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Thread started 03/07/08 8:56pm

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Madonna - "The Rain Tapes"

omg What on earth have I just stumbled upon? omfg
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Reply #1 posted 03/07/08 8:57pm

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"The Rain Tapes" refers to a collection of songs recorded by American singer Madonna in late 1991 and early 1992, during the development of her Erotica album. The songs were written by Madonna, Shep Pettibone and Tony Shimkin, and produced by Madonna and Pettibone. Some of the songs were early versions of songs used on the Erotica album, while others remain unreleased Madonna songs. The tapes are sometimes referred to as the "Shep Pettibone sessions".

The songs from the Erotica album sessions appear registered with the U.S. copyright office together on two 90-minute cassette tapes. Because "Rain" is the first track on the cassette, written centered on the title card of the cassette while the other songs below it are written to the left margin of the card, fans decided to give the cassettes the title "The Rain Tapes."

The first descriptions circulated were done by Bruce Baron, who wrote the 1999 Goldmine article on Madonna's unreleased material and had the chance to listen to most of the tracks in the Library Of Congress. His description and tracklistings were incomplete and partly incorrect and have recently been revised[1], corrected and expanded by a fan who owns copies of both tapes. See Erotica Diaries article from 1992 at Madonna-online.ch for background. Tracklisting here, description and registration numbers for significantly different unreleased demo songs compared to released versions follow below.
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Reply #2 posted 03/07/08 8:57pm

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Track listing

TAPE ONE SIDE ONE:(track #, title, time, date)

01. Rain (final demo, new harms) 5:23 6 December 1991
02. Rain (new vocal – damaged) 5:34 13 November 1991
03. Deeper & Deeper (final demo) 5:39 13 November 1991
04. Bye Bye Baby (first day ruff) 5:52
05. Bye Bye Baby (final demo) 4:02
06. Bye Bye Baby (second day ruff) 4:22
07. You Are The One (final edit demo) 4:36
08. Shame (final demo) 6:12

TAPE ONE SIDE TWO:

01. Shame (straight pass) 6:31
02. In This Life (edit) 6:27
03. Cheat (Drunk Girl) (edit) 5:36
04. Goodbye To Innocence (final edit) 6:11
05: Goodbye To Innocence (straight pass) 5:46
06: Actions Speak Louder Than Words (final edit 1) 5:45
07. Erotica (final demo 1) 5:14 16 January 1992

TAPE TWO SIDE ONE:

01. Actions Speak Louder Than Words (first day) 5:54
02. Actions Speak Louder Than Words (final edit 2) 5:49
03. Erotica (rough mix) 5:16 15 January 1992
04. Erotica (final demo 2) 5:24 15 January 1992
05. Thief Of Hearts (old music) 3:55 17 January 1992
06. Thief Of Hearts (new music) 5:12 20 January 1992
07. Jitterbug 0:36 15 January 1992
08. Thief Of Hearts (old music again) 5:15 22 January 1992

S.Pettibone/M. Ciccone/T.Shimkin
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Reply #3 posted 03/07/08 8:58pm

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Description of selected songs

Rain (final demos) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-634
Of the two versions of Rain found on the Tapes, the second (new vocal) is badly distorted but appears to have very minimal differences to the released version. Madonna sings the outro twice ("I'll stand out on the mountain top") and she can be heard to say "Whatever" as the music fades. The first version (Final Demo New Harms) is recorded at too low a level at the beginning though it raises to the correct level after the first verse. As the title suggests, the harmonies are highlighted in this version and include some which were removed in the final mix. Again the final line is sung twice.

