Europe is like many markets in where you can sell music there that so very few americans would listen to. Dance Music and Jacksons are what I'm thinking of.

Well Michael has droppe in sales here but Janet went to number 1 here and Asia. Despite it being a largely Dance record and being Janer Jackson sales haven't hit at all in Europe. This is amazingly strange. Europeans as she said are about her most dedicated fans. What's the scenare?

She's never been a big seller in Europe. What's so strange about this one not selling?

Raze said:

the way kylie is big in europe and virtually unknown in north america is the opposite for janet, that's how it always was.

alphastreet said:

The Velvet Rope tour was a huge sellout success in Europe.

badujunkie said:

and how many CD's did she sell?

Europe 5 Platinum 1,500,000
France 5 Platinum 300,000
U.K. 6 Platinum 300,000
Germany 5 Gold 400,00


not bad?

badujunkie said:

she was at her peak in europe in the 90's, but even then, I don't think she was big like madonna and mj over there.

alphastreet said:

I think we've established she's the lowest of the top 4 artists of The 80s.

Personally i haven't seen any marketing for her here in Germany whatsoever. No large point of purchase displays, no posters/billboard ad thingies. You can catch her video occasionally on MTV, but now that the Madonna/Timberlake collab is out that video will pretty much knock everything else out the box, as their fan bases here are more extensive, and pretty loyal.

How many copies has 'Discipline' sold worldwide so far?

She was selling well in the Uk up to and including All For You. She dropped off sharply from Damita Jo onwards.

fluid, I would never include her on the Top 4 Pop Artitsts of the 80s!

That for me are Jackson, Madonna, George Michael and Prince.

Why is George Michael so often overlooked? He had like 10 #1 in the 80s, and was as commercial as Prince I guess?

fluid said:

Eh!? She's got a way to go to catch the sales and interest of the the likes of Bruce Spingsteen, U2 and George Michael, even Duran Duran. Even Bon Jovi had more global success.

I remeber going to see the Rhythm Nation tour in Hong Kong. But she wasn't the hot ticket in town. Billy Joel was. He was far more popular outside of the the USA.

Janet doesn't sell the old volumes in Europe like she used to because Dance music moved on over here in the early 90's. In the late 80's the European clubs were happy playing the likes of Flyte Tyme productions. It was all the rage.

But Dance music evolved and seperated to a much greater degree from R&B in Europe than it did in the US.


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I think a lot of current US output that is considered "dance" music at home is considered bland R&B extension in the rest of the world. Janet is firmly in that category.
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I'm a huge janet fan, but I didn't even know she existed until the 90's, and that alone tells me she wasn't not the big 3 of the 80's, prince, mj and madonna. She was more like someone who had a hybrid of those three and broke out of her shell overtime
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graecophilos said:

sounds like a good topic for another thread...

Who are the Top five artists of the 80s?

On this site,we generally agree that Prince,Michael and Madonna are "the big three",but I'm sure that fans of Duran Duran,Bruce Springsteen,Lionel Richie,Tina Turner and others,might have a different view

Ottensen said:

I really don't think Janet's label made any effort to promote this CD in Europe.They concentrated solely on America.Janet would be wise to re-consider this strategy.European audiences are traditionally more loyal,and they don't care about things like age or genre (which is why dance music is still popular there).If the music's good,they will buy it.

I read somewhere she's in Japan right now?

Ya know what? I'm starting to think she might never have big sales again. So if she wants to stay in music, she should just go ahead and try something completely different rather than hiring all these producers just to come-up with something that sells. It's like she's trying so hard to "sell" that she's shooting herself in the foot.

Or she might want to do an off-Broadway show!
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Isel said:

yes I think its her 'same' ness that been turnin people off. Shes not doing anything that any1 else havent already done up to this point. If she keeps on the sexual route, she wont go anywhere

Dance music? I haven't heard anything dance sounding coming from her lately. I heard something that maybe could halfway pass but then she ruins it with that shit hop style of "singing a rap" with 50 words in one lyric.

I remember an interview where Janet expressed her desire to make a Brazilian jazz album.That would be a cool idea for her.It would give her a chance to branch out,try something new and finally escape her R&B comfort zone.It may or may not be a big seller,but it would certainly give her some credibility...demonstrating that she can do something different.

Imagine if you were Janet....could you really get excited about going back to the studio next year to make yet another R&B album? With the same type of producers,the same type of songs? I bet she must be really bored with that routine.

She would end up mixing it with some shit hop because she would want it to sell. A Brazilian jazz album wouldn't be my taste either but I would applaud her if she even did a damn country album.....anything to get completely 100% away from shit hop and stop helping it grow.

paisleypark4 said:

Well she's in her mid 40s now and still trying to compete for JT, Usher, Alicia Keyes and C. Aguilara's audience. But she doesn't bring much to the table anymore. The whole "control" gimmick is over for her and though she's still sexy hot, there's nothing else there. She's never been a great singer or songwriter and is just ok as a dancer. But other than looking cool onstage with a dance troupe, being chummy with the hottest r&b/hip hop producers and being a member of a famous family, what else does she have? I think she needs to go the Tina Turner route and try some rock instead of trying to shock us with the same weak songs of sexual innuendoes.

We've already seen what she does as an actress and I don't think that phone will be ringing much.

why single out europe? she aint selling anywhere.

Rock With U (or however it was spelt) is the type of material that I still think could be / could have been a hit in Europe, so that's just up to their marketing department.

I actually like that "Daddy Make Me Cry" song. My God, she sounds almost sincere for once singing that.

I honestly don't know what's the problem with her sales in Europe, much less what's going on back here. In the US, it's likely she'll reach gold status by the end of this year but in Europe, it's like... silent. But I get it though that Janet hasn't really had the massive sales compared to her brother, Madonna, Tina, George, Prince and the whole rounds though until "Damita Jo", she was actually doing quite well in Europe, real well, I might add. So I don't know why she hasn't done well with her singles and albums in Europe. Any other Janet fan know how she's doing in Japan?

novabrkr said:

my friend said the same thing
sadomasichistics.....

SoulAlive said:

She would just use to opportunity to add some Latin zing to her t&a photo shoots.

17dayz said:

Well, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it.

She's not selling in the US either, whatdoyakno.

yes , because her music sucks