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Reply #30 posted 04/09/08 4:55pm

Adisa

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Well, I think the article and the posts on this thread sum up what I've been saying for years.

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I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #31 posted 04/09/08 5:08pm

Graycap23

Martinelli said:

AlexdeParis said:


Even better, iPods support Apple Lossless, so you can have pristine quality at half the size if you want.



it's still a compressed format.

U can put full AIFF or wave files on Ipod if u choose.
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Reply #32 posted 04/09/08 6:08pm

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Graycap23 said:

Martinelli said:




it's still a compressed format.

U can put full AIFF or wave files on Ipod if u choose.

However with higher resolution, you give up the ability to have 10 gazillion tunes stored. lol


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Reply #33 posted 04/09/08 6:19pm

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vainandy said:

Sorry The Audience, but I was trying to read that article and felt like I was listening to the professor on "Gilligan's Island". I couldn't understand a word of those technical terms. lol

Sorry Andy...



...didn't mean to get all techno with it. geek


This island is incredibly boring most of the time. bored
(Especially since Ginger & Mary Ann have gone into abstinence mode. mad )


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Reply #34 posted 04/09/08 8:42pm

MsLegs

theAudience said:

vainandy said:

Sorry The Audience, but I was trying to read that article and felt like I was listening to the professor on "Gilligan's Island". I couldn't understand a word of those technical terms. lol

Sorry Andy...



...didn't mean to get all techno with it. geek


This island is incredibly boring most of the time. bored
(Especially since Ginger & Mary Ann have gone into abstinence mode. mad )


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Reply #35 posted 04/09/08 9:01pm

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I think the sound quality of CD's is good enough, provided they weren't poorly mastered. However, I'm interested in things such as 5.1 surround mixes, and for those, you need a DVD-Audio or SACD player. Plus, the extra storage capacity on such next-generation discs could be used for all sorts of "extras."
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Reply #36 posted 04/09/08 9:09pm

MsLegs

matt said:

I think the sound quality of CD's is good enough, provided they weren't poorly mastered. However, I'm interested in things such as 5.1 surround mixes,

Sound quality, 5.1 Surround Mixes, & Mastering are dependent factors on the quality of Engineer.
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Reply #37 posted 04/09/08 10:22pm

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rocknrolldave said:

HOWEVER, I think there are two areas in which CD's are let down by the people who make them:

1. Poor transfers of old albums.

You know the ones, that sound like they could have taken the sound directly off a vinyl copy without bothering to remaster it to take into account the differences between the two media..?


Sure... that seems to include every pre-1988 Prince album.

I have listened to unofficial alleged "remasters" of Sign "O" the Times and The Black Album. To my non-audiophile ears, they sound much better than the official WB versions. However, I have no idea who prepared them or what was actually done to remaster them... I suppose it could have simply been someone with a computer and software like Volume Logic.
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Reply #38 posted 04/10/08 11:41am

Bewdy

interesting thread, I was a sound engineer for about 10 years and I feel a bit cheated by the whole MP3 revolution. It's a shame record companies didn't see the bigger picture with regard to trying to stick to the CD quality format than reverting down to mp3s.

I think if they had we wouldn't see half the copyright issues we see today, at least not yet, as the music media has become so portable that it has left a legacy of illegal downloading etc... having said that with broadband speeds what they are not I guess even uncompressed wav format would easily be copied now.

I still feel a bit pissed off though the mp3s at the defacto format now, if your music online most likely it's in one of these compressed formats to me that is jst not acceptable because like others have stated, I can hear the difference between cd and mp3. As for the higher end formats, well I'm not sure I could tell the difference personally, though a lot of my muso friends insist they call tell the difference between 32bit and 16bit recordings, but this is more geared towards the actual recording stage where recording gain headroom and getting a good signal to noise ratio is the order of the day.

I think the issue with 96khz+ sampling frequencies are relevant only in very specific situations. It always makes me chuckle when you see these people spending a kings ransom on a hifi set up, then stick it in a completely in appropriate room. In terms of room acoustics, I would say this is miles more important than the quality of components that people rave on about (but of course is completely impractical in most modern day scenarios)
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Reply #39 posted 04/10/08 5:00pm

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Some thoughts:
I think cd's are better than mp3's.


Lossless mp3 is fantastic for loading your ipod. 320 AAC is damn good also and hard to tell the diff.

A well mastered, recorded, and mixed cd should be more than enough.

Problem is engineers no longer mix with actual dynamics, it's all made to be compressed even more on mp3.

A sacd or dvd-audio of Beck Sea Change or Fleetwood Mac's Rumours destroys the original and remastered cd's in 2 channel and 5 channel.

Last but more important than sound quality, does anyone actually write 10 songs that are good enough to fill a cd anymore? (with the exception of Aimee Mann and Ryan Adams).

I mean I still love hiss on Prince bootlegs, cause the songs are fantastic.
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Reply #40 posted 04/10/08 5:21pm

horatio

Slave2daGroove said:

Graycap23 said:


I saw a 750GB for $119.


yeah, the price is dropping every weekend, I saw a Terra byte for $218


Oh yeah, NDRU, the new EQ setting still blow in the current ipods...


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Ive also noticed even mp3 with high bit rates/lossless sound all digital when played from my iPod
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Reply #41 posted 04/11/08 10:46am

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What upsets me is this thread falling to page 2.

what's more important than sound?

