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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: You just compared Beyoncé's talent as akin to Rihanna and Madonna. You're too biased to have a logical discussion on the topic. Songs like "Me Myself and I" and "I Can't Take No More" demonstrate a nice range of dynamics. Rihanna and Madonna can't sing worth a damn. I agree, Bey is no Aretha. Beyoncé is not "my girl", I was just stating her strengths and weaknesses. Aretha could never put on a show like Beyoncé could, either. Not everyone has the same strengths ad weaknesses. The MUSIC has no dynamics these days, is usually no longer than three minutes or so and is geared to an audience that is not used to listening to dynamics, either. Beyoncé is a pop star. Her label tells her what to sing and she sings it. What you said is covered by what I said earlier - SHE IS NOT TRYING TO BE AN EXTRAORDINARY SINGER, but a top pop performer who sings and dances. The new music business is not like how it was back in Aretha's days. Someone who LOOKS like Aretha wouldn't even get a shot at Beyoncé's spot. Its fucked up but true. Rachelle Ferrell has been shafted her whole musical career in my opinion. She has one of the best voices in the business but has been pushed into doing jazz for the most part, just like great musicians who want to shine have to do these days. The business is what it is. You can't blame homegirl for choosing to play by the rules with Matty Knowles as her daddy.
Two things, first NO ONE from back in the day would be given a chance today, mainly because none of them had the LOOK and also none of them sold out the box, and thats what YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY, i dont care who you are, you have to sell album one or your gone. Second thing would be that Madonna is more interesting than Beyonce could ever PRAY to be, and it has nothing to do with vocals, and this is coming from someone who is not a CRAZED madonna fan. artistically Madonna dancing circles around Beyonce. Its not even close to being about Vocals, look at Bob Dylan, that man cant sing at all but he is more effective than say a Pop Male like a Timberlake, though justin is at the Top of the scene. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Two things, first NO ONE from back in the day would be given a chance today, mainly because none of them had the LOOK and also none of them sold out the box, and thats what YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY, i dont care who you are, you have to sell album one or your gone. Second thing would be that Madonna is more interesting than Beyonce could ever PRAY to be, and it has nothing to do with vocals, and this is coming from someone who is not a CRAZED madonna fan. artistically Madonna dancing circles around Beyonce. Its not even close to being about Vocals, look at Bob Dylan, that man cant sing at all but he is more effective than say a Pop Male like a Timberlake, though justin is at the Top of the scene. Madonna is from a different era that preceeded the big business change for music. Bey has been around 10 years, Madonna - 25 or so. Vocally, Madonna is nowhere near capable of doing what Beyoncé does. She's had a million lessons and still isn't a great vocalist. Again - different set of strengths and weaknesses. Madonna is a better dancer for sure. People have to play to their strengths and cover their weaknesses until they improve them enough. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: Two things, first NO ONE from back in the day would be given a chance today, mainly because none of them had the LOOK and also none of them sold out the box, and thats what YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY, i dont care who you are, you have to sell album one or your gone. Second thing would be that Madonna is more interesting than Beyonce could ever PRAY to be, and it has nothing to do with vocals, and this is coming from someone who is not a CRAZED madonna fan. artistically Madonna dancing circles around Beyonce. Its not even close to being about Vocals, look at Bob Dylan, that man cant sing at all but he is more effective than say a Pop Male like a Timberlake, though justin is at the Top of the scene. Madonna is from a different era that preceeded the big business change for music. Bey has been around 10 years, Madonna - 25 or so. Vocally, Madonna is nowhere near capable of doing what Beyoncé does. She's had a million lessons and still isn't a great vocalist. Again - different set of strengths and weaknesses. Madonna is a better dancer for sure. People have to play to their strengths and cover their weaknesses until they improve them enough. But more importantly Madonna is more "artistically" interesting through her Career, where Beyonce has stayed at the same level with her music, and that for the most part is her apprehension to not push the envelope, but that isnt the type of artist she is, she is more like Mariah than Madonna. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: Madonna is from a different era that preceeded the big business change for music. Bey has been around 10 years, Madonna - 25 or so. Vocally, Madonna is nowhere near capable of doing what Beyoncé does. She's had a million lessons and still isn't a great vocalist. Again - different set of strengths and weaknesses. Madonna is a better dancer for sure. People have to play to their strengths and cover their weaknesses until they improve them enough. But more importantly Madonna is more "artistically" interesting through her Career, where Beyonce has stayed at the same level with her music, and that for the most part is her apprehension to not push the envelope, but that isnt the type of artist she is, she is more like Mariah than Madonna.[/b] TRUE. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You just compared Beyoncé's talent as akin to Rihanna and Madonna. You're too biased to have a logical discussion on the topic. Songs like "Me Myself and I" and "I Can't Take No More" demonstrate a nice range of dynamics. Rihanna and Madonna can't sing worth a damn. I agree, Bey is no Aretha. Beyoncé is not "my girl", I was just stating her strengths and weaknesses. Aretha could never put on a show like Beyoncé could, either. Not everyone has the same strengths ad weaknesses. The MUSIC has no dynamics these days, is usually no longer than three minutes or so and is geared to an audience that is not used to listening to dynamics, either. Beyoncé is a pop star. Her label tells her what to sing and she sings it. What you said is covered by what I said earlier - SHE IS NOT TRYING TO BE AN EXTRAORDINARY SINGER, but a top pop performer who sings and dances. The new music business is not like how it was back in Aretha's days. Someone who LOOKS like Aretha wouldn't even get a shot at Beyoncé's spot. Its fucked up but true. Rachelle Ferrell has been shafted her whole musical career in my opinion. She has one of the best voices in the business but has been pushed into doing jazz for the most part, just like great musicians who want to shine have to do these days. The business is what it is. You can't blame homegirl for choosing to play by the rules with Matty Knowles as her daddy.