Bye Bye Baby (alternate rough and final demos) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-635
The first of the Bye Bye Baby demos ('First Day Ruff') is extremely distorted on the original tapes, having been recorded with too much input. Despite this, it appears to be a first run-through of the song and is extremely rough, mostly spoken and includes some minor alternate lyrics including "What makes you sexy?" and "Does it make you feel good to make me cry?". Fortunately this and the second "Rain" demo are the only two which suffer from distortion or serious quality issues. The 'Second Day Ruff' demo is interesting in that it uses a unique vocal which is much darker than that on the finished mix. Like the 'First Day Ruff', it is a very basic run-through of the track though the lyrics are more developed but still include minor differences. The final demo is very close to the album mix though again there are several minor differences, for example, it lacks the spoken "Bitch!" in the bridge. None of the demos feature the "You f**ked it up" line which closes the album version and each uses an alternate vocal.

Deeper and Deeper (alternate demo version) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-634.
Has slightly different arrangements than the released version. This version is missing the Latin guitar break which Shep told EQ magazine that he hated and that Madonna insisted on in the released version. This one might be closer to his original vision with the house pattern. The end is a little different using the same released lyrics but the music goes on for much longer.

You Are The One (unreleased) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-636
Completely unreleased in any format. Song not used on the album. The lyrics are rather mundane, such as "You are the one, my only one, you are the one for me". The sound is very dance/club/house and includes a break with 80s-style scratching and backing vocals which are also used on the "Goodbye To Innocence" demos. As with "Shame" it would have been redundant to include it on the album. It was abandoned at the demo stage.

Shame (unreleased) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-637
Completely unreleased in any format. Song not used on the album. The song opens with a spoken intro, "Why do you wanna waste your life away? It's a shame". Later she sings "Anyone can learn to fly, keep your head up - keep your held held high". The chorus starts with "It's a Shaaaaame, the way you live your life is a shame - and you've got no one to blame" which sounds an awful a lot like the song of the same title and time period by Monie Love. This is possibly the source of the old rumor that she and Madonna were going to do something together. The similarity ends there, with Madonna's "Shame" demo breaking off into its own unique melody.

Goodbye To Innocence (unreleased alternate demos) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-640
This is very different from the commercially released remixed version which appeared on the various artists collection "Just Say Roe" and in a further revised dub from as "The Up Down Suite" as one of the B-sides for the "Rain" single. The unreleased demo versions use the same theme and many of the same lyrics, but everything is switched around and feels much darker than the released versions. It is a different vocal recording (strong-and-clear unlike the commercial mix). Much of the song's melody is different including the chorus. The arrangement is pure pop-funk-dance, no club remix style here. Extra lyrics include the spoken line: "Goodbye to innocence, anonymity (sic), peace of mind . . . Goodbye to privacy, goodbye to all of that. Hello mankind!" The chorus is also completely different: "You know you'd better stop, stop and think about how you get your kicks, God knows I didn't ask for this - you know you'd better stop, stop and think about it, before you mess with someone else, why don't you pay attention to yourself - yourself and nobody else". Most who have heard these demos cannot understand why the song was abandoned at this stage. It is probably the strongest of the "Erotica" demos. Thge first of the GTI demos is also interesting as studio talk can be heard in the background, notably Madonna laughing and saying "You ARE!" as the song ends. The two demos are mixed and arranged differently.

Actions Speak Louder Than Words (alternate rough and final demos) U.S. copyright office registration PAu-1-605-641.
Are without the eastern instrument found in the released version simply called "Words". Instead the synth keys that are found at the end of the commercial mix are used during the chorus. There is also a subtle guitar-like sound. Additional lyrics include "Your words are for fools", and "Your words are so cruel". The backing vocals and bridge arrangements are slightly different, the first Rough Mix, as you would expect, uses a different vocal take to the final edit and the discarded refrains have not yet taken form. The two final edits are actually slightly different in mix and quality, the one on the first tape being noticeably clearer and more polished.

