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PrintableThe word "pitch" in the same sentence as "MJ" grosses me out. 
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BlaqueKnight said: Michael Jackson's biggest musical character flaw is that he's a slave to popularity. Instead of using the greatest producers he can, he gets the most popular ones and then has a team re-work the songs. Its better to build something right from the ground up than to fix it once its been built.
He does that? No wonder why Invincible sucked ass. [Edited 3/19/08 13:51pm] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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hey mslegs... he wrote in in 1993 in Moscow during his Dangerous Tour. I just don't know the exact dates. October I guess.
He must have been unendlessley lonely in his hotel room, knowing the whoel world thinks of him as a child molester | |
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graecophilos said: hey mslegs... he wrote in in 1993 in Moscow during his Dangerous Tour. I just don't know the exact dates. October I guess.
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shorttrini said: BlaqueKnight said: Michael Jackson's biggest musical character flaw is that he's a slave to popularity. Instead of using the greatest producers he can, he gets the most popular ones and then has a team re-work the songs. Its better to build something right from the ground up than to fix it once its been built.
Michael's biggest flaw is that he is always trying to create another Thriller. This is the one thing that has prevented him from coming out with a successful album. If he would just go back and listen to what got him there in the first place, he would be fine. Thriller, was 25 years ago. Get back to basics. I think he should STOP working with these trendy hip-hop producers,and get back to basics!! He needs a strong,melodic single...something like Robin Thicke's "Lost Without You".A song like that could give him the comeback he so desperately seeks. | |
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SoulAlive said: shorttrini said: Michael's biggest flaw is that he is always trying to create another Thriller. This is the one thing that has prevented him from coming out with a successful album. If he would just go back and listen to what got him there in the first place, he would be fine. Thriller, was 25 years ago. Get back to basics. I think he should STOP working with these trendy hip-hop producers,and get back to basics!! He needs a strong,melodic single...something like Robin Thicke's "Lost Without You".A song like that could give him the comeback he so desperately seeks. I agree...But, this is only going to happen once he realizes that he will NEVER top the success of "Thriller". Once he does that, he will be fine. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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I think he needs to get away from Pop and R&B. He's done it to death. He needs to release the classical music he's been working on since 1978. | |
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shorttrini said: SoulAlive said: I think he should STOP working with these trendy hip-hop producers,and get back to basics!! He needs a strong,melodic single...something like Robin Thicke's "Lost Without You".A song like that could give him the comeback he so desperately seeks. I agree...But, this is only going to happen once he realizes that he will NEVER top the success of "Thriller". Once he does that, he will be fine. Agreed. | |
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DarlingDiana said: I think he needs to get away from Pop and R&B. He's done it to death. He needs to release the classical music he's been working on since 1978.
I think he just needs to stay away from shit hop.He needs to get away from folks like R.Kelly and will.i.am  It's too bad he won't work with Jamiroquai.They're making the type of modern-day funk/disco that Mike needs to be making! | |
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VoicesCarry said: dag said: Why are people so hard on MJ for not releasing any stuff lately? When was the last time you´ve heard from Sade, Lisa Stansfield etc. Nobody´s whining about that.
Lisa released an album in 2006. No one complains about artists like Sade or Annie Lennox because you don't hear hype for years on end that they're "working on new stuff". I know what you´re saying, guys, but I think after all those years, we should know that we shouldn´t take these gossips for real so let´s just take them as gossips. I am also dying to hear something new from him, but I know that I can only pray that it comes out soon and that I can believe it is going to be out only when it´s released. Mike´s albums are also worth waiting for. Even if anyone starts complaing that Invicible was not that great, I must tell you that I listen to it more often than I listen to all the Prince CD´s since Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic together. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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SoulAlive said: DarlingDiana said: I think he needs to get away from Pop and R&B. He's done it to death. He needs to release the classical music he's been working on since 1978.
