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Reply #30 posted 04/11/08 7:02am

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SoulAlive said:

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I don't get these artists? If you are not gonna allow your stuff on youtube, why not profit from it and start a youtube-like site of your own?? confused


Exactly.I think many of the older artists simply do not "get" the Internet.They don't know how to use it to their full advantage.This is certainly the case with Prince.

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They get it they just want to be compensated.
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Reply #31 posted 04/11/08 7:04am

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:



Exactly.I think many of the older artists simply do not "get" the Internet.They don't know how to use it to their full advantage.This is certainly the case with Prince.

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They get it they just want to be compensated.


No,they're just greedy and out of touch with reality.
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Reply #32 posted 04/11/08 7:09am

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SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:


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They get it they just want to be compensated.


No,they're just greedy and out of touch with reality.

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Then I guess the whole industry is greedy. Artist are paid when their music or image is used in movies, t.v and radio. Why would they not expect YOUTUBE to pay fee to play videos and hear music.
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Reply #33 posted 04/11/08 7:10am

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SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:


"It might interest them to go out and buy some of his old albums."

But it has not. P saw a boost in sales when he was out on the Musicology tour.
Young people today are not running out and buying CD. They are downloading illegally or listening to music on YOUTUBE or some of the other sites. It is not helping sales.


You cannot sit here and say that people don't go out and buy music that they saw on Youtube.You cannot say they don't go out and buy concert tickets after seeing live footage on Youtube.There is a reason why many artists (Madonna,Michael Jackson,etc) have their own official YouTube channels.They know that this is the best way to promote and expose their music.As usual,Prince is missing a golden opportunity.

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“You cannot sit here and say that people don't go out and buy music that they saw on Youtube.You cannot say they don't go out and buy concert tickets after seeing live footage on Youtube.There is a reason why many artists (Madonna,Michael Jackson,etc) have their own official YouTube channels.They know that this is the best way to promote and expose their music.As usual,Prince is missing a golden opportunity.”

I can say it and the sales figures back up what I am saying. P saw a boost in sales during the Musicology tour. Due to the personal appearances and promotion he did for the tour. Not because of YOUTUBE. YOUTUBE is good for new artist or the unsigned it is not going to do much for Prince, Rolling Stones or Maddonna at this point in their carreers.

In addition, if you look some of the channels on YOUTUBE have been set up by the record/publishing companies in the hopes that people will go out and buy some CD.

Please see the link below concerning declining sales of CD’s. Which has been going on since 2000.
Youtube has not improved the situation.

Here is a bit of the article that should open your eyes.


http://www.rollingstone.c...ys_decline

In 2000, U.S. consumers bought 785.1 million albums; last year, they bought 588.2 million (a figure that includes both CDs and downloaded albums), according to Nielsen SoundScan. In 2000, the ten top-selling albums in the U.S. sold a combined 60 million copies; in 2006, the top ten sold just 25 million. Digital sales are growing -- fans bought 582 million digital singles last year, up sixty-five percent from 2005, and purchased $600 million worth of ringtones -- but the new revenue sources aren't making up for the shortfall.
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Reply #34 posted 04/11/08 7:28am

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That's the good thing about America, you have the right to be a bitch if you want to be one. If Prince ever stopped being a low down bitch, I would become bored with him. Hell, that's one of the things that attracted me to him to begin with and I've admired it all these years.

However, lately he's being a crazy bitch. Hell, release those videos and make some money off of them. Then go after youtube like a ruthless bitch. lol
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Reply #35 posted 04/11/08 7:42am

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That's the good thing about America, you have the right to be a bitch if you want to be one. If Prince ever stopped being a low down bitch, I would become bored with him. Hell, that's one of the things that attracted me to him to begin with and I've admired it all these years.

