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PrintableWhile I don't believe at all that a great song needs to sound good on acoustic guitar or piano (that's a bias towards a specific stereotype of the parameters of a "good song". A great song can be an instrumental (many, many great jazz and classical songs) or just lyrics and a drum beat. Anyone remember Shai - "If I ever Fall In Love Again"? That was acappella and was a great song. And with THAT being said, my choice of song for the year would be a song that just happens to fall under the stereotypical classification of a "great song" that sounds good with just vocals and piano. Sara Bareilles - Love Song Construction-wise, that's the best pop song I've heard this year. Favorite? No. Best "pop" song? I'd have to say yes. It contains everything a great song should - a build, a bridge, a change, a catchy chorus, good lyrics and well-composed music. I think its closer to what should be a standard marker when nominating "Song Of The Year".
And, I ain't gonna lie - "Icebox" is undeniable. I don't really like Omarion but that song is damn good - lyrically and musically. (Not "Song Of The Year" great but hey...kids these days, right?) Its just minimalist in the R&B sense. | |
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^ im not closed minded enough to think there's only one certain way to write a song...
Im just not an R&B/Hip Hop fan in the least bit so im bustin his balls a bit!  | |
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prettymansson said: ^ im not closed minded enough to think there's only one certain way to write a song...
Im just not an R&B/Hip Hop fan in the least bit so im bustin his balls a bit! I know you were. Kinda like I just did.  | |
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Generally speaking though, all decade ASCAP has been rewarding the most popular songs. The big "industry" hits. | |
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Let me get back to Ice Box for a minute:
Lyrically, I think Ice Box is great. Where it falls off a bit in my opinion is musically. Its way too repetitious and musically, it doesn't back up the lyrics in dynamics as well as it should. Considering the restraints of contemporary R&B music, I understand why it is what it is - I just think that its "greatness" is being held back for marketing purposes. Lyrically, this song shines, though. Brilliantly simplistic! In a society where we as men are often taught from birth to NOT express our feelings because its a sign of weakness, this song captures those feelings perfectly in its expression. Its about a guy with a good girlfriend who is losing his relationship because he can't communicate with her because he's afraid that if he does, he'll be hurt like he was by his ex. He's shut himself off from his feelings out of fear even though he wants to work things out with her. Its a classic case of a man being jaded but because men are told to "bury it" or "walk it off" when it comes to our feelings, he doesn't really know how to; all he knows is that he wants to but has shut off his feelings as a defense mechanism. The concept and delivery are great. The music is meh. Musiq Soulchild touched on this same subject but did it right. "Teach Me" is basically about the same type of man but he's asking his woman to help him express himself, whereas in "Ice Box", Omarion doesn't trust his woman enough to talk to her, so his conflict is internal. Musically, "Teachme" backs up the lyrics in dynamics and complexities as well as subtleties. Without the lyrics, the music is great. Without the music the lyrics are great. Its a great song as opposed to just good. HOWEVER, I'm sure "Ice Box" sold a lot more copies than "Teachme", therefore you see where marketing and the simplification of music for packaging purposes comes into play for financial gains. | |
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Damn, that's exactly why I love the lyrics. It is more man vs. himself | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Let me get back to Ice Box for a minute:
Lyrically, I think Ice Box is great. Where it falls off a bit in my opinion is musically. Its way too repetitious and musically, it doesn't back up the lyrics in dynamics as well as it should. Considering the restraints of contemporary R&B music, I understand why it is what it is - I just think that its "greatness" is being held back for marketing purposes. Lyrically, this song shines, though. Brilliantly simplistic! In a society where we as men are often taught from birth to NOT express our feelings because its a sign of weakness, this song captures those feelings perfectly in its expression. Its about a guy with a good girlfriend who is losing his relationship because he can't communicate with her because he's afraid that if he does, he'll be hurt like he was by his ex. He's shut himself off from his feelings out of fear even though he wants to work things out with her. Its a classic case of a man being jaded but because men are told to "bury it" or "walk it off" when it comes