Erotica (alternate rough and final demos). U.S. copyright registration PAu-1-605-642
Known to fans as You Thrill Me since these words are contained in the alternate lyrics. Madonna incorporated this demo into the version of Erotica that she performed on her 2006 Confessions Tour. It is significantly different from the released album version. The verse lyrics are the same as those used on the album, though there is no trace of the familiar chorus lyric "Erotic, Erotic, put your hands all over my body". Instead Madonna sings a different chorus line with a different melody in the same type of voice that ends with the line:

"....You are who you are....and I
Wouldn't want to change a thing...in spite of
All the pain that love can bring...
Tell me, what can I do? I'm so in love with you.
You thrill me, surround me, you fill me
You send me, you put me in a trance
You fill me, inside of me, you take me
You thrill me, you put me in a trance."
The instrumentation is approximately the same as the commercial mix but the released mix is more distinctive, more complex, and more exotic. The Rough Mix includes the complete refrain, "Erotica, romance, I'd like to put you in a trance . . . Erotica, romance, I'd like to do a different kind of dance" and uses an alternate vocal in parts. The two "final demos" are actually slightly different in mix and quality, the one on the first tape being noticeably clearer and more polished.

Jitterbug (song fragment, about 30-45 seconds)
This song was mostly taped over, but showed up between two of the other tracks. It is listed on the handwritten tape label, but it has no copyright registration of its own. The title was originally spelled with a "G", but was written over darker with a "J" in blue ink. It features typical generic Shep Pettibone dance music with Madonna finishing up with "Jitterbug, Jitterbug". Madonna stops singing but the music continues, and she can be heard asking "Is this gonna go on forever and ever"? The music still continues and she finally demands "Somebody end this dance lesson!" It abruptly ends. She then says into the microphone "There were some cute ideas there".

Thief Of Hearts (alternate demo versions) U.S. copyright registration# PAu-1-605-643
Use slightly different intro, bridge and outro arrangements. One version has what we know at the end of the song placed at the beginning. One uses the voice of a southern black woman to say the line "sit your a** down" instead of Madonna herself as done on the commercial release, and Madonna is briefly heard laughing immediately after. Each demo uses an alternate vocal take.
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Reply #4 posted 03/07/08 9:14pm

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where've you been? this is where the demo of "You Thrill Me" came from.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #5 posted 03/07/08 9:30pm

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btw, "Shame" is one of the ones I remember being mentioned as a title back in the day before the album came out. I wanna hear these, bad! And a complete version of "You Thrill Me", not just the acapella. All the other versions out there (aside from the Confessions Tour version) are mixes made by fans.
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #6 posted 03/07/08 9:40pm

GangstaFam

Burning a disc of the first batch now. About to listen.

Then onto the next ones...

:goodie:
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Reply #7 posted 03/07/08 9:51pm

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GangstaFam said:

Burning a disc of the first batch now. About to listen.

Then onto the next ones...

:goodie:



eek


drool


pray


wink


lick
"Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran
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Reply #8 posted 03/15/08 2:33pm

GangstaFam

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Reply #9 posted 03/15/08 2:35pm

HamsterHuey

I shiffer in delight...

45%
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Reply #10 posted 03/15/08 2:47pm

SoulAlive

Wow,I can't believe what I'm listening to right now love
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Reply #11 posted 03/15/08 2:51pm

VinnyM27

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You mean these are real and exist? Uh, wow!
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Reply #12 posted 03/15/08 2:53pm

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VinnyM27 said:

You mean these are real and exist? Uh, wow!


They exist.I'm listening to it right now!
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Reply #13 posted 03/15/08 2:54pm

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SoulAlive said:

Wow,I can't believe what I'm listening to right now love

mr.green
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Reply #14 posted 03/15/08 2:56pm

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GangstaFam said:

SoulAlive said:

Wow,I can't believe what I'm listening to right now love

mr.green


funny...the person who sent it to me had a smile just like that! lol
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Reply #15 posted 03/15/08 2:59pm

HamsterHuey

Just go to the fucking chorus.
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Reply #16 posted 03/15/08 3:03pm

GangstaFam

SoulAlive said:

funny...the person who sent it to me had a smile just like that! lol

what does it all mean? hmmm
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Reply #17 posted 03/15/08 3:04pm

SoulAlive

GangstaFam said:

