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Printablelastdecember said: thesexofit said: I think its quite pleasant and cute. Its pretty teenibopper stuff though, so why slag her off when the song seems more for kids then adults LOL. Got that Michael Jacksonesque beatboxing LOL
Still sounds high school musical though, but I have no idea who her target audience is, and as I said, its cute enough, with the thick synths in the background, always a nice touch after that horrible Pharrel era of skeletol production techniques that sounded too much like ringtones or demo's. Its nice enough. Not bad. [Edited 4/13/08 12:59pm] The funny thing is i remember way back in the mid 80's when Debbie Gibson was breaking in, people thought she was this "mozart" because she wrote and played a keyboard and did all of this from her garage. I think had the Youtube generation existed back then alot of artists would have been ripped apart. Probably LOL. I have no idea about Cassie, but so what if she only sings and cant sing live? Who gives a shit, its pop music and as long as she remains thankful and not become big headed, then Iam fine with her only being a pretty face. I love a couple of Alyssa Milano's albums, and Milli Vanilli. Is it because of their voices or talent or songwriting? No, I just happen to like their productions and songs. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Vanity had her own style. She wasn't the greatest singer but she had an identity. Like Larry Blackmon of Cameo. He may not have had the greatest voice but if somebody imitated him, you would immediately have known who they were trying to copy. Same with Vanity. She's not Whitney Houston but she at least had a sound of her own; an identity.
Cassie has what? A model's face. That's it. Every song I've heard her sing has SUCKED. What's worse, she can't even perform her sucky ass songs live! I mean, gawd-damn! How hard is it to have a wack record that ANYBODY could have done and then fuck that up? You have to really suck to suck on your own song that sucks. 
I don't know how long Fluffy's dumb ass is going to keep accepting blow jobs as collateral for her weak ass releases but I bet pretty soon the only thing that will be official about this girl is the death of her singing career. She's not qualified to be a damn roadie for a singer, much less be allowed the amount of stage time she gets. Wack ass chick.  
That's the thing about Cassie...she can't even "fake" it.There are many female artists who don't have the greatest voices (Ciara comes to mind) but they can still get on a stage and do their thing.They can make you believe they're more talented than they really are.Cassie can't even do that.Her "performances" are flat and un-convincing.She has zero stage presence and zero personality.Vanity wasn't a "real singer" by any means,but she had ALOT of personality and style.Her "nasty girl persona" of 1892/83 inspired countless other female performers.Cassie is just a pretty face with nothing else to go with it. | |
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Cassie is definetly the most useless person in the music industry. She's not even comparable to Rihanna, and I'm no Rihanna fan but she at least has a unique voice and looks and catchy songs. Cassie reminds me a bit of Paris Hilton. She has no personality, nothing remotely interesting about her, just a vacant board. But even Paris has some kind of appeal with her social life. I cannot fathom how she has sold any amount of records or even has any fans. | |
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lastdecember said: All im saying is i find no difference in her "suck ass" vocals live or recorded, different from Rihanna, Christina Milian etc.. and then spread that over to the wack ass rb males who are nothing more than guys that sing badly with their shirts open.
The difference is,those other female artists can actually sing.Are they great singers? Hell no,but at least they can carry a note.They are vocally convincing.Cassie is talentless. As for those R&B males...I'm assuming you're referring to guys like Omarion,Chris Brown,Usher,etc.I'm no fan of these dudes either but again,at least they can actually sing.There's some talent there,even if it's wasted on whack material. Take away Cassie's good looks and what's left?  | |
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hellomoto said: Cassie is definetly the most useless person in the music industry. She's not even comparable to Rihanna, and I'm no Rihanna fan but she at least has a unique voice and looks and catchy songs.
Exactly.I'm not even a big fan of Rihanna,but at least she has some talent.She can carry a tune and she has a cool image.She can get up on a stage and give a convincing performance.It's silly to compare to her an empty shell like Cassie. Cassie reminds me a bit of Paris Hilton. She has no personality, nothing remotely interesting about her, just a vacant broad. But even Paris has some kind of appeal with her social life. I cannot fathom how she has sold any amount of records or even has any fans.
