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michael jacksons musc was much more musician oriented when he was with brothers? while michael jacksons solo career brought some well crafted pop music,his music totaly lost music credibility.
in old jackson 5 days or better the jacksons songs you had great licks in their songs. you had great bass lines ,guitar ,drums and keyboard lines. you had solos on instruments. ok off the wall was still something musicians would dig but eventualy his post thriller music is more about production then the actual music. | |
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thebanishedone said: while michael jacksons solo career brought some well crafted pop music,his music totaly lost music credibility.
in old jackson 5 days or better the jacksons songs you had great licks in their songs. you had great bass lines ,guitar ,drums and keyboard lines. you had solos on instruments. ok off the wall was still something musicians would dig but eventualy his post thriller music is more about production then the actual music. I think Thriller had some excellent music. Can you really not count a song like "Beat It" as good musically? Even on the Bad album you had songs like Dirty Diana which was amazing as far as the guitar parts. For the majority of his work, yes his style changed over the years, and I can't really say much about his newer stuff, but even through the early 90's he still had some great tracks. | |
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thebanishedone said: while michael jacksons solo career brought some well crafted pop music,his music totaly lost music credibility.
in old jackson 5 days or better the jacksons songs you had great licks in their songs. you had great bass lines ,guitar ,drums and keyboard lines. you had solos on instruments. ok off the wall was still something musicians would dig but eventualy his post thriller music is more about production then the actual music. I think it has more to do with the evolution of black music than anything else.. Until the 70's, black music was essentially based on real live instruments.. His solo career started at a time when black music was clearly experimenting more and more drum machines and synthesizer Michael also has always wanted his music to sound up to date and modern |
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krayzie said: thebanishedone said: while michael jacksons solo career brought some well crafted pop music,his music totaly lost music credibility.
in old jackson 5 days or better the jacksons songs you had great licks in their songs. you had great bass lines ,guitar ,drums and keyboard lines. you had solos on instruments. ok off the wall was still something musicians would dig but eventualy his post thriller music is more about production then the actual music. I think it has more to do with the evolution of black music than anything else.. Until the 70's, black music was essentially based on real live instruments.. His solo career started at a time when black music was clearly experimenting more and more drum machines and synthesizer Michael also has always wanted his music to sound up to date and modern Exactly. The whole industry was more musician-oriented when Michael started. For some reason black music particularly became much more computer-oriented in the mid '80s. [Edited 3/26/08 16:08pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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bullshit. | |
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No, but that's the popular opinion these days.  | |
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but yet you had musicians oriented black music in the 80s,for example no matter how much electro elements were put into princes music he still managed to sound organic and interesting to musicians.
i agree about beat it it contains one of the most brilliant guitar solos ever thanx to eddie van halen,but most of michaels music isnt what it was. no great rhythm guitar lines like "this place hotel" or groovy bass of "abc" maybe it is because of his like of proficienty on musical instruments. | |
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thebanishedone said: but yet you had musicians oriented black music in the 80s,for example no matter how much electro elements were put into princes music he still managed to sound organic and interesting to musicians.
i agree about beat it it contains one of the most brilliant guitar solos ever thanx to eddie van halen,but most of michaels music isnt what it was. no great rhythm guitar lines like "this place hotel" or groovy bass of "abc" maybe it is because of his like of proficienty on musical instruments. That right there is just one of the many reasons why prince and mj are apples and oranges. Prince (for the most part) didn't care what the mainstream thought, he was almost always experimenting with different sounds and all that stuff. He was more a musician than he was a pop star. Mj became a pure pop star after thriller. I'm not saying he wasn't a musician, but his goal for each album was to sell sell sell, have lavish videos, be number 1 on the charts and this goes in conjuction with what Krayzie already said, he wanted his sound to be more modern and update, how else can u be atop the mainstream? So basically, to answer ur question, because the pop trends changed overtime so did MJ's music along with it which is why it is so different than his years with his brothers. [Edited 3/26/08 19:03pm] | |
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That's just the (over?)production you're talking about, but take away all the style and you can find a song... even on his most recent work.
I don't even like Invincible but I can still at least admit that much. | |
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MajesticOne89 said: thebanishedone said: but yet you had musicians oriented black music in the 80s,for example no matter how much electro elements were put into princes music he still managed to sound organic and interesting to musicians.
i agree about beat it it contains one of the most brilliant guitar solos ever thanx to eddie van halen,but most of michaels music isnt what it was. no great rhythm guitar lines like "this place hotel" or groovy bass of "abc" maybe it is because of his like of proficienty on musical instruments. That right there is just one of the many reasons why prince and mj are apples and oranges. Prince (for the most part) didn't care what the mainstream thought, he was almost always experimenting with different sounds and all that stuff. He was more a musician than he was a pop star. Mj became a pure pop star after thriller. I'm not saying he wasn't a musician, but his goal for each album was to sell sell sell, have lavish videos, be number 1 on the charts and this goes in conjuction with what Krayzie already said, he wanted his sound to be more modern and update, how else can u be atop the mainstream? So basically, to answer ur question, because the pop trends changed overtime so did MJ's music along with it which is why it is so different than his years with his brothers. [Edited 3/26/08 19:03pm] But still, with the current production, that "Jackson sound" still dominates. The MJ song structure is still there. He's always wanted to be the groundbreaker when it came to production and music technology "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Music in general was a lot more musician oriented when Michael was in The Jacksons than when he went solo. [Edited 3/26/08 23:35pm] | |
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I love that his music has so much to offer, with or without his brothers. If I'm not in the mood for his pop oriented stuff, I have my huge motown mj/jacksons collection to listen to. | |
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MajesticOne89 said: thebanishedone said: but yet you had musicians oriented black music in the 80s,for example no matter how much electro elements were put into princes music he still managed to sound organic and interesting to musicians.
