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PrintableOttensen said: About the idea that was posted for her needing to get ugly in order to get screen recognition:
I was wondering, don't you think acting requires more than simply "getting ugly" for the cameras? I think it requires something more than just getting visually ugly. It requires a person to pull something out of themselves that brings depth to their performance, that makes us believe in what they're bringing to us for that 120 minutes in the theatre...I think that one can do this either by way of having great method and/or technique, OR through identifying with the experience they're portarying so much that they pull that shred of believeability out of their souls & they take us to a transformative place when we witness them onscreen. In either case, I don't believe Miss Knowles has the benefit of either. Make no mistake, she's an amazing singer..but I think her having little acting talent and not very much method and experience to draw on is her handicap for this vehicle. Thankfully, the project sounds like it's not a biopic,vs. the story of the contribution of the entire record company, so hopefully her screen time will be limited and they will keep her singing of James' classics to a minimum.  That would be nice, but isnt she executive producing this movie too? That probably means she'll be gettin lots of screentime unfortunately 
Also I agree with what you said here. It would be cool to see Beyonce take on more hard, edgier roles as well, but I think not only does she lack experience for such roles, I think it would be hard for her to even identify with a role like a lesbian junkie or some other complex character like that. Beyonce has said she wanted to play more serious roles in movies---thing is, you gotta have either the acting chops or the life experiences to back those roles, you cant be a lightweight actor playing a complex character with serious issues. [Edited 3/13/08 8:32am] [Edited 3/13/08 11:25am] MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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Has she even been on Ugly Betty or hosted SNL yet? Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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NaughtyKitty said: Ottensen said: About the idea that was posted for her needing to get ugly in order to get screen recognition:
I was wondering, don't you think acting requires more than simply "getting ugly" for the cameras? I think it requires something more than just getting visually ugly. It requires a person to pull something out of themselves that brings depth to their performance, that makes us believe in what they're bringing to us for that 120 minutes in the theatre...I think that one can do this either by way of having great method and/or technique, OR through identifying with the experience they're portarying so much that they pull that shred of believeability out of their souls & they take us to a transformative place when we witness them onscreen. In either case, I don't believe Miss Knowles has the benefit of either. Make no mistake, she's an amazing singer..but I think her having little acting talent and not very much method and experience to draw on is her handicap for this vehicle. Thankfully, the project sounds like it's not a biopic,vs. the story of the contribution of the entire record company, so hopefully her screen time will be limited and they will keep her singing of James' classics to a minimum. That would be nice, but isnt she executive producing this movie too? That probably means she'll be gettin lots of screentime unfortunately
Also I agree with what you said here. It would be cool to see Beyonce take on more hard, edgier roles as well, but I think not only does she lack experience for such roles, I think it would be hard for her to even identify with a role like a lesbian junkie or some other complex character like that. Beyonce has said she wanted to play more serious roles in movies---thing is, you gotta have the acting chops to back those roles, you cant be a lightweight actor playing a complex character with serious issues. [Edited 3/13/08 8:32am] Oh lawd, she's is producing it TOO? 
