everywhere. When I was born, MTV already existed and was in full swing. And for a lot of people video was already the death of recorded music because, as much as the MTV/CD generation wants to point fingers at MP3s for diminishing quality, the music video already did a bang up job in only 20 years time. The artists that sold were the ones that either looked good, had a great gimmick, wowed you with a visual, got the most MTV love, etc. Now, that really changed the way people listened to and bought music. It became more about image and the visual aspect of the artist over their work. And when I talk about music, keep in mind I'm refering to popular music genres, not classical or jazz, because that's what Bell's article is ultimately about.

I do like all aspects of musical art and I like a good music video, but honestly, I will say that 10 years later, I find I don't miss the music video. And I couldn't care less about it. I will watch them here and there, but I don't care about a music video as much as I used to nor does it dictate how I feel about a song. I will not burn away a whole afternoon or late night watching videos. I'd much rather control my own experience and choose when and where I listen to my music. Thus, with the current music revolution I've actually gained autonomy and self-designation in a way I couldn't get from a TV screen. I don't miss the bulk of heavy CDs, and I don't see that as the ultimate medium. I was too young (and a generation removed) to be addicted to the sound of vinyl, for me that never really was my issue. I do like the artwork, but it's not that necessary for me to get into an album.

I guarantee you. If the internet existed in the way it does now in 1992, you would a) have the older set hating on what the kids are into (as always) b) you'd have people griping about "music videos" as the "end of music" blah, blah. Folks gripping about compact discs being "too expensive," "artwork too small," "accessibility" yadda, yah. Now a lot of heads have the shit for FREE, so, you guessed it, folks are still yapping! People will forever have something to complain about. And I do sense a lot of vilification for the MP3 from Bell's article which I will respond with saying, listening to MP3s doesn't mean someone is Anti-music.

Has today's technology made you feel more or less connected to the bands and musicians behind the music you hear today?


Today's music is much, much more interactive. I, for one, REVEL in being in control of my experience. There are a new crop of bands that have come up in the MySpace/MP3 era and fans are more connected to their favorite artists than ever before. I'm not talking about MTV-era artists, I'm talking about MP3-era artists -- it's much easier to stay on top of tourdates, new stuff, and the stuff I'm interested in. No longer do I feel like an artist is this untouchable, larger-than-life being as I did 10 year ago. No longer do I think all artists are millionaires like I did 10 years ago (LOL). You can meet an artist after a show or buy the CD straight from them and I like that type of currency. Or, if you want, NOT do any of that and don't even have to watch TV or read an interview or listen to a lot of the old figureheads of music. It's very selective these days. And you can choose your own experience moreso than 10 years ago.

Also, take for instance, this friggin' site. Prince.org Non-Prince. I remember when I wasn't as active in online music communities (like the ORG, etc.) I didn't care about an artist's rivalry or their sales. I will say, I miss when Billboard Magazine was just a trade pub that only the industry business was into, NOT teenage/overinvested music fans. Music fans following charts as if that's the end-all, be-all of a product's life. We certainly gained that for the worse.

Has the shuffle feature on your iPod opened you to new music, or just erased your attention span?


Attention span for what? Sitting at home on the couch watching music videos all day, eating Doritos? Listening to commercial radio with a car salesman or ad jiggle disrupting your groove every 8 minutes? Is that what we should revert back to? What's so wrong with a listener dictating their own experience? Is it a lack of attention span or a fear of control that you miss? If someone wants to shuffle the hell out of their collection, I don't see that as so ADHD-ish. About the same as listening to any major pop station in the nation. Or do you agree that we should all be lemmings and stay with heavily genre-segregated commercial format radio? You tell me.
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So how about you? What do you miss about how you experienced music 10 years ago? Has today's technology made you feel more or less connected to the bands and musicians behind the music you hear today? Has the shuffle feature on your iPod opened you to new music, or just erased your attention span? I really want to know, so sound off in the comments.


I miss the effort of searching for music--like spending an afternoon going from store to store looking for that elusive 12" single. Most of those stores don't exist anymore and the ones that do, if they still sell vinyl at all, have nowhere near the selection that they used to have. Because I used to put more time into finding music, I valued and listened to it more. Now I can find an advance copy of an album online and download for free within a matter of minutes and I forget about it a week later.