to our feelings, he doesn't really know how to; all he knows is that he wants to but has shut off his feelings as a defense mechanism. The concept and delivery are great. The music is meh. Musiq Soulchild touched on this same subject but did it right. "Teach Me" is basically about the same type of man but he's asking his woman to help him express himself, whereas in "Ice Box", Omarion doesn't trust his woman enough to talk to her, so his conflict is internal. Musically, "Teachme" backs up the lyrics in dynamics and complexities as well as subtleties. Without the lyrics, the music is great. Without the music the lyrics are great. Its a great song as opposed to just good. HOWEVER, I'm sure "Ice Box" sold a lot more copies than "Teachme", therefore you see where marketing and the simplification of music for packaging purposes comes into play for financial gains. 'Fussin' and fightin', we back at it again I know that, its my fault, you don't understand (no) I got memories(huh), this is crazy(huh) You ain't nothing like the girl I used to know Good with ma, good with pop, cool with all my niggas(niggas) I should try to preside, wanna let u in, but no Damn these memories, and its crazy You ain't nothing like the girl I used to know [Bridge] Girl I really wanna work this out, cause I'm tired of fightin' And I really hope you still want me the way I want you I said I really wanna work this out, damn girl I'm tryin' There's no excuse, no excuse But I got this [Chorus 2x] I got this icebox where my heart used to be (but I got this) I got this icebox where my heart used to be (said I got this) I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold Why cant I get it right, just cant let it go I opened up, she let me down, I wont feel that no more I got memories, this is crazy She ain't nothing like the girl I used to know I don't mean to take it out on you baby but I cant help it Cause my heart is in the same ol' condition that baby left it And I, I apologize, for makin' you cry Look me in my eye and promise you won't do me the same [ Ice Box song text brought to you by LyricsYouLove ] [Bridge] Girl I really wanna work this out, cause I'm tired of fightin' And I really hope you still want me the way I want you I said I really wanna work this out, damn girl I'm tryin' Its no excuse, no excuse But I got this [Chorus 2x] I got this icebox where my heart used to be (but I got this) I got this icebox where my heart used to be (said I got this) I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold I don't wanna be stuck up in this cold cold world Don't wanna mess this up better keep your eye on me girl [3x] [Bridge] Girl I really wanna work this out, cause I'm tired of fightin' And I really hope you still want me the way I want you I said I really wanna work this out, damn girl I'm tryin' Its no excuse, no excuse But I got this [Chorus 2x] I got this icebox where my heart used to be (but I got this) I got this icebox where my heart used to be (said I got this) I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold I'm so cold, I'm so cold, I'm so cold' | |
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Another impressive thing about the lyrics to "Ice Box" is that in the beginning, you think its the girl that is changing but by the end of the song, you realize that he is the one who is being reactive to behavior that he saw in his last girlfriend and even though he realizes its pattern behavior, he doesn't know how to stop repeating it. Its actually him who's causing the friction with his current girlfriend. Shiiieeeetttt! That boy's good! | |
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banks said: BlaqueKnight said: Actually is NOT all of his hard work that adding up to you hating what's on the radio. You are simply doing what most people are conditioned to do - blame the artist. Its the EXPLOITATION of his work by corporations that makes you hate what's on the radio. Artists do what they do - they create. Timb would be doing what he's doing if he were doing it in a bar on a Friday night. Labels blow these producers up to "bigger than life" status. Its the corporatization of the music business that makes them play the same 20 songs over and over all day so they can run ads for you to buy stuff that makes you hate the songs you hear. If not for them, you wouldn't hear Timbaland as much as you do unless you played him at home yourself. Its the same reason that you don't hear a huge variety of good songs anymore. Its not Timb or any other artist's fault for doing what they do. Blame those who exploit them. Every artist want to be hard by as many people as possible; some actually get to do it.  Yup cuz we all know if Justin's My Love and Say It Right and Ice Box were nothing but Youtube compositions with no airplay it would be HUUUGE Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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prettymansson said: Funny..I hear lots of beats..But Rarely an actual song that would Hold Up and still have some substance if played on an acoustic guitar..or a piano..
