Anxiety said:

Exactly. That is cow chips/cow dung purpose.

Criticism exists at every level from music to sports, politics, etc.
Like cinnamon said vain is very entertaining and it's always interesting
to see what he has to say. I don't agree with everything vain says and
he may even on a few artists i like but i would never
take it personal. My fellow NWO comrade bboy87 is very funny too.
I mean if you don't like what vain has to say don't read it if you are gonna
take it personal. I love stevie wonder but if someone says he sucks and don't
like his music life goes on. I find the madonna, janet, and mariah threads to
be most hilarious because of the die hards that just can't accept the criticism
they take on the board.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Music journalists get paid big bucks to listen to music and many of them don't write nice things about the artist or their album the majority of the time. Should they also be made to stop 'bashing' artists? Everybody is entitled to their opinion no matter how negative it may be about a celebrity or the guy who sits in the cubicle next to them at work. Say what you want about whoever...it's just an opinion; doesn't make it one of the Ten Commandments. Some people just get offended too easily by what someone says about their favorite artist. It's like you just insulted their mom or something. You don't even know these people. They could be hiding bodies in their basements for all we know.

I'll agree that it's sometimes annoying reading posts like this..."[Insert Name] is worse than dog doo doo!" (even though sometimes they're funny ), but there are many people who have very good posts about why they don't like a specific artist. It's just their opinion and shouldn't change the way you feel about that person. Music journalists do it everyday, so why can't everyone else do it on a internet website? I'm just sayin'.

But I *HATE* Janet Jackson!


She completely sucks ass, and she can't blame her button sized plastic nose for her nasal, dry voice either! MJ has one and he sounds just fine!

Either you like something or you don't. Everyone has an opinion, if you like something, like it, but if you don't, then don't, and everyone is free to say, applaud, praise, diss, bash, or whateva all they want.

Exactly, and there's no reason to take it personal because I am shitting on the artist, not the poster. Hell, some of my best friends absolutely love Shitney Houston and several of the acts I can't stand. That doesn't mean I don't like the person that likes their music. It just means that they have their own taste and I have mine. The world would be a dull ass place if everyone was exactly the same.

I see it this way, these artists are public figures and a public figure is going to be shit on by someone in the public because everyone has different likes and dislikes. I'm not these artists' mama and I'm sure as hell not getting paid to defend them. If someone doesn't like who I like, well hey, they can kiss my ass. I just chop it up to them not having as good a taste as I have. But seriously, if someone doesn't like what someone else has to say about their favorite artist, they are free to debate it. If they are mad because they can't change the other person's mind and persuade them to either like their favorite artist or stop talking about them, then they are a whiney baby that needs to lock their self away from the rest of the world so they will never hear anything negative.

Exactly. And opinions are like assholes.....and I'm the biggest asshole aboard this ship.

It's really unfortuneate that people think negativity for the sake of negativity is ok. I am all for free speach and all of that good stuff. It's really unfortunate that not many understand what I am getting at. I know that the majority simply want to be able to say what they want about whatever, I mean hey it's a free site, we should be able to say what we want. But maybe just maybe we can facilitate a little change, you know to make this forum a bit better and informative. The is the FIRST place I go when looking for new music suggestions and ifo on a new album coming out. I am sure it's the same for others too.

All I was asking for was...

if you don't like something or someone, add real reasons or discussions to bolster your point. if you're not knowledgeable then interjecting something that's pretty baseless adds nothing.

if someone starts an appreciation thread for an artist, to not go in and poop on the thread. same goes for unappreciation threads. Or if there is a thread on an album coming out, to go in and simply say "The album is going to suck like all the others" Honestly adds zero and makes you look immature and potentially ruins the thread as it then delves into why someone must suck, when the thread is really about info on the new album. I can't tell you how often I have to weed through all the BS to get to the info I am looking for.

if an artist doesn't appeal to you and you're not a fan, don't bother with the thread. there is nothing to see there, so move along. THere is a thread on the New Kids right now. I don't particularly like them and find the notion of them ridiculous. But I'm not a fan and I know none of their music, what do I care. I don't. So I'm not going into that thread. What could I possibly say "They gave me nightmares as a child?"

but most importantly have something semi intelligent to say and try to have a little appreciation and respect for other people who might like a particular artist. I have known way too many decent orgers who simply can't stand the behavior around here. I know "if they don't like it they can go Fudge themselves...this is a public site blah blah BLAH". Because if you have that attitude, you have missed my point. It's not about allowing whatever behavior it's about saying enough as a whole and all of us trying to make this forum a tad better and nicer to post in.

remember you don't HAVE to be an asshole, you choose to be one.

