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Printablepjh1972 said: SoulAlive said: 
I think he just needs to stay away from shit hop.He needs to get away from folks like R.Kelly and will.i.am  It's too bad he won't work with Jamiroquai.They're making the type of modern-day funk/disco that Mike needs to be making!I'll second that comment about Jamiroquai. It would be a perfect sound for him, imagine him singing songs like Little L or Canned Heat - just right to recapture the Off the Wall sound. Exactly! When I listen to "Starchild" and "Time Won't Wait" (from Jamiroquai's last album 'Dynamite'),it reminds me of 'Off The Wall'.Both of those songs sound like outtakes from 'Off The Wall'.Jamiroquai are making the most impressive modern day disco/funk music.Imagine what they could do for Michael.They'll get him back to the FUNK! And best of all,there are no hop-hop elements in their music.Michael is not hip-hop.That style doesn't suit him at all.He needs to collaborate with songwriters/producers who have nothing to do with hip-hop. | |
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I'd like to read the Rolling Stone and other critical articles. Could someone upload them?
There's one reason I signed up in this forums: with you I can talk in a much more serious way about certain artists than with the folks from his fan forums! I never read a whole thread devoted to Temperton's songwriting. And if you dare being critical about MJ, you get almost lynched. so, please, could someone show me the article? | |
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Timmy84 said: InsatiableCream said: i dont really think so  too me it looked like he was just going through the motions on the Dangerous tourI agree. He was only vocally there 50% of the time. And even during some of the ballads (like "Human Nature" for example) he couldn't hardly sing because he was mostly out of breath from his crazy-ass miming. He could get away with it on the "Victory" and "Bad" tours but his vocal limits was realized with the "Dangerous" tour. I actually felt embarrassed for him when he did that. I know his female fans didn't mind.  Neither of you are talking about the quality of the dancing. The show had many problems - bad singing, lip synching, still doing the same old routines, etc., but his moves were still razor-sharp. The other factors shouldn't blind you to that fact. He had stopped developing new ideas by that point, but the moves he was doing (though we'd seen them before) were still executed flawlessly. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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alphastreet said: In the Rolling Stone article from 1992, it was said that he couldn't sing Keep the Faith in tune and locked himself in a room crying and had to be comforted by Teddy Riley, then they changed the key it was recorded in so he could sing it better. He could sing, but it's so weird how he's out of pitch constantly now. I've had perfect pitch since I was 3 or 4 it was discovered, and am still pretty good at it, so I notice right away if someone sings off tune. I was cringing when he sang dancing machine at MSG. I think he was singing in D major, when the music was in e flat major, from what I can remember, I haven't watched it in years. [Edited 3/20/08 12:36pm] I remember this article. I also remember thinking Damn, he can't sing KTF in tune?  As well as the comments on Butterflies. It made me wonder what really goes on in the studio with MJ.
Other than that, this thread is hilarious. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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waw2002 said: I heard that speech level singing which Seth Riggs teachers is actually horrible for the voice. Maybe that is why Michael's voice went to crap on him. But he did seem to sound better in 2001 than during the history tour.