I think he just needs to stay away from shit hop.He needs to get away from folks like R.Kelly and will.i.am It's too bad he won't work with Jamiroquai.They're making the type of modern-day funk/disco that Mike needs to be making!I'll second that comment about Jamiroquai. It would be a perfect sound for him, imagine him singing songs like Little L or Canned Heat - just right to recapture the Off the Wall sound. Still, even if these songs do exist (which I am skeptical about) the collaborators named so far means that they will probably be generic r'n'b that'll be dated by the time they're released. | |
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I don´t wanna start a new MJ thread, so I´ll just post it here. Although I think that only the fans of MJ - the man, will appreciate it, but this is one of the most touching speeches I´ve ever heard. And here´s another beautiful video. The only video made of pictures that i watched till the end. [Edited 3/20/08 11:25am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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What the hell does pitch perfect songs for a new generation mean? Does pitch supposed to mean tempo? If so, and they are perfect for a new generation, I guess that means he'll be making every song as slow as Lawrence Welk just like everyone else these days. It's a damn shame that a lot of the current generation has the musical taste of senior citizens. And then they have the nerve to say that my generation is just getting older.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: shorttrini said: Michael's biggest flaw is that he is always trying to create another Thriller. This is the one thing that has prevented him from coming out with a successful album. If he would just go back and listen to what got him there in the first place, he would be fine. Thriller, was 25 years ago. Get back to basics. I think he should STOP working with these trendy hip-hop producers,and get back to basics!! He needs a strong,melodic single...something like Robin Thicke's "Lost Without You".A song like that could give him the comeback he so desperately seeks. Hell to the naw! Michael is only around 50. He's not pushing 90. That shit's too slow. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: DarlingDiana said: I think he needs to get away from Pop and R&B. He's done it to death. He needs to release the classical music he's been working on since 1978.
I think he just needs to stay away from shit hop.He needs to get away from folks like R.Kelly and will.i.am It's too bad he won't work with Jamiroquai.They're making the type of modern-day funk/disco that Mike needs to be making!There ya' go. Now that's more like it. If he can't throw down, he needs to sit down. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Hell to the naw! Michael is only around 50. He's not pushing 90. That shit's too slow.
I love how everybody knows what´s best for MJ. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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JackieBlue said: VoicesCarry said: Lisa released an album in 2006. No one complains about artists like Sade or Annie Lennox because you don't hear hype for years on end that they're "working on new stuff". Which is exactly why I like them. When they’re gone, they stay gone. I think their fans make quite a stink about their absence and definitely want new material but we don’t hear constant whispers of them in the studio releasing an album year after year. They’re gone, and when they’re ready they drop an album which is usually worth the wait. Exactly. With Sade you don't get fictitious quotes from fictitious "sources" talking nonsense about "pitch perfect pop songs" and you don't have fans working themselves up into frenzies over their own guesswork. That's all any of their predictions ever are, wild guesswork. [Edited 3/20/08 11:49am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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BaileyWalker said: Something I have notice about most Michael Jackson press leaks when it comes to music it is always about HOW Great he sounds, how amazing his voice is, etc...
But for a good decade and a half he hasnt sang live for the most part? 99% of his tv performances are lip synced! In those lip synced performances if they turn the microphone on for a line or two, he is always out of key. Hmmmm.. They always seem to "try" to fool the public into his singing ability? It never works, we all know the cant sing, if he could he would! He just had a Thriller 25 "comeback" and what was it. Avoiding The Grammys because they wanted him to perform & a CGI Lizard commercial.  If he had all this talent he would promote by performing and not trying to milk another made up award. He has used that "promoting trick" for decades.Even floetry who produced "Butterflies" described how she had to constantly prod him in the studio to sing in tune, and in time, and with more power. This was some twenty year old girl from North London telling him to sing in tune, can you imagine? Fifteen years earlier she wouldn't have had to tell him shit. He would have nailed it in no time. [Edited 3/20/08 11:55am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: BaileyWalker said: Something I have notice about most Michael Jackson press leaks when it comes to music it is always about HOW Great he sounds, how amazing his voice is, etc...