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something else: it's gonna be hilarious when/if Cassie ever goes on tour Her weak,whack ass vocals won't even be heard by most of the audience. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: Wouldnt Vanity be one of them? It is planned as the first single, but its all up in the air right now, she has about 10 songs that have already been leaked out there, so with the album release planned for the summer, a first single is still not officially decided. [Edited 4/12/08 12:04pm] Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie? So are you assuming that Vanity got stage presence, can sing and is not a marketing ploy ??? LMAO |
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krayzie said: BlaqueKnight said: Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie? So are you assuming that Vanity got stage presence, can sing and is not a marketing ploy ??? LMAO That's the same thing i say. I mean she has one hit record with vanity 6, a couple of mediocre albums with motown, and a couple of low budget movies to her credit and she's got stage presence. I love nasty girl however but imo that was basically her claim to fame. Don't laugh at my funk
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krayzie said: BlaqueKnight said: Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie? So are you assuming that Vanity got stage presence, can sing and is not a marketing ploy ??? LMAO You must be about 15-16 years old? Vanity DID have stage presence, had her own sound (learn to comprehend what you read instead of immediately paraphrasing), and I don't see anything that indicates that Vanity was not a marketing ploy. EVERY pretty chick in the music business is a marketing ploy to an extent. Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics and someone who just stands there and talk-sings out of key. | |
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1) She still can't sing
2) The song is crappy 3) She should stick to modeling ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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BlaqueKnight said: krayzie said: So are you assuming that Vanity got stage presence, can sing and is not a marketing ploy ??? LMAO You must be about 15-16 years old? Vanity DID have stage presence, had her own sound (learn to comprehend what you read instead of immediately paraphrasing), and I don't see anything that indicates that Vanity was not a marketing ploy. EVERY pretty chick in the music business is a marketing ploy to an extent. Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics and someone who just stands there and talk-sings out of key. "Assume" ...too funny. I think they forget that there are people here who have actually seen Vanity perform live back in the day and know she had stage presence and charisma even though she wasn't a good singer. Cassie's got nothing ... but looks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: 1) She still can't sing
2) The song is crappy 3) She should stick to modeling LOCK the thread. That's it. Oh, one more: 4) The new song is wack, too.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: krayzie said: So are you assuming that Vanity got stage presence, can sing and is not a marketing ploy ??? LMAO You must be about 15-16 years old? Vanity DID have stage presence We don't have the same definition of "stage presence"... If you think that stage presence means wearing slutty clothes, singing completely off key, and being good looking So I agree with you, she had a LOT of stage presence... BlaqueKnight said: had her own sound (learn to comprehend what you read instead of immediately paraphrasing),
Their own sound ? You mean the Prince sound...
BlaqueKnight said: and I don't see anything that indicates that Vanity was not a marketing ploy. EVERY pretty chick in the music business is a marketing ploy to an extent. Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics and someone who just stands there and talk-sings out of key. Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period He created and controlled the whole Vanity Shit concept, everything from A to Z. Period... I don't know where you get the idea that Vanity developed her own image and lyrics...
End of the story... [Edited 4/14/08 11:44am] |
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PricelessHo said: she's so pretty.
yes,I agree she is very pretty
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krayzie said:[quote] BlaqueKnight said: Their own sound ? You mean the Prince sound...
BlaqueKnight said: and I don't see anything that indicates that Vanity was not a marketing ploy. EVERY pretty chick in the music business is a marketing ploy to an extent. Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics and someone who just stands there and talk-sings out of key. [/b][/color] Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period He created and controlled the whole Vanity Shit concept, everything from A to Z. Period... I don't know where you get the idea that Vanity developed her own image and lyrics...
End of the story... [Edited 4/14/08 11:44am] No one with Prince has an indentity sorry to say for the most part, especially in thoose early days and later one's too. Vanity was Prince in lingerie, with ZERO stage presence, and YES i did see them open for him on occasions. The PRINCE pass is about as tired as the excuse of artists that dance should lypsync. As for the Cassie debate, look no one is saying its good or whatever, but if we are going to seperate the likes of Cthe Ciara's and all the others, than its nothing more than which one would you rather look at, since they are ALL making the same music on the same level. In perspective this is why we have shows like American Idol etc...because you can find what we deem as "talented" now ANYWHERE, the bar has been dropped because its not about music its ablout selling a package. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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krayzie said: Their own sound ? You mean the Prince sound...
Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period Yes. Everyone is a robot in Prince's camp. They have 0 input. Only Prince. He is genius and they are robots. 
At least know what you're talking about before you post. Know SOMETHING about the person. krayzie said: He created and controlled the whole Vanity Shit concept, everything from A to Z. Period...
Obviously the "all roads lead to Prince" brainwashing has affected you. You actually believe that Prince was the only one involved with his protogee projects. Even after she released two albums with the same VOCAL style and lyrical style, you still believe that.
So young and gullible. Thank God Prince wrote all of Jesse Johnson's songs and Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis's productions and... You're embarrassing yourself, really.
krayzie said: I don't know where you get the idea that Vanity developed her own image and lyrics...
I don't know where YOU got that from...oh, wait - maybe its because you half read a post before you respond? If you're going to quote something, at least make it to the end of the sentence, otherwise it is OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore WRONG. You quoted me WRONGLY. I said: "Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics..." If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that Vanity's style of dress changed after the V6 album. She designed her own outfits - which were very 80s weird but they were HERS nonetheless. krayzie said: End of the story...
Are you sure? Did you actually read to the period or are you just assuming again? And Lastdecember, when you finish Vanity still trumps Cassie's lame ass ten times over and there's nothing you can say to debate that. One gets royality checks; the other one is Cassie. | |
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Ok I finally listened to the link, and that is one lame, boring song  If you will, so will I | |
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BlaqueKnight said: krayzie said: Their own sound ? You mean the Prince sound...
Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period Yes. Everyone is a robot in Prince's camp. They have 0 input. Only Prince. He is genius and they are robots.
At least know what you're talking about before you post. Know SOMETHING about the person. I don't know where YOU got that from...oh, wait - maybe its because you half read a post before you respond? If you're going to quote something, at least make it to the end of the sentence, otherwise it is OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore WRONG. You quoted me WRONGLY. I said: "Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics..." If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that Vanity's style of dress changed after the V6 album. She designed her own outfits - which were very 80s weird but they were HERS nonetheless. krayzie said: End of the story...
Are you sure? Did you actually read to the period or are you just assuming again? And Lastdecember, when you finish Vanity still trumps Cassie's lame ass ten times over and there's nothing you can say to debate that. One gets royality checks; the other one is Cassie. Actually there is a Debate and a big one, PRINCE doesnt even get roylaity checks for that stuff done at Paisley park and ANY of that stuff from Vanity 6, its gone, he sold it, thats how he got FREE, bought his way out and sold out his so called protegees. Did everyone assume WB just let him walk away with cash and being the little pouting guy he was? And as for Royality, its like this, if you dont write it doesnt matter how good you sound look what image you have created, how hot your weave is, what trend you start etc... Case in point Rihanna, 5 top 10's million plus albums sold, made less money than Cassie did with her Sean John modeling contract for one clothing line, thats it in perspective. Dont believe it, call up Sean John's NY office and ask for the contract $$ for Cassie Ventura and they'll gladly give you the six figure number. That ladies and gents is where the business is now, accept it. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: Are you sure? Did you actually read to the period or are you just assuming again? And Lastdecember, when you finish Vanity still trumps Cassie's lame ass ten times over and there's nothing you can say to debate that. One gets royality checks; the other one is Cassie. Actually there is a Debate and a big one, PRINCE doesnt even get roylaity checks for that stuff done at Paisley park and ANY of that stuff from Vanity 6, its gone, he sold it, thats how he got FREE, bought his way out and sold out his so called protegees. Did everyone assume WB just let him walk away with cash and being the little pouting guy he was? And as for Royality, its like this, if you dont write it doesnt matter how good you sound look what image you have created, how hot your weave is, what trend you start etc... Case in point Rihanna, 5 top 10's million plus albums sold, made less money than Cassie did with her Sean John modeling contract for one clothing line, thats it in perspective. Dont believe it, call up Sean John's NY office and ask for the contract $$ for Cassie Ventura and they'll gladly give you the six figure number. That ladies and gents is where the business is now, accept it. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. Vanity's two solo albums were on MOTOWN. The Action Jackson soundtrack was on Lorimar (Atlantic Records). Only that Vanity 6 album was on WB. Like I said, one gets royalty checks, the other is Cassie. I know, you're feelin' her new song. Its cool. Nobody's mad about it. I don't even wish her any ill will. I just don't think she has any talent at all beyond looking good. Hey, if I were her I'd milk it for all its worth, too. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: She's not qualified to be a damn roadie for a singer, much less be allowed the amount of stage time she gets.