Yeah, that's because he'd had some rest. What the MJ fans don't realize is that Michael's voice gets weaker the more singing he does. With every tour from Bad onwards, his voice would sound worse as the tour progressed and the miming would increase. If you look at the rehearsals for the Dangerous tour he was doing the whole thing completely live. However, he was having problems hitting the notes in some songs, so what do you know, when it came time to do the tour he decided to mime those songs instead. The fact that he had tried singing them live first and struggled, indicates that his miming was down to vocal necessity and nothing else. He simply couldn't sing them live even though he wanted to. Is it any wonder he eventually grew disheartened about performing? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I still hate that he mimed the MITM Grammy performance way back when. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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DarlingDiana said: midnightmover said: Back in those days Michael had no fear of singing. Whatever the situation was he would just sing and think nothing of it. Those days are long gone. He doesn't have that confidence in his voice anymore. No way. He was always shy and self conscious about singing/performing. Read his book. Wrong. Michael was shy generally, but when you put him near a microphone he would do what singers do. Sing. Look at when James Brown called him to the stage in '83. Mike was shy, but he did go up and he did sing and he did sound fantastic. Look at when Diana Ross called him up in '81. He came up, grabbed the microphone and rocked the house. If Diana Ross called him up to the stage now do you think he would do that? No, he would hug her, he would smile, he would say "I love you", he would point at people in the audience, but as for singing, forget it. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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SoulAlive said: pjh1972 said: I'll second that comment about Jamiroquai. It would be a perfect sound for him, imagine him singing songs like Little L or Canned Heat - just right to recapture the Off the Wall sound. Exactly! When I listen to "Starchild" and "Time Won't Wait" (from Jamiroquai's last album 'Dynamite'),it reminds me of 'Off The Wall'.Both of those songs sound like outtakes from 'Off The Wall'.Jamiroquai are making the most impressive modern day disco/funk music.Imagine what they could do for Michael.They'll get him back to the FUNK! And best of all,there are no hop-hop elements in their music.Michael is not hip-hop.That style doesn't suit him at all.He needs to collaborate with songwriters/producers who have nothing to do with hip-hop. I remember loving Virtual Insanity and Cosmic Girl back in the day and wishing it was mj's song. | |
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midnightmover said: DarlingDiana said: No way. He was always shy and self conscious about singing/performing. Read his book. Wrong. Michael was shy generally, but when you put him near a microphone he would do what singers do. Sing. Look at when James Brown called him to the stage in '83. Mike was shy, but he did go up and he did sing and he did sound fantastic. Look at when Diana Ross called him up in '81. He came up, grabbed the microphone and rocked the house. If Diana Ross called him up to the stage now do you think he would do that? No, he would hug her, he would smile, he would say "I love you", he would point at people in the audience, but as for singing, forget it. Good point. Back in the '80s, Michael was a very different cat than today. Least when he came up there, he would sing or dance like he did with James and Diana but now, like you said, he'll probably come on the stage with Diana and hug her and blow kisses.  | |
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actually michael was singing in e minor when the track wasn't in that scale | |
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alphastreet said: actually michael was singing in e minor when the track wasn't in that scale
What, on "Dancing Machine"? I noticed he NEVER did that song live in like 20 years before the MSG performance. I still don't know why he NEVER performed it in his tours after "Triumph". | |
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Timmy84 said: midnightmover said: Wrong. Michael was shy generally, but when you put him near a microphone he would do what singers do. Sing. Look at when James Brown called him to the stage in '83. Mike was shy, but he did go up and he did sing and he did sound fantastic. Look at when Diana Ross called him up in '81. He came up, grabbed the microphone and rocked the house. If Diana Ross called him up to the stage now do you think he would do that? No, he would hug her, he would smile, he would say "I love you", he would point at people in the audience, but as for singing, forget it. Good point. Back in the '80s, Michael was a very different cat than today. Least when he came up there, he would sing or dance like he did with James and Diana but now, like you said, he'll probably come on the stage with Diana and hug her and blow kisses. Did you forget? Come on. Michael Jordan has also not been playing and I don´t think anyone would say that he´snot able to hit the basket anymore. Let´s wait for Mike to come back and show us what he´s still capable of. Back to his singing, I just wanted to say... did anyone notice the high notes he sings in Blood On the Dancefloor during the bridge? The background vocals, where he goes: "oooooh, blood on the dancefloor, oooooh, blood on the dancefloor..." That´s unbelievable. