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TonyVanDam

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Recording Industry vs The People: 'RIAA is an Ugly and Cruel Bully'

Ray Beckerman of gives an interview in which he talks about the RIAA's bullying tactics, its future, and how he came to be involved in standing up to them in the first place.

http://www.zeropaid.com/n...l+Bully%27

Ray Beckerman is an attorney in New York City, a partner in the firm of Vandenberg & Feliu, LLP. He is noted for his analysis and commentary on the RIAA's campaign, commenced in 2003, of copyright infringement lawsuits against people accused of illegal file-sharing. Beckerman has also represented a number of the accused as legal counsel over the years.

He is also a member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Information Technology Law Committee of the Association of the Bar of the City of New York.

He recently gave an interview with Simon Barrett of the Blogger News Network in which he spoke out on a number of issues like the RIAA's tactics and how it's trying to "monopolize digital music."


THE INTERVIEW

SB: Ray, I did a Google search on you, and there are over 34,000 references. You are without doubt the biggest pain in the butt to the RIAA. How did you get involved in this debacle?

RB: In late 2004 or early 2005 I learned of these lawsuits from the EFF. I thought to myself “I’m a litigator, I’m a copyright lawyer, and I hate bullies. So maybe I can help some of these folks.”

Then in Summer or Spring 2005 I got my first client who wanted to fight back. It occurred to me that one of the RIAA’s strategic advantages was information. It had one law firm controlling all 25,000 cases, and knew what was going on in each one. A defendant’s lawyer, on the other hand, had no information at all except what the RIAA wanted us to know. I didn’t know what was going on in other cases, or, indeed, if there were any other cases where defendants were fighting back. So decided to set up the blog as a place to collect information.

SB: The RIAA seems to think that suing their own customers is a good idea. I can not think of another industry that has played this game and won. Are they just a school yard bully?

RB: Yes. The ugliest and cruelest school yard bully I have ever encountered, and I have seen some bad ones.

SB: Does the RIAA understand the concept of freedom of choice?

RB: The people running this lawsuit are not exactly human. They understand nothing. They are like the bad robots in RoboCop.

SB: Some might say that the bully-boy tactics actually encourage people to “rebel” and go for illegal downloads? I guess the analogy here would be being told by your mom not to touch something, and of course you, as the 5 year old are now galvanized into action!

RB: I don’t agree with that, but the bully-boy tactics have created a whole new class of consumer — people who seek out independent music not tainted by the ghouls and freaks running the Big 4.

SB: The RIAA make the argument that music piracy is killing the music industry, and they can back that claim up with statistics. My view is somewhat different. If you like something, you will buy it. Is music piracy the reason that sales are flat?

RB: I think their sales are declining because the companies are being run by morons who have been hypnotized by some unscrupulous lawyers, who have never had any imagination as to how to sell music on the internet, and who are bringing lawsuits — and trying to blame others — strictly to cover up their failure to capitalize on one of the greatest money making opportunities ever.

SB: Why do they actively attempt to blur the line before legal downloads approved by bands/put up by bands and those that are merely thieving?

RB: I’m sorry, don’t understand the question. Their goal is to try to monopolize digital music. They will say and do anything to try to make that happen.

Why do they do it? Because these robots don’t understand competition. They do everything as a collusive pack of 4.

SB: What do you see the RIAA doing in future as they become even more desperate?

RB: Chapter 11.

SB: I realize that you can not discuss cases that you are involved in, but maybe you could share some general thoughts about the way you see this issue moving. There are noises about taxing internet access, as a way of recompensing the music industry. This idea, at least in my mind, is about as sensible as invading Iceland. What are your thoughts?

RB: The courts are starting to reject the RIAA’s stupid theories and starting to get irked at its lawyers’ frivolous behavior, and more lawyers and defendants are choosing to fight back, and are doing so in a better informed way. So the cost of pushing this madness forward is increasing.

Meanwhile, the shareholders can’t be happy to see the value of their stock declining so drastically, so I would imagine they’ll eventually wake up and stop the madness, even before the Courts — which move slowly — get around to it.