However, lately he's being a crazy bitch. Hell, release those videos and make some money off of them. Then go after youtube like a ruthless bitch. lol

You are so crazy vainandy. lol

I hate that Prince and others won't use youtube to their advantage. I understand where they are coming from in wanting to make money off of these videos & yeah something should go to all of them but to me, it's the principle. So what if these videos don't increase CD sales or move anymore concert tickets? We as fans should be able to go to any video site and be able to see a video that we enjoy from our favorite artist(s) at any given time. If there is a TV performance that these artists have done on award shows or tv specials, we should be able to see them on these sites. Seeing them reminds the fans why they are fans to begin with, it can help give them new fans or give non-fans newfound respect for these artists. It's just mind-boggling that these artists involved in all of this stuff can't get past their pride and greed to see this. It's not a good look for any ot them.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #36 posted 04/11/08 7:52am

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vainandy said:

That's the good thing about America, you have the right to be a bitch if you want to be one. If Prince ever stopped being a low down bitch, I would become bored with him. Hell, that's one of the things that attracted me to him to begin with and I've admired it all these years.

However, lately he's being a crazy bitch. Hell, release those videos and make some money off of them. Then go after youtube like a ruthless bitch. lol

You are so crazy vainandy. lol

I hate that Prince and others won't use youtube to their advantage. I understand where they are coming from in wanting to make money off of these videos & yeah something should go to all of them but to me, it's the principle. So what if these videos don't increase CD sales or move anymore concert tickets? We as fans should be able to go to any video site and be able to see a video that we enjoy from our favorite artist(s) at any given time. If there is a TV performance that these artists have done on award shows or tv specials, we should be able to see them on these sites. Seeing them reminds the fans why they are fans to begin with, it can help give them new fans or give non-fans newfound respect for these artists. It's just mind-boggling that these artists involved in all of this stuff can't get past their pride and greed to see this. It's not a good look for any ot them.


I don't think it's greed when it comes to Prince because, if it was, he would release a lot of his stuff for sale. With Prince, it's just craziness. He's become so-called religious and wants to erase his evil heathenous past. lol
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Reply #37 posted 04/13/08 2:25am

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Riverpoet31 said:

In the last days i have discovered that not only Prince, but also another 'musical hero' of mine, Van Morrison, seemed to have give orders to remove all of his material from sites likes Youtube and Videogoogle.

About a year ago there was a tonload of great material from Van Morrison to be found on Youtube, especially several great live-performances i wouldn't otherwise have seen and enjoyed in my life. But next to that, also most of his 'regular' musicvideo's have dissapeared from those sites.

I REALLY don't get the point of such actions. I mean, as an artist, an musician, you should be proud that people put so much splendid material on the net, and let others share that joy with you. Isn't it?
Next to that sites like Youtube give younger people, who havent really got the opportunity to 'know' your music, possibilities to get in touch with your muse.

The sad thing is, the removal of all of those splendid material (especially the live performances) from two of my favourite musicians, kills the promotion of their music among younger people.
It only makes them think in plattitudes about those artists: Van as some grumpy old man, a fossil from the sixties who once sang 'Brown Eyed Girl', and Prince as some weird, half man-half female, singing with a high voice, some hitmaker from the eighties.

Luckily, the nr. 3 of my musical favourites, REM, seem to keep a very democratic and open view when it comes to their material being showed on sites like Youtube and Video-google.

Nonetheless, the way Prince and Van Morrison are dealing with copyright issues, and the availability of their material on te net, seems very contraproductive for me, careerkilling even.

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It is about roylaties. If people are listening to music or viewing it for free. How is the artist going to make money.


Roylaties? You might mean "royalties," but even so, you're still wrong. It's about increased exposure to their work. It's about discovering new music. Both Prince & Van Morrison are notorious control freaks. They're not being paid when their songs are played on Internet radio shows either. Should the entire Internet be shut down because Prince is is an asshole?

