IT'S DRIFTED OFF-TOPIC...

And I lost interest on page 2 but there's no reason for it to be locked.

ehuffnsd said:

PurpleKnight said:

yes you're right, except about Invincible- I really love that album. Each to their own. But yeah, no songs have been leaked and I think someone made a valid point earlier- "what are they gonna say? That the songs are shit?" Of course not.

We won't know that they are 'pitch perfect pop songs' till we hear them.

Please let it sound like either Dangerous or the first half of HIStory

PurpleKnight said:

Please let it sound like nothing he's ever done before.

Seriously, what's up with everyone wanting him to do another Off The Wall, another Thriller, another Dangerous or another HIStory? Whatever happened to doing something new?

DarlingDiana said:

I know, but MJ has never really changed his sound all that drastically. I don't really expect that from him. He ain't Prince.

PurpleKnight said:

Yeh but Prince has never really changed his sound successfully. He's tried. But never really succeeded. He only succeeds at making good music when he sticks to the pop/rock/soul stuff. When he goes off into jazz and crap, it just turns out a mess.

DarlingDiana said:

That's one way of looking at it. I just like any MJ that sounds similar to the Thriller-era material.

MJ hasn't got much artistic integrity, so seeing it as business is no shame: and his most successfull (and best) tracks are from OTW and Thriller. They're good poppy songs with an R'n'b vibe.
I can't understand why people want him to do another New Jack Swing or wahtever it's called album. Why not making good songs with strong melodies and beats everyone likes?
he has to attract non-fans, since his hardcore fans will buy his album anyway. And really, who but his strange fans like Unbreakable. It's a song MJ can dance to but can you see other people dance to it?

graecophilos said:

You´re kidding, right?

graecophilos said:

Interesting statement. He had more number ones from Bad (5) and his longest running number one was Black or White. He had 2 number ones from Off The Wall and 2 from thriller. 5 from Bad, 1 from Dangerous and 1 from HIStory. (all stats from the united states). Billie Jean, Beat It, Thriller, Earth Song, Black or White and You Are Not Alone are his most successful singles ever.

I agree that I wouldn't want him to revert back to doing anything. New Jack Swing is wonderful but needs to be left in the 90's where it belongs. I fully concur with this:



But not sure about the Unbreakable thing (strange fans?)- it's a great song. I never saw it as a dance track though, it's more of a self proclamation track. I agree only Mj could dance to it. It's like "Dangerous" though- I can't see anyone else being able to dance to that...

Does anyone really believe that he's recording a new album, let alone releasing one ?

Apart from a load of r'n'b chancers talking vaguely about 'maybe, doing something, looking at working with' MJ there's no official confirmation at all. We certainly can't take what his spokeswoman says seriously from previous experience.

Akon, Will I Am have talked about working with him but that increasingly looks like it was just for the Thriller 25 album.

There's been no leaks of demos or tracklists, no signs or photos of him coming out of a studio regularly, no indiscreet comments from musicians working with him. This is the 24 hour digital media age where MJ can hardly have lunch with his kids without being photographed.

It just doesn't add up.

As for the fans saying he's going to suprise us, he hasn't done it before. I don't remember going into a record store in the late 80's, seeing a copy of Bad and thinking, "He's got a new album out. He kept that quiet !".

Besides, all that mystery stuff might have worked in 1983 but it won't now - he's lost too much good will and people are moving on. It wouldn't kill him to talk to his fans about what he's doing from time to time rather than just releasing a vague 'I love you all' video a couple of times a year whilst accepting some spurious award.

marnifrances said:

Yet again you're being devious without even knowing it. The people who said that were people who worked with him in the '70s. Name one person who said that from the '90s or '00s.

And no-one is saying that he can't sing at all. We're saying he can only sing in short, concentrated bursts and so it takes ages to get a satisfactory overall vocal, whereas he used to do it in one or two takes. I suggest you check out the 2002 documentary "The Essential Michael Jackson". In it, floetry describes how she had to prod him to stay in tune and get his timing right when they were recording "Butterflies". I can assure you no-one had to correct him like that when he nailed "Rock With You" in two takes in 1979.

I hate to point out another of your self-deceptions, but you say we don't know why he mimes nowadays because he hasn't told us. Yet he never told us why he mimed on the Bad and Dangerous tours either, yet you accept that he mimed there because of vocal problems. Since Michael or his people have NEVER SAID THAT, how comes you're willing to accept it in those cases? Please show me where Michael said that. You won't be able to do that because once again you are confusing fan-talk with official announcements.

pjh1972 said:

Those collaborators have said that they are working on new material with him that is separate from the Thriller 25 album, and he's been sighted several times in Las Vegas this year with photos being published, but most of the time without photos. The most recent sighting was just the other day, having lunch at Planet Hollywood with his kids.

These are recent quotes from artists working on the new album (from Feb)





And these from January:






There were also recent pictures of Michael in the studio from January (he'd finished Thriller 25 in November).

There is evidence he is working on an album- no one knows how long it will take You're right- fans are getting VERY frustrated. The last personal thing we got was last year in the form of a letter that said he was looking forward to announcing exciting projects he's been working on or something and that video from the NRJ awards that said "There is still much more to come from michael jackson".

I do believe we will get an album, I just don't know when....