SB: There are not many lawyers that can talk the talk, and walk the walk, when it comes to the computer world. Yet you talk happily about IP addresses, wireless routers, DHCP, and even the basic structure of the Internet. Was this a huge learning curve?

RB: Yes of course I have had to learn a lot about the technology to keep up with the RIAA’s lies. If the RIAA’s lawyers weren’t professional liars, I might not have had to learn so much.

SB: Recording Industry v The People has been a very successful and useful site. But it must take an enormous amount of time and effort to keep it up to date. How many folks work on it?

One.
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Reply #1 posted 04/14/08 8:24am

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TonyVanDam said:



RB: I think their sales are declining because the companies are being run by morons who have been hypnotized by some unscrupulous lawyers, who have never had any imagination as to how to sell music on the internet, and who are bringing lawsuits — and trying to blame others — strictly to cover up their failure to capitalize on one of the greatest money making opportunities ever.



And there it is in a nutshell.
Good post, TonyVanDam. That was a good article.
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Reply #2 posted 04/14/08 8:25am

Timmy84

clapping I love it. Stand up for your rights! nod
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Reply #3 posted 04/14/08 8:34am

vainandy

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Give the bastards hell.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #4 posted 04/14/08 9:06am

TonyVanDam

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BlaqueKnight said:

TonyVanDam said:



RB: I think their sales are declining because the companies are being run by morons who have been hypnotized by some unscrupulous lawyers, who have never had any imagination as to how to sell music on the internet, and who are bringing lawsuits — and trying to blame others — strictly to cover up their failure to capitalize on one of the greatest money making opportunities ever.



And there it is in a nutshell.
Good post, TonyVanDam. That was a good article.


nod THIS was my favorite part of the interview:


SB: What do you see the RIAA doing in future as they become even more desperate?

RB: Chapter 11.
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Reply #5 posted 04/14/08 9:15am

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TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:




And there it is in a nutshell.
Good post, TonyVanDam. That was a good article.


nod THIS was my favorite part of the interview:


SB: What do you see the RIAA doing in future as they become even more desperate?

RB: Chapter 11.


Mine, too! I LITERALLY laughed out loud at that part.
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Reply #6 posted 04/14/08 12:48pm

Slave2daGroove

So what if every industry worked together for price fixing, what would that be called? Oh yeah, violating anti-trust laws, a federal crime.

They're going after people while actively and historically breaking federal laws. whofarted


SB: Why do they actively attempt to blur the line before legal downloads approved by bands/put up by bands and those that are merely thieving?

RB: I’m sorry, don’t understand the question. Their goal is to try to monopolize digital music. They will say and do anything to try to make that happen.

Why do they do it? Because these robots don’t understand competition. They do everything as a collusive pack of 4.
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Reply #7 posted 04/14/08 12:56pm

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I for one ended up having to pay almost 4 grand to settle because of this- they picked my screen name randomly and sued me-

i'm still extremely pissed off- it ruined my life at the time
LOVE HARD.
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Reply #8 posted 04/14/08 3:38pm

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Evvy said:

I for one ended up having to pay almost 4 grand to settle because of this- they picked my screen name randomly and sued me-

i'm still extremely pissed off- it ruined my life at the time


That's horrible. After that, I'd kick the downloading into the highest gear and never pay for another movie, piece of software or song again until I had recouped my 4K. Sorry, artists - blame the RIAA.
Its done in such a way that you can't get pinched nearly as easily any more. Its just people using those old methods of getting stuff that still suffer the wrath.
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Reply #9 posted 04/14/08 3:45pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

Evvy said:

I for one ended up having to pay almost 4 grand to settle because of this- they picked my screen name randomly and sued me-

i'm still extremely pissed off- it ruined my life at the time


That's horrible. After that, I'd kick the downloading into the highest gear and never pay for another movie, piece of software or song again until I had recouped my 4K. Sorry, artists - blame the RIAA.
Its done in such a way that you can't get pinched nearly as easily any more. Its just people using those old methods of getting stuff that still suffer the wrath.


they told me to destroy everything that I downloaded after the settlement was paid.
-yeah right- if I could- i'd sell it all over and over again
LOVE HARD.
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