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It's crazy how if your talking about the government then your automatically talking about white people and your "racist." She's half white, so I doubt that's the case.
Any normal person, imo, believes atleast one conspiracy theory. It's always more than what you see. I dont know enough on the topic to comment on what she's talking about, but this country can be a trip, so nothing is unbelievable imho. Hopefully Alicia has read enough on her theories and can argue them when asked. Whatever her beliefs are shouldn't erase the good that she's done through-out her career for those in Africa. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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dragondayz said: It's crazy how if your talking about the government then your automatically talking about white people and your "racist." She's half white, so I doubt that's the case.
Any normal person, imo, believes atleast one conspiracy theory. It's always more than what you see. I dont know enough on the topic to comment on what she's talking about, but this country can be a trip, so nothing is unbelievable imho. Hopefully Alicia has read enough on her theories and can argue them when asked. Whatever her beliefs are shouldn't erase the good that she's done through-out her career for those in Africa. Most people ain't saying she is, I'm black and I wouldn't say that, I think she's just plum crazy. If "gangsta rap" was infiltrated for us to kill each other, then why did Pac and BIG choose to go that route then? LOL | |
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dragondayz said: We got a peek at the Alicia Keys cover story from Blender’s May issue, and the lady is full of surprises. Here are some of the things that made us go, “Really?”
· She’s got some, um, theories: ” ‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy [by the government] to convince black people to kill each other.” She adds that Tupac and Biggie were essentially assassinated, their beefs stoked “by the government and the media to stop another great black leader from existing.” . ha, yeah.. Up on Capitol Hill they were wondering what they needed to do with these two and their "war" hahahaha Side note for Alicia: Besides people who listened to their music... no'one gave a fuck. | |
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Timmy84 said: dragondayz said: It's crazy how if your talking about the government then your automatically talking about white people and your "racist." She's half white, so I doubt that's the case.
Any normal person, imo, believes atleast one conspiracy theory. It's always more than what you see. I dont know enough on the topic to comment on what she's talking about, but this country can be a trip, so nothing is unbelievable imho. Hopefully Alicia has read enough on her theories and can argue them when asked. Whatever her beliefs are shouldn't erase the good that she's done through-out her career for those in Africa. Most people ain't saying she is, I'm black and I wouldn't say that, I think she's just plum crazy. If "gangsta rap" was infiltrated for us to kill each other, then why did Pac and BIG choose to go that route then? LOL I don't have a clue. I do know that Tupac was more popular with Death Row than he was when he was making "Brenda's Got A Baby" and "Keep Your Head Up." If you listen to Andre 3000's verse on "Hollywood Divorce" he capture the attention of "that audience" by talking in their language in the beginning of the song, and when he has that attention he flips his verse at the end and drops a bit of advice and knowledge. Sometimes you have to capture that audience that way if you want them to hear you. Tupac was a smart guy and people really idolized him. I'm sure he knew this and he was very vocal with certain issues. He wasn't an idiot at all. Anytime you gave him a chance to talk he TALKED. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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She's out of her mind. Black people were killing people long before gangsta rap.
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Its the "in" thing to do these days when an artist dies young - to make them out to be some sort of marytr. It doesn't matter if the music was good or not. Neither Pac nor Big had enough juice to make intelligent black people follow them on any sort of Black Panther-like crusade, nor were either of them trying. I do believe it was media encouraged because it involved real-life drama and we all know how the press eats that up. They made HUGE profits from helping fuel the flames. It became East Coast vs. West Coast when it was all really Pac vs. Biggie. Now with both of them being dead at fairly young ages, people look to make martyrs out of them as if they actually stood for something. Fuck 'em both. They did nothing for me other than to entertain me on occasion.
I'll reserve my martyring for people who make real moves, not entertainers that cuss each other out and eventually have each other killed. | |
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I'd also like to say that there could be truth to some of these theories. I cried when I saw a special on Cynthia Mckinney and how they literally and illegally plotted to get her voted out of office. They convinced republicans to cross over to democrats and vote for Cynthia's opponenet, and the special also showed how Bush won Florida, which was by a list created in Georgia of every person with a similar name of a Florida felon..well the non-felons were acted as felons and denied their rights to vote.
To say that the government don't plot is way more ridiculous then her statements. Tupac was from a family of Black Panthers. If anyone could have gotten a movement started at the time it was him. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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dragondayz said: We got a peek at the Alicia Keys cover story from Blender’s May issue, and the lady is full of surprises. Here are some of the things that made us go, “Really?”
