mancabdriver said:

Thank You! This poster has all sorts of opinions on Janet's albums post Rene and he only knows the singles! I don't pretend to be some expert on Mariah! I haven't posted once in that thread on her new album cause it's not my deal!

midnightmover said:

and i guess the other older divas are making adult music...

anyways i agree young kids have no interest in janet.. but NOT cause she is doing kiddy music... she has lots the audience because of lack of promoting herself, her overly sexual explicit lyrics. .and her albums NEVER have any meanings like they used to... they have NO themes... I believe these are some reasons...

janet really should have been just promoting herself WAY BEFORE THE ALBUM came out.. NOT to promote the album.. but to promote herself... because popularity is what wins fans... number 1 albums and high sales...

so i really think if she had better PR.. and went out more.. and show herself more instead of being secretive.. and allow people to get to know her... i think she would have more fans.. cause people would feel like they know her and can relate....

i think janet.. well from what she shows.. has a cute personality.. BUT i know many people can't stand that shy, scared standoffish personality she portrays to the media...

i can't say i care that her album is not doing the best.. cause she already has millions .. she can retire today if she wants
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wonder505 said:

Her tour doesn't begin until September....much too late to save this album.But that's okay.As an artist,you don't necessarily tour just to promote something.If her tour is a huge success,no one will even be talking about the disappointing record sales anymore.

Martinelli said:

OUTRAGEOUS!

Martinelli said:

VinnyM27 said:

I was actually asking a genuine question out of curiosity. There's no need to get abusive. And what the hell is "Loverboy"? Is that a Mariah song?

mancabdriver said:

Then why are people co-signing them?

midnightmover said:

Just keep in mind opinions are like assholes..

I don't care about people having negative opinions about Janet. I have negative opinions about some of the most popular artists, so it's six of one; half a dozen of another.

What bugs me sometimes is when people express their opinions as fact. I mean sure the opinion might be "fact" for the person expressing it, but it's still JUST AN OPINION.

It's fine if you and others don't like Janet.. don't enjoy this cd.. etc...

But just know there are a number of people who DO like it, and continue to support Janet. It's just a difference of opinion.

P.S. I bet it really bugs some people when their "negative" is just an opinion--no matter how hard they try to make it fact! LOL It doesn't even matter if the negative is the MAJORITY opinion on this site or elsewhere: it's STILL just an opinion! LOL
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Isel said:

I haven't made a single comment about this album. I've never heard it. Why would I want to? I don't support corporate muscle being used to prop up vacuous non-entities. I'd like to see those resources invested in cultivating artists with vision and talent.

midnightmover said:

So who would be an artist with "vision"? And by what criteria would you measure talent?

I agree with you in theory, but sometimes it's just nice to take a ride with an artist who makes you want to dance. For me, Janet just makes me want to dance.. with this particular cd--actually all her cd's since The Velvet Rope.

Maybe she just feels like dancing? I'll dance along with her.

Empress said:

yeah my mom said the same thing being a JJ fan herself.

TotalAlisa said:

Yeah his album didnt even go GOLD

paisleypark4 said:

There ya'll go again--measuring a work's merit by sales.

I wonder how many cds visionary artists sell??

I thought Janet thinks of herself more as an R&B artist than a "pop" act anyway? So it would stand to reason maybe her sales might be lower, right?? Her music as it stands now isn't going to appeal to everyone.

So... it's sort of a circular discussion in a way.. Once again people who aren't her fans--or not current fans using sales to justify their opinions when if you all don't want to buy her cd then don't. That's fine, but it still doesn't mean her music doesn't appeal to some people.. Who's right? Well.. it all depends upon what people are looking for from Janet herself.

Isel said:

Well, being able to sing live would be a nice start. With very few exceptions I can't really be moved by mimed performances because. they. are. FAKE! I feel like I'm being lied to. I take it as an insult.

Also, when an artist is made into a star then it means their personality will be in our face almost as much as their music so it's helpful if they actually have one. The Rihannas, J-Los and Janets of this world just don't have anything interesting about them. I think being interesting should be a mandatory requirement of being a pop star, especially if you can't sing.

midnightmover said:

So you think a lot of live singers sing well just by virtue of the fact they are attempting to sing live??