In actuality,
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Reply #38 posted 04/13/08 2:27am

viewaskew

laurarichardson said:

Paris9748430 said:




If people your age don't care about the Rollling Stones because their music isn't on youtube, then they're morons!!! Especially since their music is heard everywhere else.

It's not like they're this up & coming band that depends on the Internet to build their fan base.

Artists like The Stones, Van Morrison, and Prince aren't gonna suddenly have people not show up to their concerts because they don't have a video up on Youtube!!!

-----At this time there is no proof that YOUTUBE is helping artist sell records or putting butts in concert seats.
[Edited 4/9/08 1:03am]


There's no proof that it's not. However, they are able to see their work, which may generate enough interest in it to buy an album or see a show. Close enough to proof.
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Reply #39 posted 04/13/08 2:28am

viewaskew

SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:


"It might interest them to go out and buy some of his old albums."

But it has not. P saw a boost in sales when he was out on the Musicology tour.
Young people today are not running out and buying CD. They are downloading illegally or listening to music on YOUTUBE or some of the other sites. It is not helping sales.


You cannot sit here and say that people don't go out and buy music that they saw on Youtube.You cannot say they don't go out and buy concert tickets after seeing live footage on Youtube.There is a reason why many artists (Madonna,Michael Jackson,etc) have their own official YouTube channels.They know that this is the best way to promote and expose their music.As usual,Prince is missing a golden opportunity.


And as usual, there are some fans who think that Prince can do no wrong.
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Reply #40 posted 04/13/08 2:29am

viewaskew

SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:


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They get it they just want to be compensated.


No,they're just greedy and out of touch with reality.


Exactly. They're chasing pennies, rather than introducing their work to millions of new listeners. Greedy, narrow-minded tossers.
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Reply #41 posted 04/13/08 4:08am

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So! Let the greedy ass babies sit in the corner, holding their stuff as time just passes them by! Enjoy the greatness that IS on YouTube and better than their stuff anyway!

Instant Karma will get to them soon enough! wink


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Reply #42 posted 04/13/08 4:53am

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Greatness is meant to be shared! I didn't see this performance in 1991 when it happened but thanks to YouTube, the person who posted it and Aerosmith not being whinny ass babies like some other folks, I can think of. I got to see it for the first time, this past weekend and didn't hesitate getting a Platinum Level Aero Force One Membership because I wanted to see the members only videos on Aerosmiths website! I'll testify in any court that it wouldn't have happened, had I not stumbled upon this video, on YouTube!

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Reply #43 posted 04/15/08 3:59am

SoulAlive

viewaskew said:

laurarichardson said:


-----At this time there is no proof that YOUTUBE is helping artist sell records or putting butts in concert seats.


There's no proof that it's not. However, they are able to see their work, which may generate enough interest in it to buy an album or see a show. Close enough to proof.


Exactly.It's all about EXPOSURE.There are many young Prince fans who never got the chance to see his old videos.YouTube is a great promotional tool for artists.Prince's problem is that he is a control freak.The Internet is the one thing that he can't control,which is why he has some many problems with it.
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Reply #44 posted 04/15/08 6:47am

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SoulAlive said:

viewaskew said:



There's no proof that it's not. However, they are able to see their work, which may generate enough interest in it to buy an album or see a show. Close enough to proof.


Exactly.It's all about EXPOSURE.There are many young Prince fans who never got the chance to see his old videos.YouTube is a great promotional tool for artists.Prince's problem is that he is a control freak.The Internet is the one thing that he can't control,which is why he has some many problems with it.


Hell, there are so many old Prince fans that haven't seen some of those old videos either. BET didn't become widespread until the late 1980s and I never saw the "Sexuality" or "Dirty Mind" video until 1990.