i agree about beat it it contains one of the most brilliant guitar solos ever thanx to eddie van halen,but most of michaels music isnt what it was. no great rhythm guitar lines like "this place hotel" or groovy bass of "abc" maybe it is because of his like of proficienty on musical instruments. That right there is just one of the many reasons why prince and mj are apples and oranges. Prince (for the most part) didn't care what the mainstream thought, he was almost always experimenting with different sounds and all that stuff. He was more a musician than he was a pop star. Mj became a pure pop star after thriller. I'm not saying he wasn't a musician, but his goal for each album was to sell sell sell, have lavish videos, be number 1 on the charts and this goes in conjuction with what Krayzie already said, he wanted his sound to be more modern and update, how else can u be atop the mainstream? So basically, to answer ur question, because the pop trends changed overtime so did MJ's music along with it which is why it is so different than his years with his brothers. [Edited 3/26/08 19:03pm] I don't get people trying so hard to believe all that motivated Michael after Thriller was to chase commercial success. As an avid Michael listeners, and having all of his albums since 1969, I have to say Dangerous and History are less commercial-driven than Thriller itself. I believe Michael has been highly visionnary and avant-gardist as a producer and songwriter on Dangerous and onwards( safe Invincible). He's been treating with paranoia, pain, racism, spirituality, crafting extremely complex production, using unheard of sonic effects. He's been more experimental. Most of his hits on Dangerous and History would've never been global smashs if it weren't for MJ. I believe his success with Thriller drove him to be more free, experimental, daring, rather than following the same formula used on his past records. Maybe he became less musical, but he treated music in a different way, trying to infused pionnering new effects and sounds. I think he made the good choice, as his catalogue sounds so diverse, going from roots soul on his earliest J5 records, then acid funk, psychedelic soul, jazzy, disco, rock, funck, gospel,... | |
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i wish he would return to his soull roots and make a soulfull album. and ditch the will.i.ams | |
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thebanishedone said: while michael jacksons solo career brought some well crafted pop music,his music totaly lost music credibility.
in old jackson 5 days or better the jacksons songs you had great licks in their songs. you had great bass lines ,guitar ,drums and keyboard lines. you had solos on instruments. ok off the wall was still something musicians would dig but eventualy his post thriller music is more about production then the actual music. False! In the case of an album like Bad, there are still "musician-oriented" tracks such as Leave Me Alone (where guitars & synths co-exist perfectly), Liberian Girl, Another Part Of Me, I Just Can't Stop Loving You, & Dirty Diana. | |
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bboy87 said: MajesticOne89 said: That right there is just one of the many reasons why prince and mj are apples and oranges. Prince (for the most part) didn't care what the mainstream thought, he was almost always experimenting with different sounds and all that stuff. He was more a musician than he was a pop star. Mj became a pure pop star after thriller. I'm not saying he wasn't a musician, but his goal for each album was to sell sell sell, have lavish videos, be number 1 on the charts and this goes in conjuction with what Krayzie already said, he wanted his sound to be more modern and update, how else can u be atop the mainstream? So basically, to answer ur question, because the pop trends changed overtime so did MJ's music along with it which is why it is so different than his years with his brothers. [Edited 3/26/08 19:03pm] But still, with the current production, that "Jackson sound" still dominates. The MJ song structure is still there. He's always wanted to be the groundbreaker when it came to production and music technology You're right, the structure is still there. I didnt meant to come across like saying he sold out and just did pop. He did it in his own way, but you can still here the current trends mixed in within his own sound which is one of the reason's why he's so great | |
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MajesticOne89 said: bboy87 said: But still, with the current production, that "Jackson sound" still dominates. The MJ song structure is still there. He's always wanted to be the groundbreaker when it came to production and music technology You're right, the structure is still there. I didnt meant to come across like saying he sold out and just did pop. He did it in his own way, but you can still here the current trends mixed in within his own sound which is one of the reason's why he's so great There's still lot of R&B in MJ. | |
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One Czech musician said that Mike´s music is brought to such perfection that people tend to think it´s artificial, when it´s not.
I am not a musician, so I can´t comment, but even my dad who is a "serious" musician shares this opinion even though most of the times he makes those "Jackson  " comments. 
But yeah, as everyone said before me, it´s not Mike it´s the music in general being computerized. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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speeddemon said: MajesticOne89 said: That right there is just one of the many reasons why prince and mj are apples and oranges. Prince (for the most part) didn't care what the mainstream thought, he was almost always experimenting with different sounds and all that stuff. He was more a musician than he was a pop star. Mj became a pure pop star after thriller. I'm not saying he wasn't a musician, but his goal for each album was to sell sell sell, have lavish videos, be number 1 on the charts and this goes in conjuction with what Krayzie already said, he wanted his sound to be more modern and update, how else can u be atop the mainstream? So basically, to answer ur question, because the pop trends changed overtime so did MJ's music along with it which is why it is so different than his years with his brothers. [Edited 3/26/08 19:03pm] I don't get people trying so hard to believe all that motivated Michael after Thriller was to chase commercial success. As an avid Michael listeners, and having all of his albums since 1969, I have to say Dangerous and History are less commercial-driven than Thriller itself. Like i said before, sorry if i came off the wrong way. But, no matter what he did, he wanted it to be out there for everyone to hear. That said, I kinda misinterpreted the question a bit. The OP is wrong and after thriller MJ still had great music in his songs. Songs like Give in to me, stranger in Moscow and even the new material on blood on the dance floor are all great examples of MJ experimenting and taking his music to different places. | |
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