vainandy said:

vainandy said:

see, thats what's sad...you have created a persona for yourself on this website that relies on you pissing on other people's personal taste...justify your behavior all you want but in the end you need to put down others in order to gain acceptance and to feel like your a part of this community.

it's sad and pathetic.

sosgemini said:

Yep

superspaceboy said:

i understand what you're saying.

i think there's a difference between expressing criticism and being a big debbie downer when other people are trying to appreciate something they all enjoy.

for example, i'm not excited about the new madonna album. i haven't HEARD the new madonna album, so maybe i will like it. i've really enjoyed albums by her in the past, and i've really disliked albums by her in the past. that's *MY* experience and opinion of this artist. i can't project this on to another person's appreciation any more than someone can argue if in fact i like or dislike something. maybe someone will come up with a new perspective on an album i don't like, and it'll help me hear it in a new way. or not. but i don't come in trying to convince people not to like something they're already fans of. what's the reward in that?

there are tons of threads on this forum dedicated to artists i really don't give two shakes of a dead dog's tail about. and ya know what? I DON'T CLICK ON THEM. why? BECAUSE I'M NOT INTERESTED.

why try to be all evangelical about making people hate the same kind of music you hate? what kind of a boring ass world would this be if we all had the exact same tastes? bring a book!

sosgemini said:

Well damn, that's a bit harsh, dude

Anxiety said:

oh SHIT.


hahaah omg I just love hearing Anx use Madonna as an example here.

Evvy said:

I don't care about this, but I do care about claims of not being objective, because that's bullshit. If Madonna released a well written song, I would acknowledge it. I praised "Feedback", even though I dislike Janet. If MJ delivered an incredible performance tomorrow, I would be cheering louder than anyone. Make no mistake about that.

As for the topic, I see it this way. It's like if you see a beautiful, lovely woman hook up with a misogynistic woman beater. Suddenly her beauty is robbed from her by too many black eyes and sleepless nights. Her confidence goes, from being abused all the time. She gets fat. Her personality changes, and what was once glorious, is now a tragic shadow of it's former self. Are you gonna have any kind words for the son of a bitch who did that to her? Hell no!

Well, the same thing that happened to that hypothetical woman, also happens to music every day. Talent is dismissed. Substance is scorned. Inferior product is knowingly pushed onto the market until it becomes the norm. Now of course, none of this is really the artists' fault. They can't help sucking. It's the industry's fault for not valuing the art-form highly enough to maintain some basic standards. The problem is, the industry bozos who are really to blame, are not in the public eye, so we end up throwing rocks at their offerings instead.
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Cinnie said:

well, it IS M:NP, right? isn't that what we're supposed to do?

Anxiety said:

Madonna ain't that serious! You come talmbout "this is my opinion of this artist"

Cinnie said:

I AM TRYING TO ASSIMILATE GOD DAMN IT!!!!

Anxiety said:

I haven't created anything for this forum. I am the same person online as I am offline. There are plenty of orgers that share a lot of the same musical taste as myself so, no, I don't have to do anything to gain acceptance around here, other than discuss the music I like. However, discussing the music I don't like makes things a lot more fun and interesting than just a lot of people sitting around a campfire, holding hands, agreeing on everything, and singing "Kumbaya".

As for me or anyone else being sad or pathetic, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, while you are downing me for stating my opinion on artists and music, which is why we are all here, you need to think about yourself stating your opinion on individual orgers, which is a line that I rarely cross when I'm stating my musical opinions.
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as you can see... i RARELY COMMENT ON madonna.. its because i really could care less about the woman.. i like some of her songs.. but not really a fan..

I like janet... and bash her the most....

actually any artist that i bash.. is cause i like them.. and want them to do good.. whether it is changing their style or making music that i can enjoy if i took time to make a comment about an artist means they are relevant to me.. it might not be as much as it was a long time ago when i was serious fan.. but i still have some love....

my bashing means i care....

with the exception of beyonce.. when i bash her is cause i really don't like her and disappointed... she is the only artist that disgust me...

That's why I like to bash Prince from time to time.

vainandy said:

VoicesCarry said:

Well said.

superspaceboy said:

you speak an excellent point here. it happened to me. I wanted to talk about a certain type of music and here comes someone adding nothing to the thread. instead that person attacked me. the next one poster, instead of reading the topic, posted something dumb too after that person. now the post is not about the topic anymore, but me defending myself against one person who has a bunny with the word "slave" in its whiskers as an avatar attacking me. then the next. instead of finding out what the person is saying I am now the thread. makes a person's rep go bad for no reason. but that person never or rarely starts threads. just comes on others and attack them. waists time and may make moderators look at YOU AS A PROBLEM.

I have speak to wonderful people on this site. however there are some who are really bored. talk about your likes or dislikes about the topic is good,not tell the threader about their character or their knowledge.