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Nick Cave "No more shall we part" appreciation Just listened to this CD again last night, and God, what a brilliant record this is. The first three songs are just a perfect flow, and everything else that follows is almost perfect as well.
WHAT A CAPTIVATING RECORD - everyone should hear it... Anyone else agrees  |
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it's a very pretty album - i think he's at the top of his form as a songwriter on this one. | |
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Does have a connection 2 Barry Adamson? | |
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my fav album of his is still "the boatman's call" but i do love
no more shall we part as well. as i sat sadly by her side hallelujah 15 feet of pure white snow darker with the day those are my favorit songs from the album. the best moment on the entire album is imo the fade out on Hallelujah where nick is whailing and moaning and slowly fading whilst those lovely female backings come right to the front: the tears are welling in my eyes again i need 20 big buckets to catch them in 20 pretty girls to carry them down 20 deep holes do burry them in  and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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Graycap23 said: Does have a connection 2 Barry Adamson?
nick featured on adamson's album "oedipus schmoedipus" i think the song is called "the sweetest embrace" it's a nice track. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: Graycap23 said: Does have a connection 2 Barry Adamson?
nick featured on adamson's album "oedipus schmoedipus" i think the song is called "the sweetest embrace" it's a nice track. Barry was a founding member of The Bad Seeds (he co-wrote From Her To Eternity, Tupelo and others). He played bass in the band from 1984 through to 1986. He left during the Your Funeral My Trial sessions. It was obviously an amicable parting because some of the Bad Seeds appeared on his debut album, Moss Side Story, and he's gone on to work with Nick Cave since. Cave recently appeared on stage with him last year. Barry's supporting Nick Cave on two of his London dates in May. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: IstenSzek said: nick featured on adamson's album "oedipus schmoedipus" i think the song is called "the sweetest embrace" it's a nice track. Barry was a founding member of The Bad Seeds (he co-wrote From Her To Eternity, Tupelo and others). He played bass in the band from 1984 through to 1986. He left during the Your Funeral My Trial sessions. It was obviously an amicable parting because some of the Bad Seeds appeared on his debut album, Moss Side Story, and he's gone on to work with Nick Cave since. Cave recently appeared on stage with him last year. Barry's supporting Nick Cave on two of his London dates in May. Thanks 4 the info. barry is one of my favorite cats. [Edited 3/16/08 7:59am] | |
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Good album. My favourite tracks are "As I Sat Sadly By Her Side", and "Hallelujah". “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Krid said: Just listened to this CD again last night, and God, what a brilliant record this is. The first three songs are just a perfect flow, and everything else that follows is almost perfect as well.
WHAT A CAPTIVATING RECORD - everyone should hear it... Anyone else agrees This is the first one of his albums I didn't like (and I've been a fan for - ahem - a VERY long time, like before Prayers on Fire came out). Some of it played like a poor man's Boatman's Call, then there was the clumsy attempt at sociological comment (God is in the House), all that crap about kittens, mittens and flowers, the way most of the songs started the same. Most of all it was something no Nick Cave album had been before that - boring. There were some good bits - two, in fact: Love Letter was beautiful, like Van Morrison's Tupelo Honey condensed into one song, and Darker With The Day has one of the funniest pay-offs: Amateurs, dilettantes, hacks, cowboys, clones The streets groan with little Caesars, Napoleons and cunts [i] Of course, he then he went on and made the even more boring Nocturama - so boring that Blixa Bargeld promptly left the group. What do you think of the new album? [Edited 3/14/08 10:43am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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The new album is a masterpiece in my opinion.
I love his frantic, madman records ("The Curse of Millhaven" for example) and the new album has at least three of these moments. We Call Upon The Author is excellent. Midnight Man is a great song and sounds like it could be taken right off Let Love In with that awesome hammond organ. The only tracks I'm not fussed on are Night Of The Lotus Eaters and Albert Goes West. I loved this album so much I've bought tickets to see him in London in June. | |
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MattyJam said: The new album is a masterpiece in my opinion.