I could be wrong, but I know I remember seeing a video for "Let's Work" on "Casey Kasem's Top 10". It was set with the same church scene as "Controversy". Everyone says I've got it confused with "Controversy" but I swear I thought I saw one for "Let's Work". That was so many years ago though and when you get as old as me, sometimes you forget to take your geritol. lol
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Reply #45 posted 04/15/08 7:03am

SoulAlive

hmmm a video for "Let's Work"? I've never seen it.Then again,it was only recently that I finally saw a video for "Let's Pretend We're Married",lol.
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Reply #46 posted 04/25/08 2:27am

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SoulAlive said:

viewaskew said:



There's no proof that it's not. However, they are able to see their work, which may generate enough interest in it to buy an album or see a show. Close enough to proof.


Exactly.It's all about EXPOSURE.There are many young Prince fans who never got the chance to see his old videos.YouTube is a great promotional tool for artists.Prince's problem is that he is a control freak.The Internet is the one thing that he can't control,which is why he has some many problems with it.

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You really think Prince needs more exposure !!!. P wants to get paid and in the end I think YOUTUBE will cough up some sort of fee to the publishing companies.
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Reply #47 posted 04/25/08 2:28am

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viewaskew said:

SoulAlive said:



No,they're just greedy and out of touch with reality.


Exactly. They're chasing pennies, rather than introducing their work to millions of new listeners. Greedy, narrow-minded tossers.

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But their not your pennies buddy. I want to live in the free world your living in. In addtion, if you take the time to look you can find compleations of Prince videos.
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Reply #48 posted 04/25/08 2:43am

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:



Exactly.It's all about EXPOSURE.There are many young Prince fans who never got the chance to see his old videos.YouTube is a great promotional tool for artists.Prince's problem is that he is a control freak.The Internet is the one thing that he can't control,which is why he has some many problems with it.

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You really think Prince needs more exposure !!!. P wants to get paid and in the end I think YOUTUBE will cough up some sort of fee to the publishing companies.


Oh stop it with all this "Prince wants to get paid" bullshit rolleyes He's already filthy rich! If a young fan wants to see an old video that they missed the first time around,that's not a crime.Everything doesn't always have to be about money!
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Reply #49 posted 04/25/08 2:49am

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SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:


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You really think Prince needs more exposure !!!. P wants to get paid and in the end I think YOUTUBE will cough up some sort of fee to the publishing companies.


Oh stop it with all this "Prince wants to get paid" bullshit rolleyes He's already filthy rich! If a young fan wants to see an old video that they missed the first time around,that's not a crime.Everything doesn't always have to be about money!

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How old are you? In the real world everything is about money. Nobody ever thinks they have enough. Universal did not sign a publishing deal with Prince to not make money. If a young fan wants to see a video he better hustle his ass to Amazon.com and buy the The Hits collection or look on E-Bay.

The freeride his coming to end. I enjoyed and now it is over.
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Reply #50 posted 04/25/08 2:50am

SoulAlive

rolleyes
Your comments make me glad that fans find this stuff illegally.Thank God for bootleggers!

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Reply #51 posted 04/25/08 2:58am

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rolleyes
Your comments make me glad that fans find this stuff illegally.Thank God for bootleggers!

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Well I have said that a thousand times. You can find anything you want. If someone is pressed to see Prince videos you can find them. You just will not see them on YOUTUBE. We all managed to get our hands on stuff before YOUTUBE and this will continue to go on.
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Reply #52 posted 04/25/08 7:17am

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TotalAlisa said:

Paris9748430 said:




If people your age don't care about the Rollling Stones because their music isn't on youtube, then they're morons!!! Especially since their music is heard everywhere else.

It's not like they're this up & coming band that depends on the Internet to build their fan base.

Artists like The Stones, Van Morrison, and Prince aren't gonna suddenly have people not show up to their concerts because they don't have a video up on Youtube!!!

you are trying to indirectly call me a moron because the rolling stones are old and no one cares about their boring music... and they Have NOT made a big impact on pop culture..


You are joking right? You just typed the Rolling Stones have not made a big impact on pop culture. lol lol
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