Beyonce and Jay Z

Janet's flop

Fergie shitting on Barracuda like she was singing gold notes.
Music is the best...
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Reply #42 posted 04/11/08 1:03pm

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Yeah, CDs are better than MP3s, but they still aren't the best. If we could get a format that kept the quality and clarity of CD's but mix in the low end that vinyl has, that'd be the end of it.

I got a turntable for my birthday a couple weeks ago and was stunned because I had almost forgotten that that low range even EXISTED! Granted, I'd listened to and loved a lot of vinyl as a kid, but I hadn't listened to a record in years!

The fact is, as the article says, most people can't tell the difference. Sure CDs sound better, but MP3s are more CONVENIENT, and therein lies the reason why its the new format.

Plus we also have to remember that record labels, by mandating that CDs be the new format essentially made MP3s the new format as well by virtue of the fact that you can't digitally rip a record or tape, but you can a CD.
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Reply #43 posted 04/11/08 1:22pm

Slave2daGroove

Then will people hear the difference in THIS??

Science is moving faster than we can post about it...

The new chip that will let an iPod store 500,000 songs

A new storage technology will pave the way for MP3 players and other gadgets to store a hundred times more information


Jonathan Richards

Mobile phones, iPods and other consumer devices may soon be able to hold a hundred times more information than they do at present thanks to a breakthrough in storage technology.

Scientists at IBM say they have developed a new type of digital storage which would enable a device such as an MP3 player to store about half a million songs - or 3,500 films - and cost far less to produce.

In a paper published in the current issue of Science, a team at the company's research centre in San Jose, California, said that devices which use the new technology would require much less power, would run on a single battery charge for "weeks at a time", and would last for decades.

So-called 'racetrack' memory uses the 'spin' of an electron to store data, and can operate far more quickly than regular hard drives.

Like flash memory - the most advanced type of memory for small devices such as mobile phones - it has no moving parts, meaning that the problems associated with mechanical reliability are dramatically reduced.

Unlike flash, however, it can 'write data' - or store information - extremely quickly, and does not have the 'wear out' mechanism that means flash memory drives can only be used a few thousand times before they wear out.

"The promise of racetrack memory - for example, the ability to carry massive amounts of information in your pocket - could unleash creativity leading to devices and applications that nobody has imagined yet," Stuart Parkin, the IBM fellow who led the research, said.

At present the most capacious iPod - the 160GB iPod Classic - can store 40,000 songs.

Dr Parkin said that racetrack memory could lead to the development of 'three-dimensional micro-electronics', breaking with the tradition of scientists trying to fit an ever greater number on transistors on an ultra-thin piece of silicon shaped like a wafer.

"The combination of extraordinarily interesting physics and spintronic materials engineering, one atomic layer at a time, continues to be highly challenging and very rewarding," he said.

The breakthrough also potentially paves the way for a radical re-writing of one of the most basic laws of computing - so-called Moore's Law, the maxim coined in 1965 by the co-founder of Intel, Gordon Moore, according to which computing speed doubles roughly every two years.

In September, Mr Moore himself said that the continued application of his law would come up against some fundamental laws of physics by about 2020 - laws which forced Mr Parkin and his team to rethink how silicon chips operate.

For nearly fifty years, scientists have explored the possibility of storing information inside the walls that exist between magnetic domains, but to date manipulating such walls has been too expensive and complicated to achieve significant results.

In his paper, Mr Parkin describes a milestone in which he and his team were able to store data in columns of magnetic material arranged on the surface of a silicon wafer. The information moves around the columns at high speed, giving the technology its racetrack name.

IBM said the technology was still "exploratory" at this stage, but that it expected devices which used it to be on the market within ten years.
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Reply #44 posted 04/11/08 1:22pm

Graycap23

guitarslinger44 said:



Plus we also have to remember that record labels, by mandating that CDs be the new format essentially made MP3s the new format as well by virtue of the fact that you can't digitally rip a record or tape, but you can a CD.

True, but with a little effort you can get great cd's from vinyl.
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Reply #45 posted 04/11/08 1:54pm

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Slave2daGroove said:

Then will people hear the difference in THIS??

Science is moving faster than we can post about it...

The new chip that will let an iPod store 500,000 songs

A new storage technology will pave the way for MP3 players and other gadgets to store a hundred times more information


Jonathan Richards

Mobile phones, iPods and other consumer devices may soon be able to hold a hundred times more information than they do at present thanks to a breakthrough in storage technology.

That sounds fantastic! I could rip everything to lossless then! woot!
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Reply #46 posted 04/11/08 2:05pm

Graycap23

AlexdeParis said:

Slave2daGroove said:

Then will people hear the difference in THIS??

Science is moving faster than we can post about it...


That sounds fantastic! I could rip everything to lossless then! woot!

It's funny. i have 8,000 songs on my Ipod but only focus on a handfull. It's OVERkill.
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Reply #47 posted 04/11/08 2:35pm

Slave2daGroove

Graycap23 said:

AlexdeParis said:


That sounds fantastic! I could rip everything to lossless then! woot!

It's funny. i have 8,000 songs on my Ipod but only focus on a handfull. It's OVERkill.


Try putting it on shuffle and let it randomly jump through your 8,000 songs, it's like re-discovering your music collection.
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Reply #48 posted 04/11/08 2:36pm

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Graycap23 said:

AlexdeParis said:


That sounds fantastic! I could rip everything to lossless then! woot!

It's funny. i have 8,000 songs on my Ipod but only focus on a handfull. It's OVERkill.

Since iTunes started keeping play counts (in 2002 I believe), I've listened to almost 13,000 different songs.
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