I love his frantic, madman records ("The Curse of Millhaven" for example) and the new album has at least three of these moments. We Call Upon The Author is excellent. Midnight Man is a great song and sounds like it could be taken right off Let Love In with that awesome hammond organ. The only tracks I'm not fussed on are Night Of The Lotus Eaters and Albert Goes West. I loved this album so much I've bought tickets to see him in London in June. Wish I liked it as much as you, Matty. In fact, I wish I liked it at all. He seems obsessed with his fame, writing lyrics about signing autographs, getting mobbed by fans, going to parties full of of famous people. There are a few good moments on it though. Jesus of the Moon, More News from Nowhere in particular are great (although the latter is all about his "friends in high places"). It's no masterpiece though. Far from it. Boatman's Call, Let Love In, Tender Prey, Your Funeral My Trial are masterpieces. Lazarus is mostly half-naked Grinderman also-rans. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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I disagree.
I don't think he's obsessed with his fame. I think you're taking his lyrics too literally. Do you not hear his complete manic urgency in We Call Upon The Author? This is Nick Cave at his best IMO. And his phrasing on the title track - it's just so quirky and cool! | |
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MattyJam said: I disagree.
I don't think he's obsessed with his fame. I think you're taking his lyrics too literally. Do you not hear his complete manic urgency in We Call Upon The Author? This is Nick Cave at his best IMO. And his phrasing on the title track - it's just so quirky and cool! I'm not taking the lyrics literally at all, just looking at the subtext. "We Call Upon the Author" is ok, but David Byrne did the same thing (calling out God on the world's woes) on "Oh Oh" and was funnier (and funkier about it) about it. Cave also namechecks writers in the same way he did "There She Goes My Beautiful World" on Abattoir Blues. Where you hear "manic urgency" I hear a man repeating himself in cod-theatrical DECLAMATORY tones!!! ("Prolix! Prolix! Nothing a pair of scissors can't fix!" is a ridiculous lyric) The title track is utterly boring. The Lazarus take transplanted to New York - oooooh! zoweee! And Lazarus becomes a celebrity too (that fame subtext). But we'll agree to disagree. Music's completely subjective. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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MattyJam said: I disagree.
I don't think he's obsessed with his fame. I think you're taking his lyrics too literally. Do you not hear his complete manic urgency in We Call Upon The Author? This is Nick Cave at his best IMO. And his phrasing on the title track - it's just so quirky and cool! whoa! new album from nick cave! small circles, big wheels!
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Shapeshifter said: MattyJam said: I disagree.
I don't think he's obsessed with his fame. I think you're taking his lyrics too literally. Do you not hear his complete manic urgency in We Call Upon The Author? This is Nick Cave at his best IMO. And his phrasing on the title track - it's just so quirky and cool! I'm not taking the lyrics literally at all, just looking at the subtext. "We Call Upon the Author" is ok, but David Byrne did the same thing (calling out God on the world's woes) on "Oh Oh" and was funnier (and funkier about it) about it. Cave also namechecks writers in the same way he did "There She Goes My Beautiful World" on Abattoir Blues. Where you hear "manic urgency" I hear a man repeating himself in cod-theatrical DECLAMATORY tones!!! ("Prolix! Prolix! Nothing a pair of scissors can't fix!" is a ridiculous lyric) The title track is utterly boring. The Lazarus take transplanted to New York - oooooh! zoweee! And Lazarus becomes a celebrity too (that fame subtext). But we'll agree to disagree. Music's completely subjective. I agree with you mostly cave has some very dull moments and some very cool moments too. I keep my expectations low with him and he sometimes suprises me small circles, big wheels!
