krayzie said:

Let's say u are correct. It's like comparing a tonka truck to a Ferrari.

Or a Fisher Price keyboard to a professional one.

Graycap23 said:

vainandy said:

true dat. Even Prince did it on Graffiti Bridge "Still Would Stand All Time" before Chester the molester.

vainandy said:

Throw in Tara Kemp & Jane Child to the mix, and that sums up most of the few things about the early 90's dance scene that I miss the most.

purplecam said:

Exactly.

krayzie said:

Besides The Time, Shelia E. & Tevin Campbell had good songs produced by Prince as well.

I 100% agree with you...even though I feel a strong urge to slap myself for agreeing with something like this.

BlaqueKnight said:

R Kelly may have had alot of hits, but that does'nt make a good producer. I have'nt heard much variety in his music, just hip hop/r&b. He only make music to make hits. Prince on the other hand make music just for the sake of making music. He's done many different types. All R kelly seem to be putting out is remixes of stuff he's done so many times before, especially with his up in the club theme. Is that all he's inspired by now?

Graycap23 said:

better yet, comparing a broken up Pinto with 3 tires to a brand new Rolls Royce

fantasticjoy said:

Lots of great producers only do one style of music. Style variety isn't all that important; as a matter of fact, it can be a hindrance because labels don't like artists that are hard to categorize. Prince makes different kinds of music but all of his productions sound like some other artist singing Prince songs. Kelly has songs that I didn't even know he did until later. I didn't like them, but I didn't know he did them. The only song he's produced that I truly like is Maxwell's "Fortunate".

Timmy84 said:

wtf is a "shamon"???

SCNDLS said:

You have listed enough to give my opinion.

R Kelly is a better producer. Sorry. Aaliyah sounds nothing like Maxwell, who sounds nothing like R Kelly's own music.

Prince produces someone, they are just an extentino of Prince's own music direction, instead of taking a talent and maximize the potential, Prince takes a talent and try to mold it into a version of himself.

If you were a talent and needed a producer who would you want? prince or R Kelly. Why don't we ask Jill Jones, Bonnie Boyer, Robin Powers, Tamar Davis, Maxwell, Aaliyah (God rest her soul if we could ask).... Who do you think they would pick. I know who *I* would.

Maybe it's just me, but All of R Kelly music sound very, very similar to me. I can tell when he produced something whether he performed it or someone else does, and I don't really even listen to his music. Aaliyah, Isley Brothers, Charlie Wilson , Maxwell, and etc all sound like R kelly when he produce for them.None of his music seem to have depth. Just booty shaking, bump n grinding, and hanging up in the club.Selling music he may have been good at, but I think it's a joke to consider him a good producer.

fantasticjoy said:

You may not like his sound... but at least R kelly produced songs for these people that are listenable.

some people produced by Prince had an entire album that was like "WTF"?

prodigalfan said:

define "listenable"

fantasticjoy said:

I'm sorry but this is exactly the opposite... R Kelly made a lot of songs for other artists that are not "R kelly" identifiable...

But Prince ? same style for ALL his protégés... Same look, same singing, same procution
...

Remember Love Bizarre ? Mia Boca ? 100 MPH ? Dance Electric ? Sex Shooter ?





Sounds Prince all over these songs...

krayzie said:

What about Eric Leeds? Madhouse? Candy Dulfur?

this is a ridiculous thread R.Kelly is one of the main reasons why today's R&B is in such a sorry state.He's the so-called "king" of this crap!

krayzie said:

Man, i can't even front. I 100% agree with this and have said so (the part about Prince) for at least a decade now. I mean, I respest the work Prince has done with other artists...some of it, at least...but he was never great at it, sans The Time.

BlaqueKnight said:

Again, I can't disagree with this.

Perspective.
Prince as a producer is simply a way 2 get more of his material out.

fantasticjoy said:

Exactly! What the fuck are these fools talking about? All R Kelly's productions sound the same. That Maxwell production is the same as he did for Sparkle. He mixes it up for his artists no more or less than Prince does. If anything, he actually has less variety.

And the reason he has more success with others than Prince did is because he works with people who already had some career momentum before they met him, whereas Prince tended to pluck talentless people like Vanity, Applolonia and that lead singer from Mazarati out of nowhere, sign them to his own label, and completely dominate their image. That shows what an egotist and a control freak he is, but it has nothing to do with how skilled he is when he gets to work in the studio.

The way to judge a producer is to look at the music, not their commercial track record. Here are just three of P's productions. There is more versatility and quality in these than you will get in R's body of work.

Graycap23 said:

How is that any different to R. Kelly?

midnightmover said:

Can't comment on KY Jelly..... he bores me 2 tears.

midnightmover said:

Nope, nope,

Prince worked with Madonna and it was trash... In fact he never managed to make hits with BIG artists as well...

Again, you are confusing the talent of P as a solo artist, and as a producer... As a producer, R Kelly is better... And R Kelly successfully worked with new artists and established artists as well, He's behind Aaliyah... He resurected the Isley Brothers... He made a lot of hits for artists without making them sound like him... This is what a great producer is all about...

midnightmover said:

The way to judge a producer is to see his capacity to make artists shine... Tell me how many artists gained from working with Prince ?...
It seems to me that Prince tries to mold his artists while, R Kelly IMO only tries to make them shine...
It's not a shame to admit that P is not that great when it comes to produce for other artists

krayzie said:

His duet with Madonna was never released as a single so of course it wasn't a hit. Anyone who's heard it will know it was never intended to be a hit. It was a quirky, almost avant garde track, and gives a good indication of how much more versatile he is than Kelly. Kelly has never really stepped out of the norm. His work is always predictably straightforward. If you look at the Martika track I posted above (a Top 10 hit by the way) you can see another example of Prince's greater depth as a writer and producer. R Kelly has never produced anything as sensuous and surreal as that. To get a track like that in the Top 10 is an accomplishment that goes beyond statistics.



Is this a joke? Every track R Kelly produced always sounded like R Kelly. In that sense he is no different to Prince. Where they differed was that R Kelly worked with better singers and he had no involvement in anything other than writing and producing for these artists. Unfortunately Prince was such an egomaniac he would deliberately take weak artists and make them dress like him, perform like him, and turn them into clones. But that is more a criticism of him as an A&R man than as a producer. As an A&R man he sucked. As a producer, he did great work, as the clips I posted above demonstrate.

Now, would you go to Prince if you were looking for a producer to help you find a unique identity? Of course not, but you wouldn't go to R Kelly either, because his productions are just as uniform as Prince's. Even when he produced people like Celine Dion, he gave them the typical R Kelly production. So what it really comes down to is who's sound you think is better, and with all due respect to R, my vote goes to Prince.

midnightmover said:

There really isn't a point to discuss. The whole subject is laughable