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: Good point. Back in the '80s, Michael was a very different cat than today. Least when he came up there, he would sing or dance like he did with James and Diana but now, like you said, he'll probably come on the stage with Diana and hug her and blow kisses. Did you forget? Come on. Michael Jordan has also not been playing and I don´t think anyone would say that he´snot able to hit the basket anymore. Let´s wait for Mike to come back and show us what he´s still capable of. Back to his singing, I just wanted to say... did anyone notice the high notes he sings in Blood On the Dancefloor during the bridge? The background vocals, where he goes: "oooooh, blood on the dancefloor, oooooh, blood on the dancefloor..." That´s unbelievable. Compare that to his 1983 spot with James and you can see his decline very clearly. Ignoring the dancing for a second, what singing did he do here? He grunted and did a "Woo!". Now don't get me wrong. As far as "Woo"s go, it was up there with the very best "Woo"s. There was nothing wrong with that "Woo!", but it was still just a "Woo!". And homeboy looked like he was totally out of it as well. Walking away for some reason when Bobby Byrd was trying to put the cape on him. Yet another embarrassing moment from '00s MJ. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: dag said: Did you forget? Come on. Michael Jordan has also not been playing and I don´t think anyone would say that he´snot able to hit the basket anymore. Let´s wait for Mike to come back and show us what he´s still capable of. Back to his singing, I just wanted to say... did anyone notice the high notes he sings in Blood On the Dancefloor during the bridge? The background vocals, where he goes: "oooooh, blood on the dancefloor, oooooh, blood on the dancefloor..." That´s unbelievable. Compare that to his 1983 spot with James and you can see his decline very clearly. Ignoring the dancing for a second, what singing did he do here? He grunted and did a "Woo!". Now don't get me wrong. As far as "Woo"s go, it was up there with the very best "Woo"s. There was nothing wrong with that "Woo!", but it was still just a "Woo!". And homeboy looked like he was totally out of it as well. Walking away for some reason when Bobby Byrd was trying to put the cape on him. Yet another embarrassing moment from '00s MJ. There´s nothing embarrasing for me about it. He just danced, so what? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: Compare that to his 1983 spot with James and you can see his decline very clearly. Ignoring the dancing for a second, what singing did he do here? He grunted and did a "Woo!". Now don't get me wrong. As far as "Woo"s go, it was up there with the very best "Woo"s. There was nothing wrong with that "Woo!", but it was still just a "Woo!". And homeboy looked like he was totally out of it as well. Walking away for some reason when Bobby Byrd was trying to put the cape on him. Yet another embarrassing moment from '00s MJ. There´s nothing embarrasing for me about it. He just danced, so what? Open your eyes. Byrd is trying to put the cape on him and Mike is walking off for some unknown reason. Watch it again. Oh, and Mike's dancing is nothing like what it used to be, even in just a small dose like that. Compare that spin with that incredible spin he did in '83 when James called him up. There is no comparison. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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He's nearly 50. 1983 was twentyfive years ago.... cut the guy some slack.
He's still a fucking genius no matter how well he spins these days. | |
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MattyJam said: He's nearly 50. 1983 was twentyfive years ago.... cut the guy some slack.
He's still a fucking genius no matter how well he spins these days. Exactly. Nice said. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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MattyJam said: He's nearly 50. 1983 was twentyfive years ago.... cut the guy some slack.
He's still a fucking genius no matter how well he spins these days. Age really doesn't matter, but I agree that this guy can still bring the heat, I disagree with the whole "he's lost it" debate. We the public haven't seen a true MJ performance on TV since MSG in 2001 | |
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2blax2proud said: MattyJam said: He's nearly 50. 1983 was twentyfive years ago.... cut the guy some slack.
He's still a fucking genius no matter how well he spins these days. Age really doesn't matter, but I agree that this guy can still bring the heat, I disagree with the whole "he's lost it" debate. We the public haven't seen a true MJ performance on TV since MSG in 2001 We saw an entire tour in 1997 that was shit. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I would assume the guy was just plum tired during the HIStory period and he was in no mood to perform at the BET awards but he did it for his idol anyway.  | |
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Timmy84 said: I would assume the guy was just plum tired during the HIStory period and he was in no mood to perform at the BET awards but he did it for his idol anyway.