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Rightly said: Shapeshifter said: I'm not taking the lyrics literally at all, just looking at the subtext. "We Call Upon the Author" is ok, but David Byrne did the same thing (calling out God on the world's woes) on "Oh Oh" and was funnier (and funkier about it) about it. Cave also namechecks writers in the same way he did "There She Goes My Beautiful World" on Abattoir Blues. Where you hear "manic urgency" I hear a man repeating himself in cod-theatrical DECLAMATORY tones!!! ("Prolix! Prolix! Nothing a pair of scissors can't fix!" is a ridiculous lyric) The title track is utterly boring. The Lazarus take transplanted to New York - oooooh! zoweee! And Lazarus becomes a celebrity too (that fame subtext). But we'll agree to disagree. Music's completely subjective. I agree with you mostly cave has some very dull moments and some very cool moments too. I keep my expectations low with him and he sometimes suprises me someone please tell how the new album is small circles, big wheels!
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Rightly said: Rightly said: I agree with you mostly cave has some very dull moments and some very cool moments too. I keep my expectations low with him and he sometimes suprises me someone please tell how the new album is Matty says it's a masterpiece, give or take a couple of songs. I think it's turgid, lumpen, you know exactly what's round the corner predictable, give or take a couple of very good songs. So, polarised views. If you got into Cave fairly recently (say the four to five years ago), you'll probably really enjoy it because it's a loud, brash album. Think Grinderman cut with more melody and spooky organ. If you're an old duffer like me who saw The Birthday Party supporting Bauhaus, you'll think it's really scraping the barrel, quality wise. You'll scratch your threadbare head and bemoan the lack of surprises, good tunes, killer lyrics. You'll say it's raunch by rote, you'll say it's not evolution but devolution etc etc. Granted, it's not the boreathon Nocturama was. It's Grindercodger. How's that? But that's just me. If you want to hear really great Nick Cave related albums, get Barry Adamson and Einstuerzende Neubauten's new ones. They're both masterpieces. And their creators are also in their 50s. Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb. [Edited 3/15/08 6:12am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Rightly said: someone please tell how the new album is Matty says it's a masterpiece, give or take a couple of songs. I think it's turgid, lumpen, you know exactly what's round the corner predictable, give or take a couple of very good songs. So, polarised views. If you got into Cave fairly recently (say the four to five years ago), you'll probably really enjoy it because it's a loud, brash album. Think Grinderman cut with more melody and spooky organ. If you're an old duffer like me who saw The Birthday Party supporting Bauhaus, you'll think it's really scraping the barrel, quality wise. You'll scratch your threadbare head and bemoan the lack of surprises, good tunes, killer lyrics. You'll say it's raunch by rote, you'll say it's not evolution but devolution etc etc. Granted, it's not the boreathon Nocturama was. It's Grindercodger. How's that? But that's just me. If you want to hear really great Nick Cave related albums, get Barry Adamson and Einstuerzende Neubauten's new ones. They're both masterpieces. And their creators are also in their 50s. Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb. [Edited 3/15/08 6:12am] thanks for the reply I´m fairly new to cave (about 8 years), and only a moderate fan. the boatman´s call was a masterpiece. "Rock of Gibraltar" from nocturama is an unbearable song though. 
I´ve never really checked the fall but I will. small circles, big wheels!
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Rightly said: Shapeshifter said: Matty says it's a masterpiece, give or take a couple of songs. I think it's turgid, lumpen, you know exactly what's round the corner predictable, give or take a couple of very good songs. So, polarised views. If you got into Cave fairly recently (say the four to five years ago), you'll probably really enjoy it because it's a loud, brash album. Think Grinderman cut with more melody and spooky organ. If you're an old duffer like me who saw The Birthday Party supporting Bauhaus, you'll think it's really scraping the barrel, quality wise. You'll scratch your threadbare head and bemoan the lack of surprises, good tunes, killer lyrics. You'll say it's raunch by rote, you'll say it's not evolution but devolution etc etc. Granted, it's not the boreathon Nocturama was. It's Grindercodger. How's that? But that's just me. If you want to hear really great Nick Cave related albums, get Barry Adamson and Einstuerzende Neubauten's new ones. They're both masterpieces. And their creators are also in their 50s. Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb. [Edited 3/15/08 6:12am] thanks for the reply I´m fairly new to cave (about 8 years), and only a moderate fan. the boatman´s call was a masterpiece. "Rock of Gibraltar" from nocturama is an unbearable song though.