Technology definitely makes me feel more connected to artists now. Before the internet, it's amazing I even knew record release dates, much less when a very small artist was playing in some dive. Thanks to technology, I go to many more live shows than I did ten years ago.

I've posted my feelings about the shuffle button on the org before. It's the tool of Satan. I don't understand though how shuffle opens you to new music. It's all your music in the first place that you already discovered, no?

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Reply #4 posted 04/29/08 11:23am

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I agree....I have an iPod and enjoy the convenience of MP3s, however nothing beats having product in hand and liner notes for background and reference.

I guess I am old fashioned: I still like having CDs or vinyl.

Thanks for the article - that was interesting and a good topic for conversation. Make sure Graycap23 sees it.

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Reply #5 posted 04/29/08 11:24am

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cubic61052 said:

I agree....I have an iPod and enjoy the convenience of MP3s, however nothing beats having product in hand and liner notes for background and reference.

I guess I am old fashioned: I still like having CDs or vinyl.

Thanks for the article - that was interesting and a good topic for conversation. Make sure Graycap23 sees it.

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Reply #6 posted 04/29/08 12:19pm

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Mara, that was a very impressive introspection of your opinion of mp3s. clapping
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Reply #7 posted 04/29/08 12:30pm

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Mara said:

I guarantee you. If the internet existed in the way it does now in 1992, you would a) have the older set hating on what the kids are into (as always) b) you'd have people griping about "music videos" as the "end of music" blah, blah. Folks gripping about compact discs being "too expensive," "artwork too small,"...


Critics already said those things in 1992 without the Internet. lol
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Reply #8 posted 04/29/08 2:44pm

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Mp3's are the final nail in the coffin for artists. Yes thats right, artists, not industry, the industry will survive as it always does, it will find something to sell and make money off of, i mean just release another Hannah Montana soundtrack and that makes up for all the waste on promo that labels do for other labels.

Cd's were the start of this death. The whole idea that you had to fill up 80 minutes with music DESTROYED album artists, if anyone says that any artist put a a PERFECT 18track 80 minute CD (that wasnt Live or a best of) they are lieing big time. This is the same analogy i hear when i talk to someone about Mariah Carey and they say "Butterfly" is a perfect album, than i name a few songs of that record that sucked and they agree, so how is that "perfect". It took till the last year or two that RB/POP got hip to the fact that 18tracks just show how bad you really are. And lets not just blame the new jacks for this, Prince,Janet etc all did this in the 90's here and there, with their skits, moaning etc..

So Cd's started the death, but MP3's and Digital downloads just sound like shit, music should be cheap not "CHEAP" sounding.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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I don't think CDs were the beginning of the death of the music industry. I think the greed that came with exploiting a new technology was the beginning of the death of the industry. Nobody ever "had" to fill up the space on a CD just because it was there. For a lng time, people didn't. And even so, they could have made the practice of making "enhanced CDs" commonplace and throwing a music video or two on every CD as an "added bonus" instead of adding more songs that the artists wouldn't collect royalties off of. Anything over 10 songs is pretty much free. Trying to charge $30 per CD (greed) was the issue. The industry got greedy and mp3s became the answer to consumer anger.
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Reply #10 posted 04/29/08 3:21pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

I don't think CDs were the beginning of the death of the music industry. I think the greed that came with exploiting a new technology was the beginning of the death of the industry. Nobody ever "had" to fill up the space on a CD just because it was there. For a lng time, people didn't. And even so, they could have made the practice of making "enhanced CDs" commonplace and throwing a music video or two on every CD as an "added bonus" instead of adding more songs that the artists wouldn't collect royalties off of. Anything over 10 songs is pretty much free. Trying to charge $30 per CD (greed) was the issue. The industry got greedy and mp3s became the answer to consumer anger.


Agreed but still certain artists gave in to this mentality. Prince or Janet didnt have to do 80 minute records but it was a combo of Egos gone wild and record company pressure. I can remember Morris Hayes talking back in the mid 90's how it was an obligation to fill up the cd for the listener, how dumb is that.