DarlingDiana said:

Is that whiskey I smell on your breath? Have you heard "Dirty Mind"? Do you think it sounds like "1999"? Do you think "1999" sounds like "Parade"? Does "Parade" sound like ""? Does that sound like "The Truth"? No. Prince has changed his sound plenty, and with great results.
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midnightmover said:

"self deceptions", "fan talk", "devious"- I MUST be delusional, right?

All this shit and it's obvious to me you have not read my posts. I hate having to repeat myself. As per a previous post, a spokesperson spoke about Michael's vocal problems twice on the Dangerous tour and these official statements are in "The Visual Documentary". Same goes for the bad tour. THAT is NOT fan talk.

And I am talking about the Invincible and HIStory recording sessions, and there are quotes. I am just not going to bother finding them because no matter what I say, or back it up with, you will find some way to tell me how deceptive or wrong I am.
[Edited 3/31/08 6:10am]

marnifrances said:

That's just it. You haven't backed up anything. I would love to hear the quotes from the Invincible sessions saying how Michael recorded his vocals in one or two takes, but you will never produce those quotes because they don't exist.

P.S. And just to clarify. I did read your claim about official statements on the "Dangerous" and "Bad" tours. I just question whether they ever actually said "He'll be miming because of vocal problems". And if they did, (which they didn't) then it baffles me that you don't think he mimed the History Tour for the same reason, especially since you've already conceded that "his voice got worse over the years".
[Edited 3/31/08 7:14am]

marnifrances said:

I don't see how being photographed with his kids having lunch whilst in Vegas is proof that he's recording a new album.

Also, I have no doubt that he has been doing bits and pieces with Akon, Will I Am etc. before and after the Thriller 25 album in a vague, kicking around ideas sort of way but again that doesn't prove he's recording a new album either.

When these various r'n'b 'acts' are asked about it they respond like kids who have been caught making up stories by their parents i.e. in a vague and unconvincing way.

As for the photo of him in the studio in January, that could've been for final mixing and previews of Thriller 25. That doesn't prove he's recording a new album either.

I would love a new album from MJ more than from any other artist at the moment but I have been dissapointed enough to know that it's probably pointless to expect anything.
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You know whats sad, this shouldn't have 9 pages? Who doesnt know or cant tell this guy has lip synced his whole solo career? Look at every major tv appearance, every single one was lip synced. Why?

His prime-his peak:Motown 25 lip synced,His Bad Comeback the major performace after Thriller: 1988 Grammys lip sycned,The Superbowl what is bigger and lip synced, MTV in 1995 lip syncing for 10-15 minutes & 2001 MSG 2 concerts were totally lip synced again, you can see for cbs they pasted both concerts together to try to fool the public that he hasnt totally slipped dancing now, sure lip synced for his career. You can clearly see this in the billie jean performance.

I'd say the most shocking thing is even with these lip sycned tracks, listen to all his songs, the vocals aren't that amazing. There is barely any range to his voice! Just like his sister Janet. They both have about the same range, there isn't many high notes or low notes. The Jacksons dont have amazing voices, sure they decent. But nothing to write home about. Now whats shocking is this guy "needs" to lip sync?

BaileyWalker said:

It's a bit ridiculous to say he has no range. He clearly has. It's also ridiculous to liken him to Janet who's only ever had one way of singing - weak. However, it is shocking that he needs to lip synch. If even Madonna can sing live then there's no excuse for Jackson. Which is why I'd prefer it if he just retired and found other things to do. It's like a boxer long past his prime still hanging around the ring dreaming of reclaiming past glories. It's best to just move on (although I'm sure that's easier said than done).

pjh1972 said:

Exactly. All of those quotes confirm that nothing concrete is happening. It's all talks, plans and false starts. It's obvious no songs have been recorded with these people.

Wasn't his entire set with his brothers at MSG live?

I'm pretty sure it was, and on the whole, he sounded pretty good.

marnifrances said:

Well, that's his total schtick... he's just argueing for arguing's sake... he loves to hear himself talk and be condescending to people! It's a total waste of time to seriously argue anything with him!

A couple of pages back he asked "Who is more stupid than MJ Fans?" or something to that effect! Well, the answer would be, the person who thinks he knows it all and doesn't even consider the possibility that his theories and assumptions... and that's all MM is spouting all the time, could be wrong!

Slash reckons no new MJ music anytime soon.

PatrickS77 said:

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DarlingDiana said:

But then again, Will's not the only person working with Michael at the moment

pjh1972 said:

About the demos and tracklists. None of MJ's albums have had issues like that. Even Invincible didn't have a leak until about a month before the album was released, which was an alternate mix of You Rock My World

PatrickS77 said:

My "theories and assumptions" are always backed up with LOGIC! That's the difference between you and me.

DarlingDiana said:

It's obvious from the quotes marnifrances produced, that will.i.am's experience is typical. Michael is happy to talk and tease, but he is not serious about producing new material. Perhaps meeting with them makes him feel relevant and important, but as former associates told us years ago, the fire in his belly has gone.
[Edited 4/2/08 5:21am]

midnightmover said:

You don't accept any logic when it didn't originate from you! Besides, you can defend your theories and assumptions as being logical as long as you want, but at the end of the day it's still only theories and assumptions!