I´ve never really checked the fall but I will. When Cave does Rock of Gibraltar in Grinderman mode (i.e with just his skeletal "solo" backing band, as opposed to the Bad Seeds) it's suddenly transformed into a great song. Yeah, I know, hard to credit it, but it's true. He plays this very loud, jagged, fuzzy guitar throughout and completely salvages it from his creative toilet. Nocturama, the album, was a dud, but the title song (which came out on the B Sides compilation) is superb. Why he didn't put it on the main album is a mind-boggling mystery. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb.
I'm on my fifth listen now (thank you), and I have to agree that the new Fall album is a corker. I have a couple of Barry Adamson's albums, one of which (Soul Murder) I thought was absolutely excellent and one of which (King of Nothing Hill) I thought was kinda dreary. I'll give the new one a try... [Edited 3/15/08 7:05am] | |
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Rightly said: Shapeshifter said: Matty says it's a masterpiece, give or take a couple of songs. I think it's turgid, lumpen, you know exactly what's round the corner predictable, give or take a couple of very good songs. So, polarised views. If you got into Cave fairly recently (say the four to five years ago), you'll probably really enjoy it because it's a loud, brash album. Think Grinderman cut with more melody and spooky organ. If you're an old duffer like me who saw The Birthday Party supporting Bauhaus, you'll think it's really scraping the barrel, quality wise. You'll scratch your threadbare head and bemoan the lack of surprises, good tunes, killer lyrics. You'll say it's raunch by rote, you'll say it's not evolution but devolution etc etc. Granted, it's not the boreathon Nocturama was. It's Grindercodger. How's that? But that's just me. If you want to hear really great Nick Cave related albums, get Barry Adamson and Einstuerzende Neubauten's new ones. They're both masterpieces. And their creators are also in their 50s. Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb. [Edited 3/15/08 6:12am] thanks for the reply I´m fairly new to cave (about 8 years), and only a moderate fan. the boatman´s call was a masterpiece. "Rock of Gibraltar" from nocturama is an unbearable song though.
I´ve never really checked the fall but I will. We can safely assume that you'll love Lazarus and curse my name when it grips you with its serrated teeth and tosses you around the room with joyful abandon. [Edited 3/15/08 7:08am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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damosuzuki said: Shapeshifter said: Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb.
I'm on my fifth listen now (thank you), and I have to agree that the new Fall album is a corker. I have a couple of Barry Adamson albums, one of which (Soul Murder) I thought was absolutely excellent and one of which (King of Nothing Hill) I thought was kinda dreary. I'll give the new one a try... You need Moss Side Story (his debut), As Above So Below (his first full vocal album) and Oedipus Schmoedipus (which has guest vocalists on it - including Herr Cave). They're superb. I wouldn't call King of Nothing Hill dreary, exactly, but it does have a transitional quality to it. It's got Black Amour on it, which is the greatest and funniest Barry White song since Baby Blue. And then there's That Fool Was Me, which should give you a hint of what the new one's like. The new album's basically his "poppiest" yet, but it has all the elements of his best work there too. [Edited 3/15/08 7:10am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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damosuzuki said: Shapeshifter said: Then there's always the new Fall album (Mark E Smith is 50, but looks like an Inca mummy), which, against all ods, is quite superb.
I'm on my fifth listen now (thank you), and I have to agree that the new Fall album is a corker. I have a couple of Barry Adamson's albums, one of which (Soul Murder) I thought was absolutely excellent and one of which (King of Nothing Hill) I thought was kinda dreary. I'll give the new one a try... [Edited 3/15/08 7:05am] Ah, you've heard the new Fall album too? Evil place, the internet. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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