I mentioned Madonna and Rihanna just to show how commercial success is not an indicator of talent. Don't get me wrong, I know that Beyonce is talented. Hell, she puts org favourites like Janet WACKson and Madonna to shame, but there's still a slight air of the wannabee about her compared to the people I am used to hearing. She is a product of her times for sure, but my standards are not dictated by the Billboard Hot 100 or MTV. She's got tremendous ability, but she needs to learn how to moderate herself more. Sadly, I feel she won't learn this because she's too shallow and spoilt. She's had a very easy life compared to her predecessors and that leads to a lack of real feeling. Same goes for Christina Aguilera who's also got great ability, but no idea how to use it to really move people. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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BlaqueKnight said: Madonna is a better dancer for sure. [/b][/color]
Of course. She was a dance major. Let us not forget. Anytime, someone has the opportunity to train & perform with Alvin Ailey. It's a no brainier that she'll be a product of what she's around (black dance experience). | |
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MsLegs said: BlaqueKnight said: Madonna is a better dancer for sure. [/b][/color]
Of course. She was a dance major. Let us not forget. Anytime, someone has the opportunity to train & perform with Alvin Ailey. It's a no brainier that she'll be a product of what she's around (black dance experience). Yeah, but it's not fair to compare them because Beyonce doesn't really even try to compete as a dancer. She knows it's not her thing and so she focuses more on raw performance, which makes a nice change after all the Janets, Paulas, Britneys, Aaliyah's, etc. I just wish she weren't quite so hollow. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: BlaqueKnight said: You lost me at "here's the core reason why Beyonce sucks" That in and of itself is a very biased and untrue statement. Beyoncé has been the same type of vocalist all along and has at least 10 years in the business behind her. She's not new. While everyone has room for improvement, she is at the top of the pop scene. That was her label's goal for her and she is there. She could stand to be more subtle herself; I agree. That said, she's not trying to be the ultimate singer but a combination of singer and performer. When someone is doing a live show, dynamics sometimes fall to the wayside due to performance energy. I also agree that Amerie's version, though a different medium, is better and would theorize that if Bey did it in video form, Amerie's would still probably be better because the song is more suited to Amerie's voice. Who cares if she's at the top of the pop scene? So is Rihanna. She sucks too. Who cares if she's been around a while? So has Madonna. She sucks too. Nor is her being an energetic performer relevant either. Ever heard of Tina Turner? Incredible performer and singer. You could hear an audio of Tina singing live and it would sound flawless, even when she was in her 50s. Same goes for Cyndi Lauper today. What's relevant is that today's generation is filled with divas who are all flash and no soul. Girls who think that singing emotionally is just singing loudly. There are no nuances in their vocals. If you want to know what I'm talking about just listen to Aretha singing "I Say A Little Prayer". Hear how she can be wistful and girlish one moment then soaring and powerful the next. The way she unleashes her power when it's necessary. She saves it, she doesn't just sing full throttle from start to finish. I think they call it tension and release. Well, that's something that's been completely lost in today's generation of female R&B singers. Your girl Beyonce is as good an example of that as anyone. 1.Madonna & Beyonce are not the same kind of machine. Madonna (despite her below average vocals) is now in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame due to fact that she made an impact within the music industry by breaking the rules regarding what a female artist should OR should not do. Madonna (like the case of Michael Jackson & Prince) is an international cultural icon that has inspire her share of clones & wannabes. THIS fact alone made her a female artist at the highest power that Beyonce hasn't reach yet. 2. Comparing Rihanna to Beyonce is also a wasted effort. Rihanna (despite her below average vocals) is doing totally different things from what Beyonce is doing musically. Rihanna is leaving the "hip-hop/r&b" status behind in exchange for pop-rock & electronic dance-pop. I have yet to see Beyonce try to take those kind of risks with her music. | |
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Well, I'd like to see Amerie try some new things to make her stand out. Beyoncé is at the top of the pop chicks. That's her standout point for now. Amerie needs something to set her apart from the rest that will also allow her to create a better self image than what she has right now. I see it in her but the majority don't see it. She should be gunning for Aalyiah fans. Ciara is trying to take that spot but she doesn't have the voice. Amerie does. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Well, I'd like to see Amerie try some new things to make her stand out. Beyoncé is at the top of the pop chicks. That's her standout point for now. Amerie needs something to set her apart from the rest that will also allow her to create a better self image than what she has right now. I see it in her but the majority don't see it. She should be gunning for Aalyiah fans. Ciara is trying to take that spot but she doesn't have the voice. Amerie does.
The thing with Amerie is that her musical style is too fickle 1st album was an underrated neo-soul classic 2nd album was jazzy and cool with a bit of go go 3rd album was on some other shit ! Motown funk , with retro 80's pop and over emoting ballads These drastic changes has been Amerie's problem cause all of her orignal fans do not like the direction she has gone meaning that while on each album she gains a totally different new type off fanbase but everytime loses much of her fans from b4 | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Well, I'd like to see Amerie try some new things to make her stand out. Beyoncé is at the top of the pop chicks. That's her standout point for now. Amerie needs something to set her apart from the rest that will also allow her to create a better self image than what she has right now. I see it in her but the majority don't see it. She should be gunning for Aalyiah fans. Ciara is trying to take that spot but she doesn't have the voice. Amerie does.
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Crazywonderful said:
[Edited 3/17/08 14:02pm] one thing 4 sure Beyonce & Amerie both seem to transform when on stage | |
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