· She’s got some, um, theories: ” ‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy [by the government] to convince black people to kill each other.” She adds that Tupac and Biggie were essentially assassinated, their beefs stoked “by the government and the media to stop another great black leader from existing.” · One of her new songs might be too hot: “I’m discovering my sexual side. I recorded this song — it’s super-simple — just piano, Rhodes keyboard and a kick drum. It’s so sensual. It moves you.” The story goes on to say that when Keys’ manager heard the track, he said, “We do not record songs like this!” · Her necklace of choice? A gold AK-47 pendant “to symbolize strength, power and killing ‘em dead.” We weren’t the only ones surprised by her taste in jewelry: “She wears what?” her mother asked the music mag. “That doesn’t sound like Alicia.” Head over to Blender’s Web site to read an excerpt from the story before it hits stands next week, and check out some dazzling pics from the magazine’s photo shoot after the jump. If it's true, this is the end of her career ... 
If she seriously believes that white people are going to support her music talking about politics, racism and stuff, she's plain WRONG... She needs to realize that the ONLY reason white folks buy her music is because she never talks about things that piss them off ... Who the hell she thinks she is ? Madonna ? [Edited 4/13/08 16:42pm] | |
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krayzie said: dragondayz said: We got a peek at the Alicia Keys cover story from Blender’s May issue, and the lady is full of surprises. Here are some of the things that made us go, “Really?”
· She’s got some, um, theories: ” ‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy [by the government] to convince black people to kill each other.” She adds that Tupac and Biggie were essentially assassinated, their beefs stoked “by the government and the media to stop another great black leader from existing.” · One of her new songs might be too hot: “I’m discovering my sexual side. I recorded this song — it’s super-simple — just piano, Rhodes keyboard and a kick drum. It’s so sensual. It moves you.” The story goes on to say that when Keys’ manager heard the track, he said, “We do not record songs like this!” · Her necklace of choice? A gold AK-47 pendant “to symbolize strength, power and killing ‘em dead.” We weren’t the only ones surprised by her taste in jewelry: “She wears what?” her mother asked the music mag. “That doesn’t sound like Alicia.” Head over to Blender’s Web site to read an excerpt from the story before it hits stands next week, and check out some dazzling pics from the magazine’s photo shoot after the jump. If it's true, this is the end of her career ...
If she seriously believes that white people are going to support her music talking about politics, racism and stuff, she's plain WRONG... She needs to realize that the ONLY reason white folks buy her music is because she never talks about things that piss off white folks... Who the hell she thinks she is ? Madonna ? I'm sure she knows all of this. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Gangsta rap wasn't invented to bring down the black community; it was made by black people. That was just an "added benefit". [b] Gangsta rap was sensationalism and it came to the forefront because record labels understand sensationalism better than anything and they know how to exploit it for money. That's what its really all about; money. Sell the worst, most violent images and couple that with sex and drugs and what do you get? Lots of people willing to spend their hard-earned money to hear about it. It was a money move. While I have a lot more respect for TuPac than I did for Biggie, neither of these fools were ever going to amount to anything. Pac was an entertainer - nothing more. Biggie was a drug dealer turned rapper. Nothing more. The black community needs to not waste so much time on people like them and focus on giving our attention to real positive black leaders (Barack Obama, anyone?). Alicia should stick to singing and playing and keep her dim-witted "Brooklyn"-yellin' ass mouth shut. She's not smart or articulate enough to argue her beliefs. Drugs was a conspiracy; Pac and Biggie - them niggas got KILLED.
