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Volitan

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Bebop

Recommend me some good bebop record. Preferably something with Miles on it. I tried finding out more about Charlie Parker's Reboppers (which Miles plays on) on wikipedia, but it's not even listed in Bird's or Miles' discography eek
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Reply #1 posted 02/29/08 8:32pm

baroque

the birth of cool.

not sure if its bebop..but..when i asked, i got this album.
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Reply #2 posted 02/29/08 8:57pm

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baroque said:

the birth of cool.

not sure if its bebop..but..when i asked, i got this album.


I want that fast tempo stuff. I understand Birth of the Cool was more like slower stuff.
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Reply #3 posted 02/29/08 11:01pm

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Volitan said:

baroque said:

the birth of cool.

not sure if its bebop..but..when i asked, i got this album.


I want that fast tempo stuff. I understand Birth of the Cool was more like slower stuff.

"Birth of cool" is not bebop.It was Miles new direction after the bebop years.
Get anything with Charlie Parker,Dizzie Gillespie and Miles in the same band.
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Reply #4 posted 02/29/08 11:36pm

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manki said:

Volitan said:



I want that fast tempo stuff. I understand Birth of the Cool was more like slower stuff.

"Birth of cool" is not bebop.It was Miles new direction after the bebop years.
Get anything with Charlie Parker,Dizzie Gillespie and Miles in the same band.
/peace Manki


Any recommendations specifically?
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Reply #5 posted 03/01/08 7:05am

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Charlie Parker's Reboppers isn't the name of an LP, it's the artist credit for the songs released from his first recording session as band leader in 1945. They weren't initialy released as an album, but spread over single sides.

The songs are "Now's the time", "Billie's bounce" (both covered live by Prince), "Meandering", "Koko", "Warming up a riff" & "Thriving on a riff".

This CD has them all:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/1...800&sr=8-6
[Edited 3/1/08 7:06am]
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Reply #6 posted 03/01/08 8:58am

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If you want Bebop and Miles, you're almost going in opposite directions. Miles was great, but he never had the fluidity to play classic Bebop. Just look for Dizzy (who certianly did have the chops) and or Charlie Parker. If you must have Miles in the mix, he played with Charlie Parker and he is on most any CP compilation.
I was recently given a copy of Sonny Stitt's "Personal Appearance" and like it a lot. It is a mistake that classic jazz is limited to a handful of the most known artists like DG, CP, and Miles. Charlie Rouse is a personal favorite of mine, too.
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Reply #7 posted 03/01/08 9:10am

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Bird and Diz -- An essential compilation of bop classics. The reissue features alternate takes.

The Yardbird Suite collection is good as well.

asdfjkl (get him to say it backwards and we send him back to the 5th dimension) is spot-on. Miles' style, even his early work, was quintessential "cool." His lush arrangements with Gil Evans are essential but markedly different from bop.

Bop and hard bop go beyond the architects. One of the clues is to explore the sidemen, many of whom went on to success as leaders of their own sets.

Art Blakey and Horace Silver were two of the purveyors of hard bop. I'd say you'd like


Horace Silver Trio (Blue Note)


Thelonious Monk: Genius of Modern Music Vol. 2

These will give you a great feel for bop and get you started.

Bird plays lightspeed and lights out, but others moved bop forward as well. artists like Blakey, Monk, Silver, Sonny Rollins and Sonny Stitt (previously mentioned).

The history of bop is somewhat complicated, delineating bop from hard bop, and so on, but I think these artists will give you much of what you may be looking for.
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Reply #8 posted 03/01/08 1:01pm

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Volitan said:

Recommend me some good bebop record. Preferably something with Miles on it. I tried finding out more about Charlie Parker's Reboppers (which Miles plays on) on wikipedia, but it's not even listed in Bird's or Miles' discography eek

Miles Davis w/Charlie Parker...


1945 (The age of 19)
Charlie Parker Story (Savoy MG 12079)
Charlie Parker Memorial, Vol. 2 (Savoy MG 12009)
The Immortal Charlie Parker (Savoy MG 12001)


1946
Charlie Parker - Yardbird In Lotus Land (Spotlite [E] SPJ 123)
Charlie Parker On Dial, Vol. 1 (Spotlite [E] SPJ 101)
Charlie Parker - Alternate Masters, Vol. 2 (Dial LP 905)


1947
Charlie Parker - Encores (Savoy SJL 1107)
The Genius Of Charlie Parker (Savoy MG 12014)
Charlie Parker Memorial, Vol. 1 (Savoy MG 12000)
Charlie Parker - The Complete Savoy Studio Sessions (Savoy SJL 5500)
Charlie Parker On Dial, Vol. 4 (Spotlite [E] SPJ 104)
Charlie Parker - The Bird Blows The Blues (Dial LP 901)
Charlie Parker - Alternate Masters, Vol. 1 (Dial LP 904)
Charlie Parker On Dial, Vol. 5 (Spotlite [E] SPJ 105)
Charlie Parker On Dial, Vol. 6 (Spotlite [E] SPJ 106)
Charlie Parker - Crazeology c/w Crazeology, II: 3 Ways Of Playing A Chorus (Dial 1034)
Charlie Parker, Vol. 4 (Dial LP 207)


1948
Gene Roland Band Featuring Charlie Parker - The Band That Never Was (Spotlite [E] SPJ 141)
Charlie Parker - Bird's Eyes, Vol. 6 (Philology [It] 214W 29)
Charlie Parker - Bird On 52nd St. (Jazz Workshop JWS 501)
Charlie Parker (Prestige PR 24009)
Charlie Parker - Bird At The Roost, Vol. 1 (Savoy Jazz ZDS 4411/12)
Newly Discovered Sides By Charlie Parker (Savoy MG 12186)
Charlie Parker - The 'Bird' Returns (Savoy MG 12179)
Charlie Parker - Miles Davis - Lee Konitz (Ozone 2)
Charlie Parker - Bird's Eyes, Vol. 1 (Philology [It] 214W 5)
Charlie Parker - Live Performances (ESP-Disk' ESP 3000)
Charlie Parker On The Air, Vol. 1 (Everest FS 214)


1949
The Metronome All Stars - From Swing To Be-Bop (RCA Camden CAL 426)
Charlie Parker - Rara Avis Avis, Rare Bird (Stash STCD 21)
Charlie Parker - Bird In Paris (Bird In Paris CP 3)


1950
Charlie Parker - Birth Of The Bebop: Bird On Tenor 1943 (Stash ST 260)


1951
The Genius Of Charlie Parker, #8 - Swedish Schnapps (Verve MGV 8010)
The Magnificent Charlie Parker (Clef MGC 646)

...http://www.jazzdisco.org/miles/

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Good luck hunting these down.


tA

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namepeace said:



Bird and Diz -- An essential compilation of bop classics. The reissue features alternate takes.


One of the chapters in the BeBop bible right there. thumbs up!





~ The Quintet: Jazz at Massey Hall
~ Dizzy Gillespie - The Complete RCA Victor Recordings - 1937-1949
~ The Complete Savoy and Dial Studio Recordings 1944-48
~ Tempus Fugue-It


tA

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Reply #10 posted 03/01/08 8:35pm

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~ The Quintet: Jazz at Massey Hall


A favorite of mine. It's all about "All The Things You Are" for me from that set.
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Reply #11 posted 03/05/08 6:24am

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Great selections!
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