But working in retail the mentality of the newer artists was that whole deal "i gotta give em tracks", i mean i saw people put down cds when they saw 10 tracks, but thought it was HOT SHIT when they saw 22 tracks. Sorry to say but it was a combo of Greed and Dumb consumers plain and simple, the only way you can put something over on people is if their dumb enough to be fooled, and they were. Now MP3's may be the rage, but industry will survive, like Chuck D said, the record business is over, the industry is fatter than ever.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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lastdecember said:

Mp3's are the final nail in the coffin for artists. Yes thats right, artists, not industry, the industry will survive as it always does, it will find something to sell and make money off of, i mean just release another Hannah Montana soundtrack and that makes up for all the waste on promo that labels do for other labels.

Cd's were the start of this death. The whole idea that you had to fill up 80 minutes with music DESTROYED album artists, if anyone says that any artist put a a PERFECT 18track 80 minute CD (that wasnt Live or a best of) they are lieing big time. This is the same analogy i hear when i talk to someone about Mariah Carey and they say "Butterfly" is a perfect album, than i name a few songs of that record that sucked and they agree, so how is that "perfect". It took till the last year or two that RB/POP got hip to the fact that 18tracks just show how bad you really are. And lets not just blame the new jacks for this, Prince,Janet etc all did this in the 90's here and there, with their skits, moaning etc..

So Cd's started the death, but MP3's and Digital downloads just sound like shit, music should be cheap not "CHEAP" sounding.


I second all of what u said, Lastdecember. Some of my favorite artists *cough* Prince, has suffered from the 80 minute Album freedom that CD's have allowed.

But as far as MP3's are concerened, I don't even own an iPod. I still haven't got used to this MP3 stuff. I have lots of MP3's on my cpu. But when I want an Album, I go to the store to buy the actual CD. If anything, I use the internet just to "Demo" the album before I buy it. MP3's have just prevented me from wasting my money on buying a crappy album.
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Reply #12 posted 04/29/08 4:16pm

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Mara said:



Has the shuffle feature on your iPod opened you to new music, or just erased your attention span?


Attention span for what? Sitting at home on the couch watching music videos all day, eating Doritos? Listening to commercial radio with a car salesman or ad jiggle disrupting your groove every 8 minutes? Is that what we should revert back to? What's so wrong with a listener dictating their own experience? Is it a lack of attention span or a fear of control that you miss? If someone wants to shuffle the hell out of their collection, I don't see that as so ADHD-ish. About the same as listening to any major pop station in the nation. Or do you agree that we should all be lemmings and stay with heavily genre-segregated commercial format radio? You tell me.


I think he's talking about the ability to listen to an album from start to finish. A have a lot of friends who are addicted to the shuffle button and can't seem to get thru an album by a single artist. That said, some music is meant to be listened to in the context of the album is was released on, not so much as a single.

That's just my take on it anyway.
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Reply #13 posted 04/29/08 5:00pm

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I still buy CDs. Topping up files my iPod when I'm in a rush still takes wayyy more time than grabbing a handful of jewel cases.

I also enjoy shopping for records more than ever and am pleased to see vinyl is resurging in the mainstream.

I had an mp3 player before iPods came out too. I used it alternately with my Sony Discman (R.I.P.).

I don't think I have gotten rid of any old habits... just adopted MP3's as an additional format.

I definitely listen to cassettes less than I used to though.
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lastdecember said:

i mean i saw people put down cds when they saw 10 tracks, but thought it was HOT SHIT when they saw 22 tracks. Sorry to say but it was a combo of Greed and Dumb consumers plain and simple, the only way you can put something over on people is if their dumb enough to be fooled, and they were.


Co-sign to the fullest. People are sheeple.
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Reply #15 posted 04/29/08 5:11pm

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guitarslinger44 said:



I think he's talking about the ability to listen to an album from start to finish. A have a lot of friends who are addicted to the shuffle button and can't seem to get thru an album by a single artist. That said, some music is meant to be listened to in the context of the album is was released on, not so much as a single.

That's just my take on it anyway.



I think that's the idea Prince was trying to drive home when he made Lovesexy one single CD track, like it was all one song. It pissed off a lot of people but it seems that it was the point he was trying to make. The current music culture is based around singles instead of whole CDs, which is partially why a lot of CDs fail in sales.
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Reply #16 posted 04/29/08 5:32pm

Cinnie

I know plenty of teens who have totally adopted mp3s and they don't automatically have short attention spans. They enjoy "albums" too... they just buy them on iTunes instead of walking to the store. lol
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Reply #17 posted 04/29/08 5:40pm

Cinnie

BlaqueKnight said:

guitarslinger44 said:



I think he's talking about the ability to listen to an album from start to finish. A have a lot of friends who are addicted to the shuffle button and can't seem to get thru an album by a single artist. That said, some music is meant to be listened to in the context of the album is was released on, not so much as a single.