I think there are a number of "live" singers who have made a career of singing like crap. In fact, they SHOULD lip-synch because listening to them live is a disappointment. They might as well maintain the illusion of being able to sing. Or possibly their inability to stay on pitch has never really been an issue regarding their appeal.

And I guess you don't like "video" music artists--those who use dance to accompany their music which is fine. Buy my point is that a lot of people do, and apparently think they ARE talented.

I like and find value in all types of performers, so I guess I'm lucky that way.
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Isel said:

There are PLENTY of people who can sing great live. It really is not that rare. And I love singers who can dance, but I don't like choreographed muppets. Janet's choreography was great in the late '80s but after Rhythm Nation I found most of it silly and pointless. The last great dancer in music was MC Hammer.

midnightmover said:

And there are PLENTY of people who CAN'T SING--or don't have great voices, but somehow manage to connect with people in spite of it.

MC Hammer?? I think he's great at what he does in much the same what Janet is great as what she does--choreographed OR NOT. I just accept her the way she is. And for whatever reason.. Janet connects with people---maybe not as many as she used to .. but enough to have a cd debut at #1.

I respect that you're NOT a Janet fan--ANYMORE. But you're NOT going to change her, and she's NOT going to change for you. If you don't like her anymore.. then don't buy her music.. It's a simple as that.

But why keep griping about it? RN was a LONG time ago. Move-on to those visionary artists you do like. It just seems like a lot of wasted energy--reminding people of why you don't like Janet or similar types of artists.

That's fine with me. It doesn't really affect me one way or another... Well it amuses me actually. But it's your time.
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Isel said:

Hammer is leagues above Janet dance-wise. They are not even in the same galaxy.

midnightmover said:

I'm not going to hate on Hammer. He's had his share of trouble for sure.I just think comparing him to Janet is like comparing apples to oranges. Some might actually prefer Janet's finesse believe it or not.

But it's interesting you are so sure of your opinions.. so definitive.

It's just interesting..

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Isel said:[quote]

midnightmover said:

LOL yes... especially since she's such a "non-entity"!

Isel said:

I have a general rule of thumb. I only talk about a subject if I know about it. Very rarely do I violate this rule. If I talk on a subject 99% of the time you can be sure I know what I'm talking about. This is one of those times. I'll say no more.

Martinelli said:

Ok...that's funny as hell...especially the very last thing!

midnightmover said:

Our savior!

TotalAlisa said:

Jealous...
This is what crazy disconnected fans claim when somebody shots their favorite star...

I mean "jealous" ???

Call me a hater, or but "jealous" ??? C'mon girl grow up a little... It's not the end of the world...

Just because you're fan means that everybody are disconnected too...

I've been far harsher on Madonna, Prince and Jackson compared to Janet...


If you are too sensitive to handle negative remarks, just ignore my posts and move on ...


I made this thread specifically for you, just to piss you off, and it worked


PS : Oh I forgot to say, Feedback dropped from #19 to #28 on billboard 100
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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

Please...

Just to compare, Mary J Blidge's last album started with over 600,000 in it's first week...

Janet is doing barely better than Erykah Badu...

In this day and age, this is a flop...

This is what I predicted few months ago...

midnightmover said:

That's good to know. I'll keep that in mind.

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Isel said:

If she's a non-entity, then why even bother?

See.. this is what always amuses me about Janet threads in particular: half the posts are from people who say how shitty she is!

I find it funny--literally because usually when I don't enjoy an artist, I have nothing to say. I simply don't care enough to post. I might comment on occasion, but more often than not, if I don't have anything positive to say, I skip the thread. Most of the time, I'm not even current regarding artists in which I'm not particular interested. In other words, I don't listen to artists whom I don't enjoy usually unless curiosity gets the better of me, and that doesn't happen very often unless they drop something I actually like.

But it sure seems like Janet brings-out the hate in people. A lot of people think fans of any Jackson are irrational, but it seems to me some "non-fans" aren't particularly rational either. And it seems to be the same people. But whatever floats your collective boat. Like I said if you want to continue to comment upon a person you think is a non-entity, then by all means go on ahead.
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Isel said:

You're on a Prince fansite , where you have a few folks who don't like him or care for his music yet they still visit the Prince music section almost everyday to talk about him and get mad. I think this is some mental about it. Now with Janet threads maybe its the beast of online sites in general.