What's the excuse for the MTV Awards 2001 with NSync? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I attended one of the HIStory shows in 97 and it was far from shit.
Okay, he lip-synched a lot and yeah, that bugs me. But the guy is such a showman and his dancing was still out of this world I was right at the back of a 75,000 capacity venue and yet the atmosphere of that show has never been matched for me (and I've seen a lot of acts live). It was just electric and I distinctly remember hearing a number of comments from people around me in the audience talking about how great the show was. He's Michael fucking Jackson. It was an honour to be in the stadium as the guy. End of. | |
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midnightmover said: Timmy84 said: I would assume the guy was just plum tired during the HIStory period and he was in no mood to perform at the BET awards but he did it for his idol anyway.
What's the excuse for the MTV Awards 2001 with NSync? I can't honestly tell you. Guy looked real sick during that period.  | |
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MattyJam said: He's nearly 50. 1983 was twentyfive years ago.... cut the guy some slack.
He's still a fucking genius no matter how well he spins these days. He was only 44 in that clip. JB was still killing it into his 60s. I saw a Paula Abdul performance the other day and I was surprised at how sharp her moves still were. I don't blame him for losing it of course. It's just a shame that he doesn't have his voice to make up for it. For me that is a much greater tragedy than his slowed-down dancing. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Just because he doesn't sing live often it doesn't mean he's lost his voice. What bull.
Whilst I care little for the material, his vocal delivery on much of Invincible is the best his voice has sounded in years. His performance on tracks like Speechless, We've Had Enough, Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait... it's world class. | |
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MattyJam said: I attended one of the HIStory shows in 97 and it was far from shit.
Okay, he lip-synched a lot and yeah, that bugs me. But the guy is such a showman and his dancing was still out of this world I was right at the back of a 75,000 capacity venue and yet the atmosphere of that show has never been matched for me (and I've seen a lot of acts live). It was just electric and I distinctly remember hearing a number of comments from people around me in the audience talking about how great the show was. He's Michael fucking Jackson. It was an honour to be in the same stadium as the guy. End of. Statements like this show that you're a Jackson worshipper who thinks everyone else should bow down too. Sorry amigo. I bow to no-one. If you've seen footage of the History Tour then you should know his dancing had slowed MASSIVELY. Being at the stadium you were probably blinded by the "electric atmosphere" that you remember so fondly. You were obviously very excited that day which may explain why your eyes temporarily failed you. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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MattyJam said: Just because he doesn't sing live often it doesn't mean he's lost his voice. What bull.
Whilst I care little for the material, his vocal delivery on much of Invincible is the best his voice has sounded in years. His performance on tracks like Speechless, We've Had Enough, Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait... it's world class. If you listen to him singing "I'll Be There" on the '97 leg of that tour you can hear his voice was almost totally gone. It was unbelievable. You won't find that footage on Youtube though as his fans are keeping it hidden. [Edited 3/21/08 11:42am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I've seen plenty of footage from the HIStory tour. Some of his performances of Billie Jean in particular were incredible. Some nights it ran on for over twelve minutes and his dancing was just unbelievable. Sure, he wasn't as fast as he was on the Dangerous tour, but his moves were far better. Great dancing is not all about speed. He was majestic on that stage and held 75,000 in awe with just a single spotlight and his dancing.
And so you were never actually in attendance at any of his HIStory shows? I think that says it all really. | |
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MattyJam said: I've seen plenty of footage from the HIStory tour. Some of his performances of Billie Jean in particular were incredible. Some nights it ran on for over twelve minutes and his dancing was just unbelievable. Sure, he wasn't as fast as he was on the Dangerous tour, but his moves were far better. Great dancing is not all about speed. He was majestic on that stage and held 75,000 in awe with just a single spotlight and his dancing.
And so you were never actually in attendance at any of his HIStory shows? I think that says it all really. Lunacy. And err, yes I did attend a History show. I saw him at Wembley.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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