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It's the end of the line for the Soul Train Music Awards

April 17, 2008. LOS ANGELES (Reuters Life!) - It's the end of the line for the Soul Train Music Awards, which have largely been ignored by the African-American stars the event aims to honor.

A spokeswoman said the show would not go ahead with its 22nd annual installment this year, but a reason was not specified.

At last year's event in Pasadena, most of the winners did not show up, including such A-listers as Beyonce Knowles, Mary J. Blige, John Legend and Gnarls Barkley.

The show takes place a few weeks after the Grammys, the music industry's top awards. Similarly themed ceremonies like the BET Awards have also provided some competition.

Perhaps more critically, the underlying syndicated dance show "Soul Train" ended its historic run in 2006. It was distributed by Tribune Entertainment, which exited the syndication business when billionaire Sam Zell took its Tribune Co. parent private late last year in a highly leveraged deal.

The "Soul Train" TV show has served as an important promotional springboard for black music's biggest stars since launching in national syndication in 1971. It claimed to be the longest-running show airing in first-run syndication.

The franchise is the brainchild of Don Cornelius, an ambitious Chicago DJ who decided in the late '60s that there was a need for a TV show featuring young black people dancing to recorded music. Few shared his view, and he self-funded a pilot in 1969. It aired on a Chicago TV station the following year, and quickly became a hit.

Cornelius, famed for an expansive afro in his younger days, hosted the show for the first 22 years. But he has kept a low public profile and rarely consents to interviews. He tearfully accepted a Grammy Award for lifetime achievement in 2005.


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Reply #1 posted 04/17/08 8:44am

HamsterHuey

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.
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Reply #2 posted 04/17/08 8:47am

Graycap23

I stopped watching the show years ago but did not know it had ended. Thanks.
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Reply #3 posted 04/17/08 8:59am

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It's a shame that it had to end but I kinda look at it as a sign as to how much bad shape R&B is right now. I don't know why the artists didn't attend but the last time I watched the Soul Trian Awards, it was so painful. It was in an airport hangar I think and hardly any of the stars were there. In fact, they showed the award show during the day, not at night like they used to. I guess this is really the end of the line for the SOOOOOUL TRAIN! It was a fun ride while it lasted.
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Reply #4 posted 04/17/08 8:59am

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HamsterHuey said:

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.



I can remember a couple of good shows, like the year that Janet Opened with I Get Lonely.. But i do know that last year hardly anyone showed up
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Reply #5 posted 04/17/08 9:02am

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HamsterHuey said:

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.

Soul Train used to be the bomb back when I was a kid in the mid 80's. They've been showing reruns of episodes from the 1970's and early 80's and the show was even better. I was too happy when Prince FINALLY went on the show in 1994. They played great music, had great guest, and had great dancers with the hottest moves. I even learned a few dance moves from Soul Train. Those were the days.
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Reply #6 posted 04/17/08 9:03am

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Sad, but it's been over for a while now for them.
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Reply #7 posted 04/17/08 9:10am

Timmy84

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Sad, but it's been over for a while now for them.


So true plus the BET Awards have taken up much of Soul Train's audience so it was inevitable unfortunately.
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Reply #8 posted 04/17/08 9:14am

Graycap23

banks said:

April 17, 2008. LOS ANGELES (Reuters Life!) - It's the end of the line for the Soul Train Music Awards, which have largely been ignored by the African-American stars the event aims to honor.

A spokeswoman said the show would not go ahead with its 22nd annual installment this year, but a reason was not specified.

At last year's event in Pasadena, most of the winners did not show up, including such A-listers as Beyonce Knowles, Mary J. Blige, John Legend and Gnarls Barkley.

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Interesting that u bring this up. The tide was starting 2 change in about 1995 - 1997. Hip hop started 2 over shadow the rest of the show. In 1996 2pac showed up and acted a damn fool and disrupted the show (not shown on TV) and the following year Biggie was killed outside one of the Sprite night events in Santa Monica. The attendance at the these event was really good prior 2 these incidents. After the Biggie murder, everything took a turn 4 the worse. IMHO.
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Reply #9 posted 04/17/08 9:19am

Timmy84

Graycap23 said:

banks said:

April 17, 2008. LOS ANGELES (Reuters Life!) - It's the end of the line for the Soul Train Music Awards, which have largely been ignored by the African-American stars the event aims to honor.

A spokeswoman said the show would not go ahead with its 22nd annual installment this year, but a reason was not specified.

