Help me out here folks. I am all for discussion and free speech and all...

I just wish folks would figure out who they like and don't like and stop trying to trash other artists people actually like and want to discuss. And if you don't like said artist, give a REAL and CURRENT reason for discussion. Because if you're not listening to them and don't really care for the artist anyways, what good is it to trash someone that someone else likes? Saying in a thread about Madonna's new album "Madonna is a talentless has been wrinkly old hack" Doesn't help the discussion regarding the new album. IMO start a new thread!

**steps off of soap box**

On the flip side, I really wish fans could learn to appreciate music on their own terms, instead of bashing others for not loving it just as much as them. I see people on here taking things personally and attacking others for having opinions that differ from theirs, which I find just as odd as wasting your time posting pointless negativity for the sake of it.

yeah I kind of agree, though just yesterday I chimed in about an album that I hated that someone created a thread about because they liked it, but in such a way that we still had a productive discussion about the artist.

But I agree, I hate the "what's the best grunge album" replies of "all grunge sucks!" So that person is not qualified to say since they don't actually appreciate the music in question.

Some people just have to much time. like me for instance!
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Because it's great fun Besides, try and create a separate thread to criticize an artist and watch it get locked and deleted. That's what happens around here so the mods force those with criticisms to post in the supportive threads themselves.....

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Yeah, I have no idea why some people can't grasp the fact that this isn't a fan forum for their favourite artist (usually a diva). It's a place where people discuss music, love it or hate it. If you can't stand people dissing Mariah, Madonna, Michael, Janet, etc....what the hell are you doing here? They have their own forums for the dearly devoted.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Enough out of you! Did you get that Heavy Circles Album?

I posted a barf emoticon in the Genesis/Phil Collins thread. The point was to let the people on that thread (who I normally agree with) know that I can't ride for the song of topic.

I usually find some way to reap greater meaning out of it all. Like all the knowledge being dropped in the "10 Years ago, No Limit Records ruled the charts!" thread. There some valid musicology discussion going on in there.

There are certain people here (and anywhere else, to be honest) that just live for throwing negatives at what people like. Occasionally, I'll do the same but I prefer to talk about what I like.

If people agreed on everything, that would be extremely boring. If you're going to go into a thread about an artist that you don't like, be able to give a intelligent reason why you can't stand them. Personally, I like a good debate. I like to see other people's point of views and opinions on an artist, positive or negative. Honesty, the people who creep me out the most are the ones who love everything that their favorite artist does and couldn't say anything bad about them even if someone put a gun to their forehead. No artist is perfect. They all have songs, videos, public performances that have been painful to experience at some point in their careers.

These days,I rarely bash artists I don't like.I'm too busy concentrating on the artists that I do like.I think it's a waste of time to click on a thread and say "this person sucks" or "that person's new CD is gonna suck".I can't stand Kid Rock so if there was a thread devoted to his new album,why would I waste my time on it? I'd rather be discussing new music that I'm actually interested in and plan to buy.

but that's just me

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What's strange to me is,people who spend so much time analyzing/discussing/debating an artist that they truly can't stand.There's a certain Orger here who does this.He gets into long,heated arguments with fans of certain artists and on more than one occasion,he has implied that fans are stupid for liking/supporting certain artists.I mean,what's the point? If you don't like an artist,simply don't listen to them!! Don't buy their CDs.Don't go to their concerts.It's really that simple.I'm not a fan of Lenny Kravitz,so you won't find me on a Lenny Kravitz thread,arguing that he's a talentless nobody.I'm not gonna insult his fanbase.

If you already decide that an artist is crap,you're not really gonna be objective about them anyway,which makes for a pointless discussion.No matter what the artist does or doesn't do,you're not gonna like anything they put out.Move on! Listen to other artists.

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Let's not forget that the content and the referred artists that most of the topics are meant to discuss have greatly changed over the years at the org. People who aren't as "critical of the music they are listening to" are always also more inclined to be less critical about the amount and content of the threads started here. Should that meet with overt and childish negativity? Perhaps not, but it's a pretty natural reaction to internet writing on popular music.

Many of the threads that bash current music are of course started on the grounds of "defending real music", but it still means the forum gets more and more flooded with threads that centre around artists that aren't worth of too much discussion.

I just wish everyone would go right straight to hell.

Has Dance already posted on this thread?

TheMightyCelestial said:

i bet you dont realy.....deep down

superspaceboy said:

I agree,start a new thread Do a thread titled "Madonna sucks!" and get it over with.

Lenny Kravitz sucks major monkey ass.....



Just sayin'.....

superspaceboy said:

THE POINT: To make a statement of how overrated a recording artist really is, regardless of facts or opinions.

VoicesCarry said:

I agree.

But it's easier said than done if 90% of all orgers are so disappointed with certain genres like hip-hop or rap.

Serious said:

SoulAlive said:

Since you're obviously referring to me here, I think I have a right to respond. I don't mind you having a grudge against me, but I do mind you making inaccurate statements. That bit in bold is flat-out wrong. Everyone knows I don't like Janet WACKson for instance, but go back and see what I said about "Feedback". I praised it on more than one occasion. It's a very good track. I think Madonna got boring as hell in the '90s, but I still think "Frozen" was a great song. "Don't Tell Me" and "Human Nature" are also good tracks. Contrary to what you think, I am ALWAYS objective. Just because I state my views in a forceful manner, doesn't mean I'm not objective. Quite the opposite. It's the zealots who lack objectivity.
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superspaceboy said:

I dare you to bring this same thread to the Prince: Music and More section.

I'm like this, I totally get what this thread is about 100% but the truth is, freedom of expression and speech is part of why this site is running. I dont mind people thinking what i like stinks as long as they are respectful in the expressing their point(s), which is what I try to do if I find I'm not feeling something and there's a thread for me to discuss that, like Madonna's new song. It would be great if we could all come together and be united under one project but unfortunately, that's not realistic. Believe me, I've felt that way over at P:M&M for years but I've accepted that not everyone is going to like what Prince does or anyone else for that matter. Oh well, as long as I like it, then it's all good and it applies to this section and all the artists discussed here too. You dig it, cool, do you. If I don't, cool, I do me too. We can all coexist together.
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midnightmover said:

no you are notorious and worse than you think- you bash the person giving the opinion as well as the artist

VoicesCarry said:

Exactly,

superspaceboy said:

Heavy circles? NO. Who is it by?

I think one point that is missing here is that many people who are critical in threads are actually fans of those artists.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You're right. In fact, I would say most of the complaining comes from fans.

purplecam said:

Like when I said I wanted to slap Mariah Carey in the face, actually sock her up and punch the living daylights out of her. I'm a fan. totally a fan but I cannot stand that she involves these fucking rappers in her music. She doesn't need them as a pop artist. I mean are rap devotees buying Mariah's albums because their favorite rapper is on there? Hardly.

Same with Janet, she has been boretothefukining since Velvet Rope. I just haven't been able to get with most of the shit she's released and I LOVE JANET JACKSON!

Vadge I've had less complaints with because I have loved her output since Ray Of Light. For the most part she's keeping things interesting and fresh. But I do want to vomit on that 4 seconds to save the world