Maybe Im missing something..?  You ain't missing a note my friend... melody does not exist in popular music. It's line, hook, and sample.... beats beat clever chord structure nowadays Nothing tangible that could move you if they showed up and sang it to you on their dying day. Music is the best... | |
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aalloca said: prettymansson said: Funny..I hear lots of beats..But Rarely an actual song that would Hold Up and still have some substance if played on an acoustic guitar..or a piano..
Maybe Im missing something..? You ain't missing a note my friend... melody does not exist in popular music. It's line, hook, and sample.... beats beat clever chord structure nowadays Nothing tangible that could move you if they showed up and sang it to you on their dying day. Wow you really have a flair for that. Are you a "hell fire" reverend on Sundays? | |
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"You young whippersnappers don't no nothin' abut no gall-dang music! Back in my day, all you needed was a harmonica, a set of spoons and yer choppers to make a good song, not all these fancy dohickies and thingamajigs!" Your music is all garbage! Garbage, I say! Enough of this! I'm going to take a nap!" | |
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Cinnie said: aalloca said: You ain't missing a note my friend... melody does not exist in popular music. It's line, hook, and sample.... beats beat clever chord structure nowadays Nothing tangible that could move you if they showed up and sang it to you on their dying day. Wow you really have a flair for that. Are you a "hell fire" reverend on Sundays? Lol... You wouldn't believe me, but I am only 31 yrs old. And yes when it comes to new r&b and hip hop, it has nothing on the great late 60's and 70's output from Stevie, Marvin, P funk, etc. Where there was a message and a great melody line. Music is the best... | |
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 BlaqueKnight said: prettymansson said: ^ im not closed minded enough to think there's only one certain way to write a song...
Im just not an R&B/Hip Hop fan in the least bit so im bustin his balls a bit! I know you were. Kinda like I just did. | |
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For the record I actually like some of Timbaland's projects.
I don't like that he stole one of his beats for sure, and others rumoured. Good Beats doesn't equal good song for me. And for those who think so-so rnb/hip-hop artist of today is so fng talented. Take the Pepsi challenge and listen to those classic albums and you tell me with a straight face that they are on par to the lyrics, melody, instrumentation, and sound structure, background vocals, etc. It's like telling me Jimi Hendrix is equal to today's youtube guitar hero champion. One created art with analog parts, one is good at electronic manipulation of sounds. Problem is consumers don't care anymore about artist/song integrity and quality. I will give you one album that I think is up to par with the classics -Andre 3000 The Love below. Music is the best... | |
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Disgusting. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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Big deal. I name my turds before I flush 'em, too. | |
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BlaqueKnight said:
"You young whippersnappers don't no nothin' abut no gall-dang music! Back in my day, all you needed was a harmonica, a set of spoons and yer choppers to make a good song, not all these fancy dohickies and thingamajigs!" Your music is all garbage! Garbage, I say! Enough of this! I'm going to take a nap!" | |
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Empress said: Well, what do you expect??