At last year's event in Pasadena, most of the winners did not show up, including such A-listers as Beyonce Knowles, Mary J. Blige, John Legend and Gnarls Barkley.

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Interesting that u bring this up. The tide was staring 2 change in about 1995 - 1997. Hip hop started 2 over shadow the rest of the show. In 1996 2pac showed up and acted a damn fool and disrupted the show (not show on TV) and the following year Biggie was killed outside one of the Sprite night events in Santa Monica. The attendance at the these event was really good prior 2 these incidents. After the Biggie murder, everything took a turn 4 the worse. IMHO.


Yeah 2Pac and BIG gave Soul Train a bad name after that. After Janet in 1998, I stopped being a fan of the show because for me, Janet was the reason I watched it that year, lol. I only watched it sporadically after that. Thankfully the BET Awards is more entertaining.
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Reply #10 posted 04/17/08 9:43am

dseann

I watched the BET awards a couple years ago because Prince was performing. Sadly, The BET Awards and the Soul Train Awards reward mostly R&B music and musicians. R&B has become something I can't stomach(R&B/Shit Hop) and I refuse to listen to most of it or watch anything related to this now corrupted genre of music. I personally won't be missing the Soul Train Awards as I stopped tuning in since the mid 90's.
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Reply #11 posted 04/17/08 9:51am

Timmy84

dseann said:

I watched the BET awards a couple years ago because Prince was performing. Sadly, The BET Awards and the Soul Train Awards reward mostly R&B music and musicians. R&B has become something I can't stomach(R&B/Shit Hop) and I refuse to listen to most of it or watch anything related to this now corrupted genre of music. I personally won't be missing the Soul Train Awards as I stopped tuning in since the mid 90's.


Good point but the main reason I do watch the BET awards is for the legends they have on the show. They always outshine the younger acts. biggrin
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Reply #12 posted 04/17/08 10:14am

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Timmy84 said:

dseann said:

I watched the BET awards a couple years ago because Prince was performing. Sadly, The BET Awards and the Soul Train Awards reward mostly R&B music and musicians. R&B has become something I can't stomach(R&B/Shit Hop) and I refuse to listen to most of it or watch anything related to this now corrupted genre of music. I personally won't be missing the Soul Train Awards as I stopped tuning in since the mid 90's.


Good point but the main reason I do watch the BET awards is for the legends they have on the show. They always outshine the younger acts. biggrin


There was a year when Gladys Knight was given a lifetime achievement award and she got up there and sang all the newcomers under the stage. You also have a good point.
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Reply #13 posted 04/17/08 10:17am

Timmy84

dseann said:

Timmy84 said:



Good point but the main reason I do watch the BET awards is for the legends they have on the show. They always outshine the younger acts. biggrin


There was a year when Gladys Knight was given a lifetime achievement award and she got up there and sang all the newcomers under the stage. You also have a good point.


nod Gladys just... I still get goosebumps from that night! She's just the fucking best...

I wonder who's gonna be the next lifetime achievement winner this year.
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Reply #14 posted 04/17/08 1:49pm

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HamsterHuey said:

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.


Because most of the popular black artists (especially Beyonce, Usher, Jay-Z, and Mariah) are too much of a higher level of success for it. That's why.
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Reply #15 posted 04/17/08 1:51pm

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.


Because most of the popular black artists (especially Beyonce, Usher, Jay-Z, and Mariah) are too much of a higher level of success for it. That's why.


That and Biggie's murder just a few minutes after the show ended.
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Reply #16 posted 04/17/08 1:57pm

Rhondab

that show sucked.


BET is needs to keep honoring the ol'schoolers to keep the ratings up.


What ever happen to that VH1 Diva show?
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Reply #17 posted 04/17/08 1:58pm

Timmy84

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that show sucked.


BET is needs to keep honoring the ol'schoolers to keep the ratings up.


What ever happen to that VH1 Diva show?


The Divas show got canceled partly to low ratings I think.

And yeah BET definitely needs to keep rearing in the legends.
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Reply #18 posted 04/17/08 2:01pm

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Reply #19 posted 04/17/08 2:11pm

Graycap23

TonyVanDam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Sad.

But why did the honoured artists not attend? Is it a stupid show? Ayedunno, I just know Soul Train from stories on here and, weird enough, movies and youtube clips.


Because most of the popular black artists (especially Beyonce, Usher, Jay-Z, and Mariah) are too much of a higher level of success for it. That's why.