I could imagine her dropping somebody's custom axe when her heels got caught on some stage cabling. Musically...What hath God wrought? 
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lastdecember said: krayzie said: Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period He created and controlled the whole Vanity Shit concept, everything from A to Z. Period... I don't know where you get the idea that Vanity developed her own image and lyrics...
End of the story... [Edited 4/14/08 11:44am] As for the Cassie debate, look no one is saying its good or whatever, but if we are going to seperate the likes of Cthe Ciara's and all the others, than its nothing more than which one would you rather look at, since they are ALL making the same music on the same level. No, it's not like that at all. Thats what people are trying to point out. She hasnt even got the talent to compare to those girls. She's a thousand times worse then any other 'talentless' act out there. Ciara, Rihanna and all the rest do actually have at least something to get them noticed apart from looks, some kind of appeal, whether it be a unique voice, catchy songs or a good dancing ability or presence or passion, theres that something that each one is slightly good at. Cassie: nothing. She cant sing and like someone else said cant even talk a song. She does little Paris Hilton like 'dance' moves. Her songs are monotonous, and she has absoutely no presence or persona. Yes she could make it as a model, but not even a top one as even they need some kind of flavour. | |
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hellomoto said: lastdecember said: As for the Cassie debate, look no one is saying its good or whatever, but if we are going to seperate the likes of Cthe Ciara's and all the others, than its nothing more than which one would you rather look at, since they are ALL making the same music on the same level. No, it's not like that at all. Thats what people are trying to point out. She hasnt even got the talent to compare to those girls. She's a thousand times worse then any other 'talentless' act out there. Ciara, Rihanna and all the rest do actually have at least something to get them noticed apart from looks, some kind of appeal, whether it be a unique voice, catchy songs or a good dancing ability or presence or passion, theres that something that each one is slightly good at. Cassie: nothing. She cant sing and like someone else said cant even talk a song. She does little Paris Hilton like 'dance' moves. Her songs are monotonous, and she has absoutely no presence or persona. Yes she could make it as a model, but not even a top one as even they need some kind of flavour. Exactly.Lastdecember wants to lump all of these ladies into one box but Cassie clearly doesn't belong.Rihanna,Christina Millian and the others have something to offer.Cassie is just a pretty face.Put all of these ladies on a big tour together,and I guarantee that Cassie will fare the worse.She will get the worst reviews. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: krayzie said: Their own sound ? You mean the Prince sound...
Vanity Shit is a straight and pure creation of Prince... Period Yes. Everyone is a robot in Prince's camp. They have 0 input. Only Prince. He is genius and they are robots.
At least know what you're talking about before you post. Know SOMETHING about the person. More you talk more you are digging you own hole, are you too ignorant to believe that Prince didn't control the entire Vanity project (image, music, clothes, everything ??) ??? You are so delusional that you even believe Vanity has some stage presence ???