If she wants to work on a conspiracy, she needs to figure out WHO STOLE ALL OF THE SOUL FROM EVERY LAST RECORD SHE'S DONE! Let her contemplate and pontificate on THAT for a little while. [/b] [Edited 4/12/08 14:12pm] Pfff... I hate when folks re write history The matter of fact labels have always been reluctant to sign gangsta rappers until it becomes extremly popular among teens... And Obama is a black leader now ???  | |
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krayzie said: Pfff... I hate when folks re write history The matter of fact labels have always been reluctant to sign gangsta rappers until it becomes extremly popular among teens... And Obama is a black leader now ??? Exactly WHERE did I re-write history? Since I didn't put any dates on this, I'm really interested in hearing how you came to that conclusion. It became "extremely popular among teens" when it got massive exposure from exploitation. Before that, it was only popular among black/latino/"urban" teens. For years and years there were violent rap songs but it wasn't until labels realized there was money to be made in it (also around the same time grunge blew up) Its ALWAYS been a money game, dude. You can say what you want but green powers the music industry first and foremost and that is FACT. These labels don't run on water. Labels didn't put money into gangsta rap until some of the independent labels made money in the game when the bottom dropped out of the industry. It was then when the majors started to exploit and blow up what was "underground" before. That was rap and grunge. Gangsta rap was an easy sell because sex & violence sells before anything else. Little suburban kids couldn't wait to hear what they thought was "the real deal" when most of these stories were bullshit, about people other than the rappers rapping them or just fiction. And like it or not, Barack Obama is a leader...and the last time I checked, he's black. (Perhaps you were looking for h=the name of someone more Huey P. Newton-ish? Dr. Khalid Muhammad, maybe?) I'd back him before I'd back a silly ass negro like "2Pac" who was as unstable as a nut house patient or an ex-drugboy like Biggie who only ever talked about slanging and killing and occasionally fucking. He was clever but who the FUCK in their right mind would listen to him or Pac other than in a song? I mean, really? Come on, man. Neither of those dudes are smart, intelligent, accomplished or wise enough to represent ME as a black man. They weren't leaders, they were entertainers and part of whats wrong with us as a community is that we listen to the people with the most airtime rather than the people with the best direction. Dr. Cornell West may be less popular but he's far more qualified to lead than "Pac" or "B.I.G. P.O.P.P.A. - no info for the D.E.A."  A real leader would be handing fools selling poison to our people over to the D.E.A. in a heartbeat.
Man, don't get me started. Anyway, Alicia needs to shut the hell up. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Gangsta rap wasn't invented to bring down the black community; it was made by black people. That was just an "added benefit". Gangsta rap was sensationalism and it came to the forefront because record labels understand sensationalism better than anything and they know how to exploit it for money. That's what its really all about; money. Sell the worst, most violent images and couple that with sex and drugs and what do you get? Lots of people willing to spend their hard-earned money to hear about it. It was a money move. While I have a lot more respect for TuPac than I did for Biggie, neither of these fools were ever going to amount to anything. Pac was an entertainer - nothing more. Biggie was a drug dealer turned rapper. Nothing more. The black community needs to not waste so much time on people like them and focus on giving our attention to real positive black leaders (Barack Obama, anyone?). [b]Alicia should stick to singing and playing and keep her dim-witted "Brooklyn"-yellin' ass mouth shut. She's not smart or articulate enough to argue her beliefs. Drugs was a conspiracy; Pac and Biggie - them niggas got KILLED.
If she wants to work on a conspiracy, she needs to figure out WHO STOLE ALL OF THE SOUL FROM EVERY LAST RECORD SHE'S DONE! Let her contemplate and pontificate on THAT for a little while. [/b] [Edited 4/12/08 14:12pm] Um, Alcia Keys is from Harlem actually, not Brooklyn. I don't even get what that had to do with anything. Anyway I don't think Alcia Keys is stupid or unintelligent. She may have different or radical views on this matter but someone who graduated high school at age 16 and gets a full scholorship to Columbia University obviously aint stupid. I just disagree with her on this matter because I don't think "Gangsta Rap" was a ploy to to convince black people to kill eachother. I find that to be ridiculous really since "Gangsta Rap" was created by black people. Maybe what she's referring to though is the media and record labels who helped to promote that image and helped to keep rivalries like the whole east coast vs. west coast thing going. I'm glad to see her speaking her mind though. She's usually so bland and boring and always plays it safe. Now if only she can inject some of her "interesting" political views into her music..... [Edited 4/13/08 18:14pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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BlaqueKnight said: Gangsta rap wasn't invented to bring down the black community; it was made by black people. That was just an "added benefit". Gangsta rap was sensationalism and it came to the forefront because record labels understand sensationalism better than anything and they know how to exploit it for money. That's what its really all about; money. Sell the worst, most violent images and couple that with sex and drugs and what do you get? Lots of people willing to spend their hard-earned money to hear about it. It was a money move. While I have a lot more respect for TuPac than I did for Biggie, neither of these fools were ever going to amount to anything. Pac was an entertainer - nothing more. Biggie was a drug dealer turned rapper. Nothing more. The black community needs to not waste so much time on people like them and focus on giving our attention to real positive black leaders (Barack Obama, anyone?). Alicia should stick to singing and playing and keep her dim-witted "Brooklyn"-yellin' ass mouth shut. She's not smart or articulate enough to argue her beliefs. Drugs was a conspiracy; Pac and Biggie - them niggas got KILLED.