2 high 2 support what put u on in the 1st place? That's DEEP.
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Reply #20 posted 04/17/08 2:13pm

Timmy84

Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:



Because most of the popular black artists (especially Beyonce, Usher, Jay-Z, and Mariah) are too much of a higher level of success for it. That's why.

2 high 2 support what put u on in the 1st place? That's DEEP.


Well you know what happens when R&B artists suddenly cross over. Me and my momma always discuss it whenever these shows come on.
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Reply #21 posted 04/17/08 2:14pm

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Timmy84 said:

Graycap23 said:


2 high 2 support what put u on in the 1st place? That's DEEP.


Well you know what happens when R&B artists suddenly cross over. Me and my momma always discuss it whenever these shows come on.

"We" will never get "IT".
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Reply #22 posted 04/17/08 2:15pm

Timmy84

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:



Well you know what happens when R&B artists suddenly cross over. Me and my momma always discuss it whenever these shows come on.

"We" will never get "IT".


Basically. And even though some of their shows were at a high school auditorium, it wouldn't have hurt to show up. lol I know Ron Isley did. biggrin
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Reply #23 posted 04/17/08 2:17pm

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Timmy84 said:

Graycap23 said:


"We" will never get "IT".


Basically. And even though some of their shows were at a high school auditorium, it wouldn't have hurt to show up. lol I know Ron Isley did. biggrin

Support your OWN.....or pay the price. Blacks used 2 own their own Pro-ball clubs and other ventures. How many 2 we OWN now? ZERO.
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Reply #24 posted 04/17/08 2:19pm

Timmy84

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:



Basically. And even though some of their shows were at a high school auditorium, it wouldn't have hurt to show up. lol I know Ron Isley did. biggrin

Support your OWN.....or pay the price. Blacks used 2 own their own Pro-ball clubs and other ventures. How many 2 we OWN now? ZERO.


I'm beginning to think there's a behind-the-scenes reason why the show was canceled: no one came up with the money to put the show at a respective place therefore troubles with the show's actual airings and no one knowing it was on when it'd come on at 4:30 in the morning. It's sad when you think about it.
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Reply #25 posted 04/17/08 2:40pm

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dseann said:

Timmy84 said:



Good point but the main reason I do watch the BET awards is for the legends they have on the show. They always outshine the younger acts. biggrin


There was a year when Gladys Knight was given a lifetime achievement award and she got up there and sang all the newcomers under the stage. You also have a good point.



YEAAAHHH! Gladys turned it out and showed them how to really perform!!
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Reply #26 posted 04/17/08 2:40pm

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Timmy84 said:

Graycap23 said:


Support your OWN.....or pay the price. Blacks used 2 own their own Pro-ball clubs and other ventures. How many 2 we OWN now? ZERO.


I'm beginning to think there's a behind-the-scenes reason why the show was canceled: no one came up with the money to put the show at a respective place therefore troubles with the show's actual airings and no one knowing it was on when it'd come on at 4:30 in the morning. It's sad when you think about it.

No sponsors.....no show.
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Reply #27 posted 04/17/08 2:43pm

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Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:



I'm beginning to think there's a behind-the-scenes reason why the show was canceled: no one came up with the money to put the show at a respective place therefore troubles with the show's actual airings and no one knowing it was on when it'd come on at 4:30 in the morning. It's sad when you think about it.

No sponsers.....no show.


"Soul Train" basically ran out of sponsors.
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Reply #28 posted 04/17/08 3:02pm

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Damn. I remember going to the very 1st Soul Train awards in 1989 and now the shit is done. Then again, it lost a lot of credibility over the years, especially when it gave the Aretha Franklin Lifetime Achievement Award to Ashanti one year. Ridiculous. Then there was the time when Beyonce (I think it was her) was winning awards for the same damn album she won awards for the year before LOL! That's when the shit started to really go downhill. And yeah, the violence that was connected to it as well had something to do with it.
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Reply #29 posted 04/17/08 3:04pm

Timmy84

MuthaFunka said:

Damn. I remember going to the very 1st Soul Train awards in 1989 and now the shit is done. Then again, it lost a lot of credibility over the years, especially when it gave the Aretha Franklin Lifetime Achievement Award to Ashanti one year. Ridiculous. Then there was the time when Beyonce (I think it was her) was winning awards for the same damn album she won awards for the year before LOL! That's when the shit started to really go downhill. And yeah, the violence that was connected to it as well had something to do with it.


Yeah.
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