The matter of fact, when Vanity left prince, he had no problem to find another girl with the same look, same lack of talent and stage presence and he changed the name to Apollonia... BlaqueKnight said: I don't know where YOU got that from...oh, wait - maybe its because you half read a post before you respond? If you're going to quote something, at least make it to the end of the sentence, otherwise it is OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore WRONG. You quoted me WRONGLY. I said: "Still, there is a big difference between someone who develops their own image beyond where it started and writes their own lyrics..." So you're assuming that Vanity did develop her own image "beyond where it started" ??? HAHAHAHAHA Vanity's career started when she met prince, and her career stopped when she left Prince... If it wasn't for prince, she would have never had a career in the first place... Despite her stage presence
BlaqueKnight said: If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that Vanity's style of dress changed after the V6 album. She designed her own outfits - which were very 80s weird but they were HERS nonetheless. Yeah right, and i'm sure she wrote her own lyrics, compose her songs and even play instruments on her albums... Wow what an amazing girl, don't know why her career did go nowhere after she left Prince... [Edited 4/15/08 9:50am] |
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[quote] lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: Are you serious? You can't even begin to compare Cassie's lame ass to Vanity. Holla at me when that lil' no-singing chick learns how to work a stage. ALL she has is looks. No singing ability, no stage presence. NONE. She shouldn't be on the stage for any other reason that to escort a real singer onto the stage at a damn awards show.. She is a marketing ploy that is coasting off her looks and that "single" is GARBAGE. She has no identity. Who the hell is Cassie? Yeah no kidding but you just described the whole freaking mainstream industry, who the hell isnt a package in the mainstream, are you kidding me, Yeah, the whole mainstream industry for the last 15 years has been a bunch of nothing bullshit. No arguement there. and Vanity was talented? wow can we stop looking at everything through Prince colored glasses, she was an empty shell without him and barely anything with him.
BlaqueKnight is one of the last people on the org that would look at things through Prince colored glasses. He has shit on Prince big time in the past. However, when it comes to comparing someone like Vanity, who we all agree has no musical talent, to someone like Cassie....who I have never heard of, but did search the internet for, and am assuming from what I've read, is one of these current shit hop type artists that never get past midtempo since MTV and BET's "106 & Park" likes her and she is signed to Bad Boy records.....a howling cat on a fence is better than anyone with even the tiniest affilliation to shit hop. You can pretty much put that who is cassie rant on everyone from Rihanna and then go down the freaking line, lets get real already. Im not saying give her props for anything but her looks, but dont start this dreamworld where she is the only one, drop the double standards
No, she's definately not the only one. Basically, practically anyone that came onto the scene in the 1990s and today ain't shit. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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BlaqueKnight said:
Vanity had her own style. She wasn't the greatest singer but she had an identity. Like Larry Blackmon of Cameo. He may not have had the greatest voice but if somebody imitated him, you would immediately have known who they were trying to copy. Same with Vanity. The group Madame X, which came later and actually were talented, were definately influenced by Vanity 6's slutty look and the Prince style behind their music. Bernadette Cooper from Klymaxx was the mastermind behind Madame X's jams and the three girls of the group could actually sing. So yeah, Vanity 6, talented or not, was definately an influence on not just a group to come a few years later, but a good group, and not some weak ass slow group. She's not Whitney Houston but she at least had a sound of her own; an identity.
You got that right. She's the exact opposite of that little goodie two shoes, Mary Poppins wannabe. And at least Vanity had the good sense to get men behind her that could give her some jams instead of some weak ass adult contemporary, crossover bullshit. She started out as Rick James' girlfriend and Prince stole her. Hell, those are the two best of all time right there. She definately had good sense if nothing else. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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krayzie said:
More you talk more you are digging you own hole, are you too ignorant to believe that Prince didn't control the entire Vanity project (image, music, clothes, everything ??) ??? Correction, Prince controlled the whole Vanity 6 project. Vanity had albums of her own and several movies after she left Prince and he had no control of those whatsoever. Vanity's career started when she met prince, and her career stopped when she left Prince...
If it wasn't for prince, she would have never had a career in the first place... Despite her stage presence Rick James was possibly going to give her a career. It's rumored that she might have been one of the Mary Jane Girls. Hell, if Rick heard her voice, he might have given her a little job like shaking tamborines or something.
Anyway, Prince stole her from Rick and Prince used the inside info about Rick starting a girls group to beat him to the punch. Rick was furious about it but he said himself that "Prince could have the bitch because she couldn't sing anyway. She gives him pussy and he gives her a hit record". Regardless, she had the connections and somebody was going to give her a career.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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meh. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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