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John Lennon was such a thief I always knew the Liverpudlian wife beater had a casual attitude to other people's material, but damn, this shocked even me. "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" is one of his most famous songs, so I was taken aback when I recently heard Joan Baez singing "Stewball" from 1963. The tune is almost identical. Her version of this old folk song is not on Youtube, but this version from 1965 by the Hollies is. Anyone notice the similarities between it and John's song written in 1972?
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yeah, this is interesting since I always hought John robbed a lot from others. I still love him of course! | |
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btw, did you read Albert Goldman's book "The Lives of John Lennon"??
It says John ripped it from a Phil Spector song from 1963?! | |
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I remember that song Stewball! We sang it in elementary school. I thought it was the same when I first heard the John Lennon song, but eventually forgot about it.
Yeah, funny, since it's gone on to be a holiday classic that nobody mentions it. He's been sued before, I wonder why not for that? [Edited 4/14/08 14:13pm] My Legacy
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WoW! 
I tell ya what.. A number of years ago Julian would come to Austin quite frequently (He still might for all I know.) Anyway.. it's just so so sad the way he feels about a lot of things. That's why I prefer keeping "entertainers" at a distance... I realize what we see is an larger-than-life image. But I'm sure the reality isn't as impressive as we might want to believe. | |
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Isel said: That's why I prefer keeping "entertainers" at a distance... I realize what we see is an larger-than-life image. But I'm sure the reality isn't as impressive as we might want to believe.
A very healthy attitude. If you dig their music, fine. But assuming they're any more special than you, the butcher, the baker or the candlestick maker is pretty warped. tA  Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: Isel said: That's why I prefer keeping "entertainers" at a distance... I realize what we see is an larger-than-life image. But I'm sure the reality isn't as impressive as we might want to believe.
A very healthy attitude. If you dig their music, fine. But assuming they're any more special than you, the butcher, the baker or the candlestick maker is pretty warped. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 even more than that, they are sometimes even more fucked up than us, as a some sort of cosmic balance for their extreme talent. I don't want to have to hate a Jimi or a John Lennon because they were jerks in real life. So I either don't learn about it or I decide I don't care  My Legacy
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NDRU said: I remember that song Stewball! We sang it in elementary school. I thought it was the same when I first heard the John Lennon song, but eventually forgot about it.
Yeah, funny, since it's gone on to be a holiday classic that nobody mentions it. He's been sued before, I wonder why not for that? [Edited 4/14/08 14:13pm] This is exactly what puzzles me. I've read a reasonable amount about Lennon and have never heard this mentioned. Why he was never sued is also puzzling. I thought it might be because it's a traditional song, but no, the Joan Baez album had the three songwriters' names listed. I wonder if you put new words to the tune of "Imagine" and it sold well, if the Lennon estate would allow you to not pay them a cent.  [Edited 4/15/08 13:04pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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NDRU said: even more than that, they are sometimes even more fucked up than us, as a some sort of cosmic balance for their extreme talent. I don't want to have to hate a Jimi or a John Lennon because they were jerks in real life. So I either don't learn about it or I decide I don't care Instant Karma. 
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midnightmover said: NDRU said: I remember that song Stewball! We sang it in elementary school. I thought it was the same when I first heard the John Lennon song, but eventually forgot about it.
Yeah, funny, since it's gone on to be a holiday classic that nobody mentions it. He's been sued before, I wonder why not for that? [Edited 4/14/08 14:13pm] This is exactly what puzzles me. I've read a reasonable amount about Lennon and have never heard this mentioned. Why he was never sued is also puzzling. I thought it might be because it's a traditional song, but no, the Joan Baez album had the three songwriters' names listed. I wonder if you put new words to the tune of "Imagine" and it sold well, if the Lennon estate would allow you to not pay them a cent.
[Edited 4/15/08 13:04pm] yeah I figured maybe it was a traditional, too My Legacy
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theAudience said: NDRU said: even more than that, they are sometimes even more fucked up than us, as a some sort of cosmic balance for their extreme talent. I don't want to have to hate a Jimi or a John Lennon because they were jerks in real life. So I either don't learn about it or I decide I don't care Instant Karma.
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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 definitely. If we've learned anything about superstardom, I think it's clear that being an Elvis, a Beatle, a Michael Jackson, isn't good for a person! My Legacy
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YOU BUSTED HIM!
get over it. it happens all the time | |
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Sdldawn said: YOU BUSTED HIM!
get over it. it happens all the time No, I can't get over it. I'm too traumatized, can't you tell?  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Sdldawn said: YOU BUSTED HIM!
get over it. it happens all the time No, I can't get over it. I'm too traumatized, can't you tell? well by your "edgy" title it seems as if thought you struck gold... big fucking deal. If we were to play this game then every artist we listen to is guilty. [Edited 4/15/08 15:20pm] | |
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LOL, I still think John Lennon was cool. | |
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Sdldawn said: YOU BUSTED HIM!
get over it. it happens all the time Not only that - Lennon's stolen version is so much better!  VOTE....EARLY | |
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Sdldawn said: midnightmover said: No, I can't get over it. I'm too traumatized, can't you tell? well by your "edgy" title it seems as if thought you struck gold... big fucking deal. If we were to play this game then every artist we listen to is guilty. [Edited 4/15/08 15:20pm] "Edgy" is my natural style. Anyone who's read just one of my posts should know that. And don't get it twisted. We all know artists borrow from other artists, but in this case Lennon has borrowed the whole goddamn tune, lock, stock and barrel. It just surprised me because the song is so famous and I've never heard it mentioned. [Edited 4/16/08 10:11am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Sdldawn said: well by your "edgy" title it seems as if thought you struck gold... big fucking deal. If we were to play this game then every artist we listen to is guilty. [Edited 4/15/08 15:20pm] "Edgy" is my natural style. Anyone who's read just one of my posts should know that. And don't get it twisted. We all know artists borrow from other artists, but in this case Lennon has borrowed the whole goddamn tune, lock, stock and barrel. It just surprised me because the song is so famous and I've never heard it mentioned. [Edited 4/16/08 10:11am] yeah, considering he lost a lawsuit over Come Together, which borrows a line from Chuck Berry's You Can't Catch Me, but barely sounds anything like it. It's weird we haven't heard anything about this, and it's on the order of My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine, a direct rip-off. My Legacy
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midnightmover said: Sdldawn said: well by your "edgy" title it seems as if thought you struck gold... big fucking deal. If we were to play this game then every artist we listen to is guilty. [Edited 4/15/08 15:20pm] "Edgy" is my natural style. Anyone who's read just one of my posts should know that. And don't get it twisted. We all know artists borrow from other artists, but in this case Lennon has borrowed the whole goddamn tune, lock, stock and barrel. It just surprised me because the song is so famous and I've never heard it mentioned. [Edited 4/16/08 10:11am] Like I said man, you busted him!!! congrats man | |
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that wife beater was such a fucking thief.. | |
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Don't they all *whistles*
Our mistake is we put those we admire on a high pedestal,,,,thats why the reality sometimes leave a rotton taste on the tongues. | |
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Ohhhhh, ok! Now I see why my thread was jacked! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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