If she wants to work on a conspiracy, she needs to figure out WHO STOLE ALL OF THE SOUL FROM EVERY LAST RECORD SHE'S DONE! Let her contemplate and pontificate on THAT for a little while. [Edited 4/12/08 14:12pm] Precisely. It was an “added benefit” -- but “Gangsta Rap”, like it or not -- is as genuine as punk. These conspiracy theories often lend far too much credence to people in positions that for the most part are nowhere near organized or smart enough to pull off. And, of course, some of these morons after the fact don’t mind it terribly so just as long as their neighborhoods don't get caught in the crossfire. So, as you can imagine given such a climate, it’s certainly not going to rate very high in the political will. We’re too occupied spending billions/trillions to fight preventative wars against perceived threats (And, after all, who isn’t? Who couldn’t? Kill’em all, just to be safe!) That's not a conspiracy. That's ignorance. And one of the greatest minds and speakers of the last several decades of politics is alive right now. His name is Barack Obama and he’s a black man. | |
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Scorpion said: dragondayz said: We got a peek at the Alicia Keys cover story from Blender’s May issue, and the lady is full of surprises. Here are some of the things that made us go, “Really?”
· She’s got some, um, theories: ” ‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy [by the government] to convince black people to kill each other.” She adds that Tupac and Biggie were essentially assassinated, their beefs stoked “by the government and the media to stop another great black leader from existing.” · One of her new songs might be too hot: “I’m discovering my sexual side. I recorded this song — it’s super-simple — just piano, Rhodes keyboard and a kick drum. It’s so sensual. It moves you.” The story goes on to say that when Keys’ manager heard the track, he said, “We do not record songs like this!” · Her necklace of choice? A gold AK-47 pendant “to symbolize strength, power and killing ‘em dead.” We weren’t the only ones surprised by her taste in jewelry: “She wears what?” her mother asked the music mag. “That doesn’t sound like Alicia.” Head over to Blender’s Web site to read an excerpt from the story before it hits stands next week, and check out some dazzling pics from the magazine’s photo shoot after the jump.  ditto. i can't stand her music... and now she's talking out of her ass! Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND | |
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I don't consider Alicia unintelligent, just inarticulate when it comes to certain topics. She also seems a little gullible to me. I do agree with Krazie on the fact that the reason that she is where she is has to do with the fact that she is so non-threatening she's almost Disney. There are things you talk to the press about and things you keep amongst your friends. Government-inspired conspiracy theories to kill Tupac and Biggie Smalls falls under the second category.
She yelled "Brooklyn" on stage at an awards show once - that's where that reference came from. She's a good girl as ar as I know and I'd hate to see her career go the way of Lauryn Hill's. Silly sells, crazy doesn't. | |
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2Jay said: Well it sure worked.
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If she's right, then it's a miracle mj is still alive | |
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Sometimes I wish I was crazy.
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BlaqueKnight said: I don't consider Alicia unintelligent, just inarticulate when it comes to certain topics. She also seems a little gullible to me. I do agree with Krazie on the fact that the reason that she is where she is has to do with the fact that she is so non-threatening she's almost Disney. There are things you talk to the press about and things you keep amongst your friends. Government-inspired conspiracy theories to kill Tupac and Biggie Smalls falls under the second category.
She yelled "Brooklyn" on stage at an awards show once - that's where that reference came from. She's a good girl as ar as I know and I'd hate to see her career go the way of Lauryn Hill's. Silly sells, crazy doesn't. Alicia entered with a potty mouth that loved Wu-Tang and Biggie. She's non-threatening, but she still says a little more than your average "pop" artist. I think there are some things she's been wanting to get off her chest for a while now...her special with Ruby Dee kind of hinted towards that. I think she's pretty articulate as well, she's just been extremely careful, until now. http://www.youtube.com/wa...ekvnaIB7ZM Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: Sometimes I wish I was crazy.
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BlaqueKnight said: Gangsta rap wasn't invented to bring down the black community; it was made by black people. That was just an "added benefit". Gangsta rap was sensationalism and it came to the forefront because record labels understand sensationalism better than anything and they know how to exploit it for money. That's what its really all about; money. Sell the worst, most violent images and couple that with sex and drugs and what do you get? Lots of people willing to spend their hard-earned money to hear about it. It was a money move. While I have a lot more respect for TuPac than I did for Biggie, neither of these fools were ever going to amount to anything. Pac was an entertainer - nothing more. Biggie was a drug dealer turned rapper. Nothing more. The black community needs to not waste so much time on people like them and focus on giving our attention to real positive black leaders (Barack Obama, anyone?). Alicia should stick to singing and playing and keep her dim-witted "Brooklyn"-yellin' ass mouth shut. She's not smart or articulate enough to argue her beliefs. Drugs was a conspiracy; Pac and Biggie - them niggas got KILLED.