But for a good decade and a half he hasnt sang live for the most part? 99% of his tv performances are lip synced! In those lip synced performances if they turn the microphone on for a line or two, he is always out of key. Hmmmm.. They always seem to "try" to fool the public into his singing ability? It never works, we all know the cant sing, if he could he would! He just had a Thriller 25 "comeback" and what was it. Avoiding The Grammys because they wanted him to perform & a CGI Lizard commercial. If he had all this talent he would promote by performing and not trying to milk another made up award. He has used that "promoting trick" for decades.Even floetry who produced "Butterflies" described how she had to constantly prod him in the studio to sing in tune, and in time, and with more power. This was some twenty year old girl from North London telling him to sing in tune, can you imagine? Fifteen years earlier she wouldn't have had to tell him shit. He would have nailed it in no time. [Edited 3/20/08 11:55am] In the Rolling Stone article from 1992, it was said that he couldn't sing Keep the Faith in tune and locked himself in a room crying and had to be comforted by Teddy Riley, then they changed the key it was recorded in so he could sing it better. He could sing, but it's so weird how he's out of pitch constantly now. I've had perfect pitch since I was 3 or 4 it was discovered, and am still pretty good at it, so I notice right away if someone sings off tune. I was cringing when he sang dancing machine at MSG. I think he was singing in D major, when the music was in e flat major, from what I can remember, I haven't watched it in years. [Edited 3/20/08 12:36pm] | |
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well.... what was the last time we heard him sing a song completely live?
there was that bit of We Are The World but that was okay. MJ did it sing that soft in the 1985 studuo version too. Then in 2001 there was the middle of You Rock My World he sung at the Madison Square Garden, which soudned off key and bad.. so... may it eb true? he can't sing anymore? is it because of his nose`?? if you think about it... even such simple songs like Elizabeth I Love you, where he didn't have to perform he did not sing live... | |
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alphastreet said: midnightmover said: Even floetry who produced "Butterflies" described how she had to constantly prod him in the studio to sing in tune, and in time, and with more power. This was some twenty year old girl from North London telling him to sing in tune, can you imagine? Fifteen years earlier she wouldn't have had to tell him shit. He would have nailed it in no time. [Edited 3/20/08 11:55am] In the Rolling Stone article from 1992, it was said that he couldn't sing Keep the Faith in tune and locked himself in a room crying and had to be comforted by Teddy Riley, then they changed the key it was recorded in so he could sing it better. He could sing, but it's so weird how he's out of pitch constantly now. I've had perfect pitch since I was 3 or 4 it was discovered, and am still pretty good at it, so I notice right away if someone sings off tune. I was cringing when he sang dancing machine at MSG. I think he was singing in D major, when the music was in e flat major, from what I can remember, I haven't watched it in years. [Edited 3/20/08 12:36pm] Where are you getting these stories from? I´ve never heard of any of them. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: alphastreet said: In the Rolling Stone article from 1992, it was said that he couldn't sing Keep the Faith in tune and locked himself in a room crying and had to be comforted by Teddy Riley, then they changed the key it was recorded in so he could sing it better. He could sing, but it's so weird how he's out of pitch constantly now. I've had perfect pitch since I was 3 or 4 it was discovered, and am still pretty good at it, so I notice right away if someone sings off tune. I was cringing when he sang dancing machine at MSG. I think he was singing in D major, when the music was in e flat major, from what I can remember, I haven't watched it in years. [Edited 3/20/08 12:36pm] Where are you getting these stories from? I´ve never heard of any of them. That's because you MJ fans are constantly trying to ignore the fact that Mike's voice is shot, so none of your colleagues will tell you about these things. floetry's quote comes from a 2002 documentary shown in the UK. Like alphastreet already said, the "Keep The Faith" story comes from "Rolling Stone". It's pretty well known. It illustrates that Michael knew full well that his voice was in decline, but we knew that already. Why else did he start miming so much? This also explains why he is terrified of the stage now, since he can't sing or dance anymore. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: dag said: Where are you getting these stories from? I´ve never heard of any of them. That's because you MJ fans are constantly trying to ignore the fact that Mike's voice is shot, so none of your colleagues will tell you about these things. floetry's quote comes from a 2002 documentary shown in the UK. Like alphastreet already said, the "Keep The Faith" story comes from "Rolling Stone". It's pretty well known. It illustrates that Michael knew full well that his voice was in decline, but we knew that already. Why else did he start miming so much? This also explains why he is terrified of the stage now, since he can't sing or dance anymore. Come on. I am not saying he´s in a great shape now, but I don´t think it´s possible not to be able to sing or dance at all when you have been so great at it most of your life. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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graecophilos said: i go there with you... you just have to take a look: since thriller he always puts a "Rock"-song on his album.