People buy this shit music left, right and center. Look at all the people on this site alone who buy this type of music everyday and then come here and tell us how great it is. Look at the new Madonna song with JT. It's pure shit, but some people think it's the second coming of christ. I'm sure it will win tons of awards next year too. Some people just don't know what really good music is. I realize that it can be subjective, but it's clear to me that most (not all) of the music over the past 5 years is garbage - here today, gone tomorrow.  Yup. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: abigail05 said: doesn't mean I have to respect him. All his hard work and ambition is adding up to me hating what's on the radio. And I'm not okay with that.  Actually is NOT all of his hard work that adding up to you hating what's on the radio. You are simply doing what most people are conditioned to do - blame the artist. Its the EXPLOITATION of his work by corporations that makes you hate what's on the radio. Artists do what they do - they create. Timb would be doing what he's doing if he were doing it in a bar on a Friday night. Labels blow these producers up to "bigger than life" status. Its the corporatization of the music business that makes them play the same 20 songs over and over all day so they can run ads for you to buy stuff that makes you hate the songs you hear. If not for them, you wouldn't hear Timbaland as much as you do unless you played him at home yourself. Its the same reason that you don't hear a huge variety of good songs anymore. Its not Timb or any other artist's fault for doing what they do. Blame those who exploit them. Every artist want to be hard by as many people as possible; some actually get to do it. fair enough, timb is just doing what he does and is fortunate enough to have a brainless, paying audience to eat all that shit up. It's the corporations and the mindless consumption that I hate. It's the Gene Simmons mentality that I hate - making money is more important than the music. | |
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AlexdeParis said: abigail05 said: doesn't mean I have to respect him. All his hard work and ambition is adding up to me hating what's on the radio. And I'm not okay with that. You still listen to the radio? His stuff is better than 99% of the stuff on the radio IMO. I listen to TONS of radio every single day - but pretty much only oldies stations now. I'm patiently waiting for Top 40 to get all the "beats only" bullshit out of its system.... | |
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WHAT
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Dance said: WHAT
THE FUCK Yeah, you're surprised, I'm a MEMBER of ASCAP.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said:
"You young whippersnappers don't no nothin' abut no gall-dang music! Back in my day, all you needed was a harmonica, a set of spoons and yer choppers to make a good song, not all these fancy dohickies and thingamajigs!" Your music is all garbage! Garbage, I say! Enough of this! I'm going to take a nap!"
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BlaqueKnight said:
"You young whippersnappers don't no nothin' abut no gall-dang music! Back in my day, all you needed was a harmonica, a set of spoons and yer choppers to make a good song, not all these fancy dohickies and thingamajigs!" Your music is all garbage! Garbage, I say! Enough of this! I'm going to take a nap!" Nice..... | |
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Timbaland... 
That useless cunt should just go and stab himself and be done with it It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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BlaqueKnight said: Sara Bareilles - Love Song Construction-wise, that's the best pop song I've heard this year. Favorite? No. Best "pop" song? I'd have to say yes. It contains everything a great song should - a build, a bridge, a change, a catchy chorus, good lyrics and well-composed music. I think its closer to what should be a standard marker when nominating "Song Of The Year".
Wow. The Sara Bareilles song is good--reminds me of the good stuff you'd hear from Carole King and Carly Simon back in the day. [Edited 4/14/08 7:10am] [Edited 4/14/08 7:10am] | |
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ASCAP... American Society of Authors, Composers and Publishers... giving an award to a plagiarist... Aren't they supposed to care about composer's rights? Glad I'm not a member. [Edited 4/14/08 7:29am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Let me get back to Ice Box for a minute:
Lyrically, I think Ice Box is great. Where it falls off a bit in my opinion is musically. Its way too repetitious and musically, it doesn't back up the lyrics in dynamics as well as it should. Considering the restraints of contemporary R&B music, I understand why it is what it is - I just think that its "greatness" is being held back for marketing purposes. Lyrically, this song shines, though. Brilliantly simplistic! In a society where we as men are often taught from birth to NOT express our feelings because its a sign of weakness, this song captures those feelings perfectly in its expression. Its about a guy with a good girlfriend who is losing his relationship because he can't communicate with her because he's afraid that if he does, he'll be hurt like he was by his ex. He's shut himself off from his feelings out of fear even though he wants to work things out with her. Its a classic case of a man being jaded but because men are told to "bury it" or "walk it off" when it comes to our feelings, he doesn't really know how to; all he knows is that he wants to but has shut off his feelings as a defense mechanism. The concept and delivery are great. The music is meh. Musiq Soulchild touched on this same subject but did it right. "Teach Me" is basically about the same type of man but he's asking his woman to help him express himself, whereas in "Ice Box", Omarion doesn't trust his woman enough to talk to her, so his conflict is internal. Musically, "Teachme" backs up the lyrics in dynamics and complexities as well as subtleties. Without the lyrics, the music is great. Without the music the lyrics are great. Its a great song as opposed to just good. HOWEVER, I'm sure "Ice Box" sold a lot more copies than "Teachme", therefore you see where marketing and the simplification of music for packaging purposes comes into play for financial gains. Spot on! | |
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