SoulAlive said:

funny...the person who sent it to me had a smile just like that! lol

what does it all mean? hmmm


I have no idea,but I'm thrilled lol
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Reply #18 posted 03/15/08 3:09pm

GangstaFam

SoulAlive said:

I have no idea,but I'm thrilled lol

moi aussi! nod
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Reply #19 posted 03/15/08 3:18pm

GangstaFam

So what do y'all think?
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Reply #20 posted 03/15/08 3:19pm

SoulAlive

GangstaFam said:

Track listing

TAPE ONE SIDE ONE:(track #, title, time, date)

01. Rain (final demo, new harms) 5:23 6 December 1991
02. Rain (new vocal – damaged) 5:34 13 November 1991
03. Deeper & Deeper (final demo) 5:39 13 November 1991
04. Bye Bye Baby (first day ruff) 5:52
05. Bye Bye Baby (final demo) 4:02
06. Bye Bye Baby (second day ruff) 4:22
07. You Are The One (final edit demo) 4:36
08. Shame (final demo) 6:12

TAPE ONE SIDE TWO:

01. Shame (straight pass) 6:31
02. In This Life (edit) 6:27
03. Cheat (Drunk Girl) (edit) 5:36
04. Goodbye To Innocence (final edit) 6:11
05: Goodbye To Innocence (straight pass) 5:46
06: Actions Speak Louder Than Words (final edit 1) 5:45
07. Erotica (final demo 1) 5:14 16 January 1992

TAPE TWO SIDE ONE:

01. Actions Speak Louder Than Words (first day) 5:54
02. Actions Speak Louder Than Words (final edit 2) 5:49
03. Erotica (rough mix) 5:16 15 January 1992
04. Erotica (final demo 2) 5:24 15 January 1992
05. Thief Of Hearts (old music) 3:55 17 January 1992
06. Thief Of Hearts (new music) 5:12 20 January 1992
07. Jitterbug 0:36 15 January 1992
08. Thief Of Hearts (old music again) 5:15 22 January 1992

S.Pettibone/M. Ciccone/T.Shimkin


Did you ever read the Erotica Diaries? It gives alot of insight into the recording sessions of this album.
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Reply #21 posted 03/15/08 3:20pm

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SoulAlive said:


Did you ever read the Erotica Diaries? It gives alot of insight into the recording sessions of this album.

I did way back in the day when they were first published in '92. Haven't since. It'd probably be more meaningful now.
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Reply #22 posted 03/15/08 3:27pm

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wow, could someone send them to me as well??
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Reply #23 posted 03/15/08 3:48pm

Martinelli

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um, did the shit leak as listed above or just the few track?
...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #24 posted 03/15/08 5:25pm

Martinelli

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These r not the rain tapes.
It's fanmade from leaked clips put on a loop..interview snippets etc.. .
[Edited 3/15/08 17:25pm]
...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #25 posted 03/15/08 5:26pm

VinnyM27

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This is some amazing stuff! It's very rough but very cool.
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Reply #26 posted 03/15/08 5:32pm

Martinelli

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VinnyM27 said:

This is some amazing stuff! It's very rough but very cool.


too bad they ain't real though..
...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #27 posted 03/15/08 6:15pm

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Martinelli said:

VinnyM27 said:

This is some amazing stuff! It's very rough but very cool.


too bad they ain't real though..

Really? It's well done. I mean, the one of the mixes of "Bye, Bye Baby" was absurdly over the top with heavy bass pounding.
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Reply #28 posted 03/15/08 8:28pm

GangstaFam

Martinelli said:

These r not the rain tapes.
It's fanmade from leaked clips put on a loop..interview snippets etc.. .

I haven't listened to this zip file. But the ones that I've had for a week now seem quite authentic.
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Reply #29 posted 03/15/08 9:16pm

GangstaFam

Most of these do seem like the real deal. But "Goodbye To Innocence" and "Shame" definitely do have interview snippets. Hmm.
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