VinnyM27 said:

Cool. I'll always be disappointed in Gordy for what he did. Motown could've still been great as an independent company but he sold its soul to the devil. That's why Smokey Robinson left.

I love that it bashes the boyband state, then mere paragraphs later, checks a specific boybander by name in the Whitey bitch. Odd though, whoever wrote took the time to write this out chose the least white boybander possible. Rumour has it the guy's real last name is actually Hernandez, which makes a helluva lot more sense than someone with the very Scottish McLean bearing such a real-looking tan.

---Music's direct descent into the abyss can be traced to this outlet destroying quality songwriting for the sake of everyone trying to make a video. Don't get me wrong, some video's are a testament to the artist genius (see Prince's "Paisley Park ) while others border on stupidity (Look at the majority of the New Rock, Hip hop vids).





Where do we begin on this one?

Timmy84 said:

I was reading that late at night. Blender seems to really be more upset at Gordy's selling it for a such a low price considering how much of a financial boom that catalog is. I'll see I can find it online and cut and paste. It's entertaining. It has specific incidents of dumb labels and just big general dumb moves by the industry (the worst being the phasing out of the single even though I think it's only listed at like 19).

VinnyM27 said:

That should be interesting, thanx.

Timmy84 said:

http://prince.org/msg/8/264067

I got bored reading the list, but Kenny G and Michael Bubblah need to be on there if they are not.

I would also like to list the people that have now turned Jazz Festivals into Music Festivals....if it is a music festival with genres other than jazz, market it as such already.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

That AI mess started with THIS UK mess:

TonyVanDam said:

Which was the UK child of "Star Search", which was responsible for Britney, Justin and Beyonce, lol.

StarMon said:

There is some truth to this imo. Much as I love the Beatles, they, like all major influential artists, unleashed all manner of dreadful, over-serious bands in their wake; some good, some bad, some just .

StarMon said:

My man!!

3StarMon said:

Controversially perhaps round here, after years of research into this field, I am rather ambivalent about this music form. For me, there's Miles and then there's the rest. For lo, is Fusion, at least in its 'classic' '70s incarnation, simply Prog with polyrhythms??? Not that all Prog is bad ...

StarMon said:

For sure!!

2StarMon said:

I've never really heard a good one. Should be banned. 'Themed' albums by good artists doing radical/ interesting covers of another artist's stuff are allowed however

StarMon said:

Agreed. The enemy of independent thinking on music.

StarMon said:

Perhaps paradoxically for this fusion agnostic, I kind of dig this instrument in the right hands. Now, where's my Jean-Luc Ponty collection?

StarMon said:

The main instrument of Sidney Bechet, later popularised by Coltrane?

StarMon said:

A complex and fascinating figure, arguably more so than his famous client. Without 'the Colonel' (and, no doubt his fine chicken), Elvis would not have been ELVIS.

StarMon said:

Er, that should be English accent (or an attempt at one, anyway). There are many accents in the British Isles.

I would also add -

British/ American/ Any Indie Rock - Tedious beyond belief. Their claims of originality are so ironic given their 'uniform' sounds.

Drugs in all their forms, inc. alcohol - IMO the scourge of musicians, these have curtailed and ended the lives and careers of everybody from Charlie Parker to Hendrix. I fail to understand why so many musicians get into them, when surely the 'natural high' ( to quote Curtis Mayfield) of their music is surely enough. Without drugs (and the inner demons before and after them for the artists involved), where would music have taken Sly, Hendrix, Brian Wilson,and us? Even Miles Davis' career was blighted by them. I know drugs are just a temporary painkiller for what's burning up inside the soul, but ...

Hip hop, I suppose, which seems to reflect an apparent general creative malaise in black influenced American popular music that's lasted as long as some of its old musical movements. Can't blame Hip hop itself, tho. There doesn't seem to be any real innovation strong enough to smash down the edifice of commercial rap and so-called 'R n' B.

Dancehall 'Reggae'. After the great 'roots' stuff, we got this?

'Hair' Metal .

Oh yeah. And the stupid, pointless early death of Jimi Hendrix, imo perhaps the only artist whose continued existence would have truly influenced the development of popular music. In his own confused way, he was a living link, a true 'crossroads' between blues, rock, jazz fusion, funk rock, electronica and classical, which, had he lived just another decade to consolidate his ideas, might have marked true 'progression', rather than just imitation and empty virtuosity. Or maybe not; who knows? Miles picked up his baton in many ways, but was perhaps too old and was saddled with the 'jazz' label, despite the sounds he was making in the '70s.

And as for the modern anodyne pop chart scene on both sides of the Atlantic, well, the audiences get the music they deserve. The companies only make what sells, after all. If Siberian nose flute music sold more than JT, he'd be on the street, learning the true meaning of the blues (reality and dealing with the pain it can bring) , and getting to be a true artist . Business is BUSINESS. Music is often fragile souls getting blown away in the wind of business, image and fame and all that trash that has nothing to do with MUSIC.

Just some of my personal rants and tastes there. Each to their own. .

theAudience said:

Security.....

Hey, I'm guilty as well...even hooking up friends @ school on the barter & trade system, I worked @ a local Sound Warehouse back in the day and let's just say I really loved the fringe bene If it fits...under my gear.

Timmy84 said:

Before that, there was THIS:



Now THIS is freaking old-school. THIS is the show that these Idol-shows wanna be like.

That's a great list.

Where's 50 Cent on the list?

The Gong Show wasn't bad thing at all. If it wasn't for this show, we wouldn't had Cheryl Lynn. This is where she got discovered on.

[Edited 3/15/08 23:29pm]

Miles said:

Two excellent points.

Of course, this show and artist like Cheryl Lynn are before some times. I forgot that we have some youngsters on the thread.

MsLegs said:

I know. I've seen the classic episode on YouTube months ago.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

That is some eyebrows raising bullshit, indeed