Don't get me wrong, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT women in production. I used to own a small production company when I was a youngin' and I am ALL for young women getting their production swerve on as it translates into decision making power and solid financial returns (even though we know she's loaded as all hell regardless)...but you are right in that it might also translate into us having to endure her extra time onscreen trying to portray a jacked up Etta belting out "Tell Mama" 
Oddly this morning on the train I listened to her song Deja Vu on the iPod, which is one of the few Beyonce tunes I dig. What I got from Beyonce in those moments is that she is clearly a woman that has no problem expressing herself from a voice that represents the "goddamn I love you, boy" to the "southern woman-dammit I love you so much-if it don't work I'ma either leave you or let your car roll unattended down a hill"-point of view... ... however, between the lack of heartache and longing missing in her voice, as well as bland acting skills (like the expressions she gives you while she attempts to throw bleach on her straying lovers clothes in the video for 'Emotions')...there is NOTHING this young woman can do onscreen to make me believe she could be the character in Etta's song "I'd Rather Go Blind"... someone so disheartened and low that would poke her own eyes out and literally go blind rather than experience the heartache of seeing her love with another person... there is NONTHING. in. Beyonce. (however fabulous she is)- in voice or screen peformances that can will me to suspend disbelief that she is that character...at least not at present, anyway | |
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^^^This is how I felt about her empty remake of The Closer I Get to You. Even Luther couldn’t help her. At that time she was what, 22? It just seemed to lack emotion. She can sing it technically but there was nothing there. That’s a song that practically brings tears to my eyes but her version only brought bile to my throat. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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The best bio-pic I have seen in ages about a singer/musician is La Vie En Rose
this certainly wont compare, mostly because of the fact that Beyonce is playing Ettta. | |
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Maybe because all she's ever heard is that she is a "very talented, beautiful woman and people will eat that up in anything you do" line and her and her camp are sticking to it. I dont want the movie to do badly, I would rather hear of her acting outside of her comfort level.  &  | |
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Ottensen said: NaughtyKitty said: That would be nice, but isnt she executive producing this movie too? That probably means she'll be gettin lots of screentime unfortunately
Also I agree with what you said here. It would be cool to see Beyonce take on more hard, edgier roles as well, but I think not only does she lack experience for such roles, I think it would be hard for her to even identify with a role like a lesbian junkie or some other complex character like that. Beyonce has said she wanted to play more serious roles in movies---thing is, you gotta have the acting chops to back those roles, you cant be a lightweight actor playing a complex character with serious issues. [Edited 3/13/08 8:32am] Oh lawd, she's is producing it TOO?
Don't get me wrong, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT women in production. I used to own a small production company when I was a youngin' and I am ALL for young women getting their production swerve on as it translates into decision making power and solid financial returns (even though we know she's loaded as all hell regardless)...but you are right in that it might also translate into us having to endure her extra time onscreen trying to portray a jacked up Etta belting out "Tell Mama"
Oddly this morning on the train I listened to her song Deja Vu on the iPod, which is one of the few Beyonce tunes I dig. What I got from Beyonce in those moments is that she is clearly a woman that has no problem expressing herself from a voice that represents the "goddamn I love you, boy" to the "southern woman-dammit I love you so much-if it don't work I'ma either leave you or let your car roll unattended down a hill"-point of view... ... however, between the lack of heartache and longing missing in her voice, as well as bland acting skills (like the expressions she gives you while she attempts to throw bleach on her straying lovers clothes in the video for 'Emotions')...there is NOTHING this young woman can do onscreen to make me believe she could be the character in Etta's song "I'd Rather Go Blind"... someone so disheartened and low that would poke her own eyes out and literally go blind rather than experience the heartache of seeing her love with another person... there is NONTHING. in. Beyonce. (however fabulous she is)- in voice or screen peformances that can will me to suspend disbelief that she is that character...at least not at present, anyway Yep  I dont believe she has experienced heartache and pain on that level to be able to draw from that place and incorporate it into her performances.MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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fcukthepolice said: she has no ass
I know Cap'n Echo, that's what I said. | |
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CalhounSq said: You know, the determining factors of having ass vs. not having ass are becoming far too difficult. It's like you're done unless your ass pops off your back like a half circle
Now your ass has to protrude x # of inches @ a certain arc Looks like there'll be no chorus of... And for all that ass that she toted around Well I offered a backpack ...in her future.
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theAudience said: Looks like there'll be no chorus of... And for all that ass that she toted around Well I offered a backpack ...in her future.
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JackieBlue said: ^^^This is how I felt about her empty remake of The Closer I Get to You. Even Luther couldn’t help her. At that time she was what, 22? It just seemed to lack emotion. She can sing it technically but there was nothing there. That’s a song that practically brings tears to my eyes but her version only brought bile to my throat.
I know what you mean Many of these younger artists should just leave the classics! alone.Remember that awful remake of Samantha Sang's "Emotion"? 
I was pissed at Luther for doing a song with her,although I suspect it was Clive Davis' idea  | |
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Ottensen said: About the idea that was posted for her needing to get ugly in order to get screen recognition:
I was wondering, don't you think acting requires more than simply "getting ugly" for the cameras? I think it requires something more than just getting visually ugly. It requires a person to pull something out of themselves that brings depth to their performance, that makes us believe in what they're bringing to us for that 120 minutes in the theatre...I think that one can do this either by way of having great method and/or technique, OR through identifying with the experience they're portarying so much that they pull that shred of believeability out of their souls & they take us to a transformative place when we witness them onscreen. In either case, I don't believe Miss Knowles has the benefit of either. Make no mistake, she's an amazing singer..but I think her having little acting talent and not very much method and experience to draw on is her handicap for this vehicle. Thankfully, the project sounds like it's not a biopic,vs. the story of the contribution of the entire record company, so hopefully her screen time will be limited and they will keep her singing of James' classics to a minimum. [/b]well.. that's what i meant.. when i said..ppl want reality and that actresses in Hollywood are shaving their heads bald for roles and getting into character for real... [Edited 3/15/08 0:19am] | |
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PFunkjazz said: sassybritches said: they sure are making etta a lot skinnier...
