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Thread started 03/11/08 6:14pm

MikeMatronik

Sony really mishandled Duran Duran's "Red Carpet Massacre"

Since I am the only person that loves this album, I have to express my protest against the way Sony handled this DD release.

Okay so "Falling Down" was a great first single with a great video...It was a classic duran duran ballad...

But where's the second single??? mad

No "Tempted", no "Nite-runner", no "Red carpet massacre"??? mad

And please don't come with that argument that is not duran duran...there's still Nick Rhodes synth in it...he's the soul of Duran Duran...

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Reply #1 posted 03/11/08 7:32pm

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Hey, I love it as much as (if not more than) you do! I think "Tempted," "Nite-Runner," "The Valley," or the title track backed with "Cry Baby Cry" would be the best single, but they have a lot of options.
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Reply #2 posted 03/11/08 8:21pm

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someone I knew hyped me up about that album... and I nearly threw up when I downloaded it...


sadly, the best tracks are the timbaland worked on... that is fucking nuts
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Reply #3 posted 03/11/08 8:34pm

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Sdldawn said:



sadly, the best tracks are the timbaland worked on... that is fucking nuts


I have to agree with you on that. They should have released Nite-Runner as the first single, anything more dance oriented. It probably would have gotten more airplay. I've only played the entire cd twice. Maybe hearing it live will have a different effect on me.
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Reply #4 posted 03/11/08 8:50pm

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I realize Sirius isn't the end all of promotion but Duran Duran pushed the album there for a month and they played new songs on many different stations (popular ones....they even went on Howard Stern, probably something Sirius pushed him into). Anyway, I heard a lot of the album and if I would have liked it, I would have bought it. I bet the same is true with others. It just didn't do anything for me.
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Reply #5 posted 03/12/08 3:51am

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Sdldawn said:

sadly, the best tracks are the timbaland worked on... that is fucking nuts

That's funny, because weren't people just saying that Danja and Timbaland are so similar it's hard to tell them apart. I think having Danja work on every track (besides "Falling Down") gives the album a consistency that I love (but I can see why others wouldn't). I don't think "Nite-Runner," "Skin Divers," and "Zoom In" (the 3 Tim & Danja tracks) are so much better than the others. I do think "Nite-Runner" should've been the first single, though.
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Reply #6 posted 03/12/08 5:25am

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I LOVE Red carpet massacre, is the best and most consistent DD album since the Wedding album; I don't understand why some people say this is not a DD album: tracks like The Valley, title track, Falling Down, Zoom in or Dirty great monster have the classic DD sound but with a modern twist, and the Timbaland tracks are pretty good, Nite Runner, Tempted and Skin divers are awesome.
Hmmm, surely, the non-hardcore fans have thought "uggh, a Timbaland produced album, pff, this is disgusting" (rolleyes) while the young people who know R.Kelly, Timberlake or Timby clearly doesn't know DD, because the young people doesn't know any other band older than Nirvana rolleyes Conclusion: only some of the hardcore fans have bought the album...
Sony's promotional campaign has been terrible disbelief; if I were Nick I would spit in Sony's executives faces, I mean, c'mon: how does it feel when you release a strong new record with one of the hottest producers of the moment but your company doesn't give you support or a decent marketing campaign??? neutral

By the way, it seems that the lack of success of RCP means that we won't have a new DD world tour mad neutral sad
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Reply #7 posted 03/12/08 12:44pm

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MikeMatronik said:

Since I am the only person that loves this album, I have to express my protest against the way Sony handled this DD release.

Okay so "Falling Down" was a great first single with a great video...It was a classic duran duran ballad...

But where's the second single??? mad

No "Tempted", no "Nite-runner", no "Red carpet massacre"??? mad

And please don't come with that argument that is not duran duran...there's still Nick Rhodes synth in it...he's the soul of Duran Duran...

Rant over and out!


Dude, I hear you! I have been waiting on Nite-Runner (the second single) for a while now. I even made a remix for it for their contest. confused

BTW I think you and I are the only ones that liked the album. Though I really dislike the title song. I also think Falling Down was a bad leadoff single, as it misled expectations of what the album was going to sound like. Tempted would have been better.

