dag said:

Being a better dancer than you is not good enough I'm afraid.

y'all some damn fools-

MJ may sing out of tune only because his arse is lazy and tired and has stopped practicing. a good voice is like a good body if you stop exercising it it goes to hell.

he will be just fine with some vocal exercises, focus and inspiration.

i don't think he has seen the point of making music since the first time those allegations came and and his life went to hell.

maybe fatherhood has reignited something special in him and i pray to God that he has gotten some therapy for his problems- all of them

y'all some damn fools-

MJ may sing out of tune only because his arse is lazy and tired and has stopped practicing. a good voice is like a good body if you stop exercising it it goes to hell.

he will be just fine with some vocal exercises, focus and inspiration.

i don't think he has seen the point of making music since the first time those allegations came and and his life went to hell.

maybe fatherhood has reignited something special in him and i pray to God that he has gotten some therapy for his problems- all of them

Evvy said:

This is dumb. MJ has worked with a vocal coach for decades. His name is Seth Riggs. He worked intensively with Mike right up until Invincible. Mike's voice would usually decline while he was on tour singing every night, so clearly the problem was not lack of exercise. Please get a clue. Mike hasn't done an all live concert in 21 years. The lip synching increased as his voice declined. Mike's had plenty of exercise working with Seth Riggs, recording numerous songs and touring over the last twenty one years so you need to drop that ridiculous argument.

Evvy said:

This is dumb. MJ has worked with a vocal coach for decades. His name is Seth Riggs. He worked intensively with Mike right up until Invincible. Mike's voice would usually decline while he was on tour singing every night, so clearly the problem was not lack of exercise. Please get a clue. Mike hasn't done an all live concert in 21 years. The lip synching increased as his voice declined. Mike's had plenty of exercise working with Seth Riggs, recording numerous songs and touring over the last twenty one years so you need to drop that ridiculous argument.

midnightmover said:

uhh- 'scuse me but has he toured since invincible?? no and the lip synching parts are because of choreography, fatigue and the fact that no one- i mean no one can have a pitch perfect voice if they are doing (singing) 5 shows a week with intense choreography and mess

recording one cd every 10 years doesn't count-

he needs to get off the couch - pull his draws out his butt and get serious about music again
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midnightmover said:

I am no entertainer, so I can´t tell, but I think it is very hard to sing and dance so much at the same time. Is there any other artist who can do that? I can´t think of one right now. They are usually either singing or dancing - not both at the same time, so probably as you get older, it gets more and more difficult. I really don´t know, but I think he sang beautifully "Smile" walking round with his kids in the Bashit interview for example.

Midnightlover, if you know the name of the song and the artist, please post it.
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Evvy said:

Is there any creature on earth dumber than the MJ fan? Y'all are a subspecies of mankind that needs to be studied. I'm deadly serious. Dude, he mimed almost the entire History Tour. He mimed half the Dangerous Tour. This is not a problem that just emerged recently. Michael mimes ballads as well as dance songs. What's your explanation for that? Do you have one? Have you ever actually thought about what you're saying? "Heal The World", "You Are Not Alone". There is no dancing in any of those songs so your explanation does not stack up. You're gonna have to find another excuse.

midnightmover said:

i'm not trying to make excuses for a 50 year old man-ok boo
boo

what i'm saying is that in a nut shell - no i dont believe your theory because i believe he is tired and has been tired since 1992- and that's why he threww in the towel and said the hell with it

he puts on his costume and gets on stage the same way anybody tired of working but gotta eat puts on they uniform and goes to work

his financial problems did not start over night either- if he didn't have them he would not have continued to work

michael aint different from his sister in that he let (in the past) his record company control him. he has gone along with some stupid stuff because of his contract

his management was wack and they allowed him to tour in that state which is why it will never happen again

Evvy said:

What I love about you MJ fans is that the only way you can defend him is by painting him as a passive imbecile being bossed around by other people. Anyone that knows anything about MJ knows that no-one has been able to boss him around since the mid '80s. To compare him to his puppet of a sister is ridiculous. And when you say "tour in that state", what state are you talking about? On the Dangerous tour he was in the best physical shape of his life. He never danced better. I'm still waiting for a new explanation as to why he mimed half that tour.

midnightmover said:

dag said:

Back in those days Michael had no fear of singing. Whatever the situation was he would just sing and think nothing of it. Those days are long gone. He doesn't have that confidence in his voice anymore.

InsatiableCream said:

Dance-wise Michael kicked ass on that tour. That show had many problems, but it certainly wasn't a lack of energy on Mike's part. Compare his dancing on that tour to the Victory tour. He's moving much better in '92 than in '84.

midnightmover said:

i dont really think so too me it looked like he was just going through the motions on the Dangerous tour

Beyonce:yes Jay, they're talking about that shit again

Jay Z: What?! Again?!

dag said:

That's because you MJ fans are constantly trying to ignore the fact that Mike's voice is shot, so none of your colleagues will tell you about these things. floetry's quote comes from a 2002 documentary shown in the UK. Like alphastreet already said, the "Keep The Faith" story comes from "Rolling Stone". It's pretty well known. It illustrates that Michael knew full well that his voice was in decline, but we knew that already. Why else did he start miming so much? This also explains why he is terrified of the stage now, since he can't sing or dance anymore.

midnightmover said:

It's kind of hard to say what he's capable of right now, since he hasn't given a full, prepared, live performance for awhile now, I want to see what he does soon before I could come to that conclusion. However, as a vocalist myself, I don't always sound good the minute I open my mouth to sing, cause I may not be giving it my all if I'm not in the mood. Like I'm on tune, but may not sing from my chest everytime I do sing. Everyone takes famous singers for granted and think they are superhuman and can sound perfect everytime, but sometimes it takes work, while other days it's easy to do so. In fact, when I read that story about mj (and I still have it with my collection), at first I was so shocked cause this was michael freaking jackson I was reading about, but then I felt better because it helped me realize that even high profile stars aren't always perfect.

Another thing I never see discussed by fans is how michael revealed to teddy riley that he regrets doing what he did to his skin or something like that, that kind of hit me hard too. It surprises me that not many fans appear to know about these articles.

I'm a fan too, but I'm not an ass kisser like I used to be when it comes to him.
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I'm sure he still can too, he's just being a lazy bum.

alphastreet said:

you got that right! If there's one thing about being a fan of the guy, you have to acquire a thing called "patience"

bboy87 said:

I'm not very patient and get pissed off easily, but though mj is my favourite, I'm also a huge fan of janet and have everything of hers, and almost every album of madonna and mariah, as well as albums from tons of other artists, so I'm usually occupied, and don't even play mj that much either like I used to, though that might change once the album is out.

What really gets to me is that many songs from other artists remind me of mj, as well as the moves, and if younger people are thinking those new guys are the shit, and mj is just a freak. It makes me want mj to come back quicker and find some way to show them all he did it first.
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I think it's fear he has of pleasing too many people. I don't think he's hiding, as ONE obvious fan (who doesn't post here, bboy, I think you know which member from the KOP/MJJC I'm talking about), tries to put it, but he feels like he has to scream on every track, lol.

alphastreet said:

co-sign