It's like Will Smith playin' Ali huh?? the most unbeievable pulloff in the history of documentaries. ll cool j would have been better. [Edited 3/17/08 7:41am] nipsy | |
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VoicesCarry said: Christ, I'll be skipping this one. Hiring some skinny model-type with no experience and stickin' a wig on her thinkin' she can play Etta James. You may as well hire Miley Cyrus to play Janis Joplin.
mary j blige should play janis joplin (vocals that is)  [Edited 3/18/08 6:00am] nipsy | |
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NaughtyKitty said: Ottensen said: About the idea that was posted for her needing to get ugly in order to get screen recognition:
I was wondering, don't you think acting requires more than simply "getting ugly" for the cameras? I think it requires something more than just getting visually ugly. It requires a person to pull something out of themselves that brings depth to their performance, that makes us believe in what they're bringing to us for that 120 minutes in the theatre...I think that one can do this either by way of having great method and/or technique, OR through identifying with the experience they're portarying so much that they pull that shred of believeability out of their souls & they take us to a transformative place when we witness them onscreen. In either case, I don't believe Miss Knowles has the benefit of either. Make no mistake, she's an amazing singer..but I think her having little acting talent and not very much method and experience to draw on is her handicap for this vehicle. Thankfully, the project sounds like it's not a biopic,vs. the story of the contribution of the entire record company, so hopefully her screen time will be limited and they will keep her singing of James' classics to a minimum. That would be nice, but isnt she executive producing this movie too? That probably means she'll be gettin lots of screentime unfortunately
Also I agree with what you said here. It would be cool to see Beyonce take on more hard, edgier roles as well, but I think not only does she lack experience for such roles, I think it would be hard for her to even identify with a role like a lesbian junkie or some other complex character like that. Beyonce has said she wanted to play more serious roles in movies---thing is, you gotta have either the acting chops or the life experiences to back those roles, you cant be a lightweight actor playing a complex character with serious issues. [Edited 3/13/08 8:32am] [Edited 3/13/08 11:25am] I could see her doing vanessa williams story. and she really should do younger stuff instead of all the ledgends I think that is why I loved b day so much. she was allowed to be her age after helping jay z promote neo's irreplaceable. I don't know why her camp keeps wanting to age her. [Edited 3/17/08 7:43am] nipsy | |
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JackieBlue said: Has she even been on Ugly Betty or hosted SNL yet?
beyonce has been imitated on snl a few times and mad tv. [Edited 3/17/08 7:41am] nipsy | |
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chewwsey said: JackieBlue said: Has she even been on Ugly Betty or hosted SNL yet?
beyonce has been imitated on snl a few times and mad tv. That is indeed the same honor as hosting/guest starring   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Paris9748430 said: Damn, ya'll some hateful ass folks!!!
There hasn't been so much as a trailer for this movie, and people are already labeling it the worse biopic of all-time!!! All we've seen is a picture of the girl coming out of her trailer, and people are freaking out!!! If you don't like the girl, don't go see the movie!!! Don't even talk about her!!! Shit, most of ya'll don't even own an Etta record!!! I swear, some of the snark on internet message boards just go too far!!! 
I like you!  surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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CalhounSq said: MsLegs said:   You know, the determining factors of having ass vs. not having ass are becoming far too difficult. It's like you're done unless your ass pops off your back like a half circle If this child has no ass, then who the fuck does??