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Reply #8 posted 03/12/08 12:51pm

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JoeTyler said:

I LOVE Red carpet massacre, is the best and most consistent DD album since the Wedding album; I don't understand why some people say this is not a DD album: tracks like The Valley, title track, Falling Down, Zoom in or Dirty great monster have the classic DD sound but with a modern twist, and the Timbaland tracks are pretty good, Nite Runner, Tempted and Skin divers are awesome.
Hmmm, surely, the non-hardcore fans have thought "uggh, a Timbaland produced album, pff, this is disgusting" (rolleyes) while the young people who know R.Kelly, Timberlake or Timby clearly doesn't know DD, because the young people doesn't know any other band older than Nirvana rolleyes Conclusion: only some of the hardcore fans have bought the album...
Sony's promotional campaign has been terrible disbelief; if I were Nick I would spit in Sony's executives faces, I mean, c'mon: how does it feel when you release a strong new record with one of the hottest producers of the moment but your company doesn't give you support or a decent marketing campaign??? neutral

By the way, it seems that the lack of success of RCP means that we won't have a new DD world tour mad neutral sad


As much as I do like the album, I feel the production was unnecessary. You can hear Duran Duran songs buried deep in the album but all polished with new beats. In general, I don't feel a band needs a troupe of producers like that.

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Reply #9 posted 03/12/08 12:55pm

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Reply #10 posted 03/12/08 1:25pm

Glindathegood

I really love the album, too.
I'm not a hardcore fan of their older stuff, so maybe it is true that hard core fans didn't like it and that was why it failed.
I read somewhere a lot of their older fans didn't like the record. Or maybe they were just biased against Timbaland and weren't really willing to give the record a chance.
But to me having heard their older stuff on the radio, it doesn't sound that different to me than their earlier stuff. They still maintain their essential sound, just more modern and updated.
I think it would have been a good idea to release Nite Runner as the first single. I think it's never a great idea for any artist to release a ballad as their first single.
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Reply #11 posted 03/12/08 3:26pm

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Glindathegood said:

I really love the album, too.
I'm not a hardcore fan of their older stuff, so maybe it is true that hard core fans didn't like it and that was why it failed.
I read somewhere a lot of their older fans didn't like the record. Or maybe they were just biased against Timbaland and weren't really willing to give the record a chance.But to me having heard their older stuff on the radio, it doesn't sound that different to me than their earlier stuff. They still maintain their essential sound, just more modern and updated.
I think it would have been a good idea to release Nite Runner as the first single. I think it's never a great idea for any artist to release a ballad as their first single.


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Reply #12 posted 03/12/08 3:32pm

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To quote a friend at a label, he called late October releases and Early November releases, "DUMPING". This is when they just throw a record out there, and pray, no promo $$, no support, they just pray that loyals buy it and they make back their investment. I knew this record wasnt going to catch on, for many reasons, one was the timing, two was the change in sound and direction, and three was the loss of any guitar on the record, knowing that the first version they submitted was a totally different vibe of a record, and sounding record.

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Reply #13 posted 03/12/08 4:16pm

MikeMatronik

The mythical "Reportage" album...
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Reply #14 posted 03/12/08 4:18pm

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MikeMatronik said:

The mythical "Reportage" album...


there must be something, because Andy Taylor has spoken of recordings, he never shared a title, but he was more or less "kicked out" or really felt like Duran Duran was going to become "guitar-less" so why stay.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #15 posted 03/12/08 4:20pm

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lastdecember said:

MikeMatronik said:

The mythical "Reportage" album...


there must be something, because Andy Taylor has spoken of recordings, he never shared a title, but he was more or less "kicked out" or really felt like Duran Duran was going to become "guitar-less" so why stay.


The reports on Andy's departure are blurry. I read once that he blames DD's management and that they signed an agreement that that material can't be released.
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Reply #16 posted 03/12/08 4:22pm

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MikeMatronik said:

lastdecember said:



there must be something, because Andy Taylor has spoken of recordings, he never shared a title, but he was more or less "kicked out" or really felt like Duran Duran was going to become "guitar-less" so why stay.


The reports on Andy's departure are blurry. I read once that he blames DD's management and that they signed an agreement that that material can't be released.


Ive heard a million reasons into Andy's departure, some said he fell "off the wagon" again and had alcohol issues, ive heard creative direction issues, writing issues, and not getting along with Nick and Simon issues. But the fact is they need a guitar player back, be it andy or warren, they need a someone in there that can play, as opposed to studio-tour fill ins.

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Reply #17 posted 03/12/08 4:24pm

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lastdecember said:

MikeMatronik said:



The reports on Andy's departure are blurry. I read once that he blames DD's management and that they signed an agreement that that material can't be released.


Ive heard a million reasons into Andy's departure, some said he fell "off the wagon" again and had alcohol issues, ive heard creative direction issues, writing issues, and not getting along with Nick and Simon issues. But the fact is they need a guitar player back, be it andy or warren, they need a someone in there that can play, as opposed to studio-tour fill ins.


I wanted Warren. He's a better man in the axe than Andy.
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Reply #18 posted 03/12/08 6:48pm

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Glindathegood said:

I really love the album, too.
I'm not a hardcore fan of their older stuff, so maybe it is true that hard core fans didn't like it and that was why it failed.
I read somewhere a lot of their older fans didn't like the record.

shrug I'm an older fan and I love the album.
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