Dirty Diana Give In To Me D.S. Privacy but they became worse each time... it's just that MJ's missing a thing called artistic integrity. he never tries to express himself at all. Stranger in Moscow was something special. Well, most of the HIStory album was personal but not really. there's still a distance... I think the older he becomes the more distant he gets... i think Give Into Me is one of his finest songs ever | |
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InsatiableCream said: graecophilos said: i go there with you... you just have to take a look: since thriller he always puts a "Rock"-song on his album.
Dirty Diana Give In To Me D.S. Privacy but they became worse each time... it's just that MJ's missing a thing called artistic integrity. he never tries to express himself at all. Stranger in Moscow was something special. Well, most of the HIStory album was personal but not really. there's still a distance... I think the older he becomes the more distant he gets... i think Give Into Me is one of his finest songs ever What was that personal about Bad, Thriller, or Off the wall. I believe History was his most personal album. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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oh yes,
i totally fucking agree, the only band out there that can possibly bring MJ back out is Jamiroquai, just let Jaykay sort MJ out, and bring funk back. Jamiroquai has consistently been one of the funkiest bands around. its time for MJ to collaborate with the genius of Jay Kay and sort it out, fuck r kelly and will i am who is wyclefs twin brother. its time for party  | |
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dirtyman2005 said: oh yes,
i totally fucking agree, the only band out there that can possibly bring MJ back out is Jamiroquai, just let Jaykay sort MJ out, and bring funk back. Jamiroquai has consistently been one of the funkiest bands around. its time for MJ to collaborate with the genius of Jay Kay and sort it out, fuck r kelly and will i am who is wyclefs twin brother. its time for party I love Jamiroquai. They would be great together. That´s true. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: That's because you MJ fans are constantly trying to ignore the fact that Mike's voice is shot, so none of your colleagues will tell you about these things. floetry's quote comes from a 2002 documentary shown in the UK. Like alphastreet already said, the "Keep The Faith" story comes from "Rolling Stone". It's pretty well known. It illustrates that Michael knew full well that his voice was in decline, but we knew that already. Why else did he start miming so much? This also explains why he is terrified of the stage now, since he can't sing or dance anymore. Come on. I am not saying he´s in a great shape now, but I don´t think it´s possible not to be able to sing or dance at all when you have been so great at it most of your life. He hasn't been great at it for years now. He's been sounding crap live since the late '80s and dancing crap since the mid '90s. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: dag said: Come on. I am not saying he´s in a great shape now, but I don´t think it´s possible not to be able to sing or dance at all when you have been so great at it most of your life. He hasn't been great at it for years now. He's been sounding crap live since the late '80s and dancing crap since the mid '90s. Oh really? I wish I have been that crappy at dancing like him. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: He hasn't been great at it for years now. He's been sounding crap live since the late '80s and dancing crap since the mid '90s. Oh really? I wish I have been that crappy at dancing like him. Being a better dancer than you is not good enough I'm afraid. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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