& please, spare me the King mag spreads & the gigantic asses y'all are trying to pretend is the norm, it's gettin' ridiculous  As if women aren't held to enough of a bullshit standard. Now your ass has to protrude x # of inches @ a certain arc Wow... somebody tell Beyonce she wrong for that "Bootylicious" song 'cause she AIN'T 
THANK YOU!!! surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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CherrieMoonKisses said: Beyonce doesnt allow herself to actually act, she just keeps playing these roles as a singer so thats all we will continue to see her as...a singer! Why doesnt she just spring out the box and do a movie about a heroin addicted junkie whose a lesbian and kills herself at the end of a movie? Why doesnt she act in a movie about a foreign political figure who is held hostage, raped and conquers her captors in the end? Or something that would make us see her in a totally different light. Wouldnt that be admirable of her? Wouldnt that be spellbinding? And this is coming from a person who cant stand Beyonce but I would respect her a little more! I wonder if she even wanted to do this part or if her father persuaded her into doing it like a pro manager would. I mean, I just dont see her sitting down listening to Etta James when she was like 7 or 8 or whatever age she was starting her girl group. I hope this movie does well for Etta James sake just because Beyonce isnt a good actress doesnt mean that should take some steam outta Ms. James. Why does Beyonce and her camp refuse to acknowledge that people are sick and tired of her? I wonder.
dang according to this theory here you just want to see her in a movie where she is dead in the first scene or eventually dies off which would make her look at herself and really take heed and a break from the industry. on the real I see what you mean, she really should spread her wings.
angela basssete pulled it off you know, portraying legends and I guess bee doesn't want her to come back and challenge her to an acting match play legendary characters, like many say bee doesn't want anyone singing in the industry accept her. hey, its a thought. beyonce needs a good comback movie to take her away from that horrible and disgusting austin powers movie. I always thought that that movie was was some serious prank movie for anyone who was desperate enough to fall for acting in it. I felt bad for her in that movie.nipsy | |
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Timmy84 said: Ironically Etta is very slim today thanks to gastric bypass. She looks great and she just turned 70!
She's performing with Roots at HOB in New Orleans. I wish I could see that! Etta is a bad girl. I love her album Mystery Lady a tribute to Billie Holiday. Beyonce makes my ass hurt!  | |
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HOPEFULLY, SHE'S HAD AN EXTENSIVE SPEECH CLASS! THAT GIRL HAS TOO MUCH MUSH IN HER MOUTH IMO! I'M NOT SHOUTING, JEEZ! | |
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debbiedean2 said: HOPEFULLY, SHE'S HAD AN EXTENSIVE SPEECH CLASS! THAT GIRL HAS TOO MUCH MUSH IN HER MOUTH IMO!
Someone mentioned her playing Vanessa Williams and I thought maybe especially with the big eyes but then I thought nope. Vanessa's got perfect diction. They'd have to dub the whole movie to pull that off. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Etta James, Gladys Knight Chaka Khan & BB King...
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Tom said: Etta James, Gladys Knight Chaka Khan & BB King...
Ain't no way in the world Beyonce can duplicate that. She can sing, but she can't do that.
And, Chaka was about 30 feet above the stage, that night... | |
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ThreadBare said: Tom said: Etta James, Gladys Knight Chaka Khan & BB King...
Ain't no way in the world Beyonce can duplicate that. She can sing, but she can't do that.
And, Chaka was about 30 feet above the stage, that night... LOLOL, good thing cuz I thought Gladys was gonna slap the sh*t out of her for being so cracked out of her mind... | |
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Tom said: ThreadBare said: Ain't no way in the world Beyonce can duplicate that. She can sing, but she can't do that.
And, Chaka was about 30 feet above the stage, that night... LOLOL, good thing cuz I thought Gladys was gonna slap the sh*t out of her for being so cracked out of her mind... I'm guessin' you wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of Aunt Gladys' temper. I know I wouldn't...  | |
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JackieBlue said: debbiedean2 said: HOPEFULLY, SHE'S HAD AN EXTENSIVE SPEECH CLASS! THAT GIRL HAS TOO MUCH MUSH IN HER MOUTH IMO!
Someone mentioned her playing Vanessa Williams and I thought maybe especially with the big eyes but then I thought nope. Vanessa's got perfect diction. They'd have to dub the whole movie to pull that off. ive thought about that one in the past, that's a person she 'should' have played ..but they only look alike.. Beyonce would have alot of work to do there | |
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ThreadBare said: Tom said: LOLOL, good thing cuz I thought Gladys was gonna slap the sh*t out of her for being so cracked out of her mind... I'm guessin' you wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of Aunt Gladys' temper. I know I wouldn't... For real. You can see a second or two where Aunt Gladys was looking kinda STERN | |
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