If she wants to work on a conspiracy, s[b]he needs to figure out WHO STOLE ALL OF THE SOUL FROM EVERY LAST RECORD SHE'S DONE! Let her contemplate and pontificate on THAT for a little while. [/b] [Edited 4/12/08 14:12pm] 
and yet the heffer outsells every other great female r&b singer of the day - jill scott, angie stone, of course badu, sharon jones.....the average music fan likes his/her soul music sooooo watered down I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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· One of her new songs might be too hot: “I’m discovering my sexual side. I recorded this song — it’s super-simple — just piano, Rhodes keyboard and a kick drum. It’s so sensual. It moves you.” The story goes on to say that when Keys’ manager heard the track, he said, “We do not record songs like this!”
Where was this song on her last album? Cause most of what I heard was a big  If you will, so will I | |
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badujunkie said: BlaqueKnight said: Gangsta rap wasn't invented to bring down the black community; it was made by black people. That was just an "added benefit". Gangsta rap was sensationalism and it came to the forefront because record labels understand sensationalism better than anything and they know how to exploit it for money. That's what its really all about; money. Sell the worst, most violent images and couple that with sex and drugs and what do you get? Lots of people willing to spend their hard-earned money to hear about it. It was a money move. While I have a lot more respect for TuPac than I did for Biggie, neither of these fools were ever going to amount to anything. Pac was an entertainer - nothing more. Biggie was a drug dealer turned rapper. Nothing more. The black community needs to not waste so much time on people like them and focus on giving our attention to real positive black leaders (Barack Obama, anyone?). Alicia should stick to singing and playing and keep her dim-witted "Brooklyn"-yellin' ass mouth shut. She's not smart or articulate enough to argue her beliefs. Drugs was a conspiracy; Pac and Biggie - them niggas got KILLED.
If she wants to work on a conspiracy, s[b]he needs to figure out WHO STOLE ALL OF THE SOUL FROM EVERY LAST RECORD SHE'S DONE! Let her contemplate and pontificate on THAT for a little while. [/b] [Edited 4/12/08 14:12pm]
and yet the heffer outsells every other great female r&b singer of the day - jill scott, angie stone, of course badu, sharon jones.....the average music fan likes his/her soul music sooooo watered down All new, or neo soul, is watered down. Nobody's kicking it like Marvin, Nina, Aretha, Stevie and etc. I wouldn't call non of today's music soul music. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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thekidsgirl said: · One of her new songs might be too hot: “I’m discovering my sexual side. I recorded this song — it’s super-simple — just piano, Rhodes keyboard and a kick drum. It’s so sensual. It moves you.” The story goes on to say that when Keys’ manager heard the track, he said, “We do not record songs like this!”
Where was this song on her last album? Cause most of what I heard was a big It wasn't released. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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dragondayz said: thekidsgirl said: Where was this song on her last album? Cause most of what I heard was a big It wasn't released. well as much as I like her, she needs to quit theorizing crap, and work on making more interesting, creative music  If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: dragondayz said: It wasn't released. well as much as I like her, she needs to quit theorizing crap, and work on making more interesting, creative music I get the impression that she's pretty limited on J-Records. The "political" songs that she made and wanted to release didn't make the album. Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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dragondayz said: thekidsgirl said: well as much as I like her, she needs to quit theorizing crap, and work on making more interesting, creative music I get the impression that she's pretty limited on J-Records. The "political" songs that she made and wanted to release didn't make the album. Then its time for a new label! She's go potential to do something special, but keeps settling for average ...I guess its all about whatever sells If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: dragondayz said: I get the impression that she's pretty limited on J-Records. The "political" songs that she made and wanted to release didn't make the album. Then its time for a new label! She's go potential to do something special, but keeps settling for average ...I guess its all about whatever sells I guess I'm in the minority here, because I'm not bothered by her music, but am actually more interested in her activism . I do see the importance of having a powerful machine like the J.Records/Arista/Sony BMG corporation behind you, though. Their reach for marketing and distribution is so comprehensive and extensive, it gives you the opportunity to physically get to nearly every continent on the globe...that sort of exposure, access, and money translates into unlimited opportunity to meet issues that mean something to you head on. It provides opportunity to tackle a whole range of causes that you might not otherwise if you're an indie artist with limited resources. | |
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