That's just my take on it anyway.



I think that's the idea Prince was trying to drive home when he made Lovesexy one single CD track, like it was all one song. It pissed off a lot of people but it seems that it was the point he was trying to make. The current music culture is based around singles instead of whole CDs, which is partially why a lot of CDs fail in sales.


I like that when you try to buy Lovesexy on iTunes it is STILL all one track. It makes a point twenty years later.
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Reply #18 posted 04/29/08 9:32pm

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I just got a turntable for my birthday and I've been really enjoying listening to vinyl. It's a much more interactive experience for me. You have to actively listen so you'll be able to flip it over and it just sounds so much better than MP3s or CDs.

I also really enjoy going to record stores again. It's fun looking and finding great stuff that I wasn't even looking for because I go without an idea of what I want. I just come back with whatever I find that looks the best and I've gotten some great stuff that way.
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Reply #19 posted 04/29/08 9:49pm

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Last night, I was hanging out with some friends from my graduate class which ended for the semster and we went to a bar. Right before I left (I wanted to get out because not only was I too tired to hang all night but wanted to go get the new Madonna album) we started talking about music. And my friend mentioned Chaka Khan. And it was great. I think I asked her what her favorite album was and she kept naming songs, some which I didn't recognize. At one point she said something like "And I had this song until Youtube deleted it"...and it occured to me that she might get all her music from online. I wasn't sure since the topic ended up getting changed, but that really struck me as sad...I would have to ask her again.
I know not everyone buys physical music here but I assume most do support local record stores and such. It's so great to be in a place where people really like their music!
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Reply #20 posted 04/30/08 9:33am

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guitarslinger44 said:

Mara said:





Attention span for what? Sitting at home on the couch watching music videos all day, eating Doritos? Listening to commercial radio with a car salesman or ad jiggle disrupting your groove every 8 minutes? Is that what we should revert back to? What's so wrong with a listener dictating their own experience? Is it a lack of attention span or a fear of control that you miss? If someone wants to shuffle the hell out of their collection, I don't see that as so ADHD-ish. About the same as listening to any major pop station in the nation. Or do you agree that we should all be lemmings and stay with heavily genre-segregated commercial format radio? You tell me.


I think he's talking about the ability to listen to an album from start to finish. A have a lot of friends who are addicted to the shuffle button and can't seem to get thru an album by a single artist. That said, some music is meant to be listened to in the context of the album is was released on, not so much as a single.

That's just my take on it anyway.


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Reply #21 posted 04/30/08 11:16am

Cinnie

I just think... iTunes sorta kills the album by selling it track by track. They could still release "singles" on iTunes that would include alternate remixes or b-sides and could be purchased as a whole for a smaller amount... just like the original blueprint but oh well.
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Reply #22 posted 04/30/08 11:48am

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why does the writer fail to mention mp3 is inferior , compromised sound !
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Reply #23 posted 04/30/08 12:18pm

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Dewrede said:

why does the writer fail to mention mp3 is inferior , compromised sound !


Cuz everyone already knows that. All you have to do is listen to one and it hits you in the face! lol
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Reply #24 posted 04/30/08 1:01pm

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Cinnie said:

I just think... iTunes sorta kills the album by selling it track by track. They could still release "singles" on iTunes that would include alternate remixes or b-sides and could be purchased as a whole for a smaller amount... just like the original blueprint but oh well.


Well that was the "cause" that JD and Jay Z were starting a campaign for and then JAYZ showed his true color "GREEN" and sold out the cause and joined with steve jobs.

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Reply #25 posted 04/30/08 1:16pm

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I miss the music that didn't make the cut to the digital transfer to begin with.

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Reply #26 posted 04/30/08 3:56pm

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I miss the music that didn't make the cut to the digital transfer to begin with.

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Reply #27 posted 04/30/08 4:06pm

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Blame Metallica.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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