well i guess i offended fans here, so in response they swearing me cuz they have no answer to introduction to my post so no other choice than to release frustration by swearing lol, i already said mj fan will say he is better prince fan will say he better madonna fan will say she is better mariah fan will say she is better its childish my dear isnt it lol, i didnt insulted prince in any of my post n i just stated few facts which made u fans swearing cuz u had no valid reply, all i cud see he is black, got no nose he is freak, he is not making music, i guess prince fan has such issues more dear then music, after selling more then 4 times then prince, after being best selling of all time, after singing n entertaining for 40 years, u still want more from him, he has done it all, nthing there to do any more, his music is enough to live, we dont want an album every years like prince may do yet sell nothing, six albums all he got n still ot sold every one, but u guys only can say from mouth prince is better prince is better lol ok dont cry i take ur words cheer up, mj achieved so much by mistake lol, any ways as u say mj dont make new albums firsly give prince 4 lives to born agian and agian a ty of sale, the from mj, sorry to hurt u guys, take care i teased enough sorry once agian, truth is bitter, which introduction of my post

jn2 said:

Stupid! all the artists today saying they've been influenced by Michael are not talking about his Walt Disney persona. They talk about his talent, creativity, genius, impact. All the artists you mentioned are not above MJ as influence.
Today, nobody influences pop culture like Michael, and to not see it you must be in denial.

speeddemon said:

Michael has obviously influence pop culture, but as someone said it is very superficial. He tends to influence those with not much depth, Ne-yo, Chris Brown, usher and JT. They all come across as manufactured wannabes, with not much depth.

I personally believe the influence of the Jackson 5 had more deep. I mean even Prince( and I know fans can't bear to hear this) was influence by the Jackson 5, amongst many other artists.

this makes me laugh

whatsgoingon said:

You're pintpointing MJ wannabees. Outside of these people, u have a sea of artists influenced by MJ, like Kanye West, Bjork, Mika, Kt Tunstall, Amy Winehouse, Metallica, Fall Out Boy.
They just don't try to be him!

speeddemon said:

Michael has obviously influence pop culture, but as someone said it is very superficial. He tends to influence those with not much depth, Ne-yo, Chris Brown, usher and JT. They all come across as manufactured wannabes, with not much depth.

I personally believe the influence of the Jackson 5 had more deep. I mean even Prince( and I know fans can't bear to hear this) was influence by the Jackson 5, amongst many other artists.

speeddemon said:

Dude, there is no MJ influence in any of those artists' music. I'm sure they all love Off The Wall, but there's a difference between liking an artist's work and actually being influenced by it. Amy Winehouse for instance is clearly more influenced by '60s soul artists than by MJ. KT Tunstall is a lot more influenced by the Bangles than by MJ. That fucking monstrosity Mika is clearly influenced by Freddie Mercury. These are influences that you can hear. You can't hear the MJ influence on any of them.

midnightmover said:

Well, we don't have the same definition of influence. You don't have to sound like the artist who's influenced you. In that case, Prince influenced nobody since few people even uses his synth-based funk sound, which obviously has dated. The Beatles were influenced by Chuck Berry or Elvis but didn't sound like them. Obviously, a lot of people have been influenced by Michael simply because his impact was just too vast. People like Kanye West put MJ's face in one of his video, Rick Ross calls his new album Trilla in tribute to Thriller, Gorillaz put dancing zombies in their video, electro french group Justice do a song in tribute to Michael, Fall Out Boy has a song called Thriller, Amy Winehouse saying Jackson is a genius or Chris Martin saying Bad was his first purchase are all elements of MJ's influence.
Same thing for Prince with the J5!

midnightmover said:

Well, we don't have the same definition of influence. You don't have to sound like the artist who's influenced you. In that case, Prince influenced nobody since few people even uses his synth-based funk sound, which obviously has dated. The Beatles were influenced by Chuck Berry or Elvis but didn't sound like them. Obviously, a lot of people have been influenced by Michael simply because his impact was just too vast. People like Kanye West put MJ's face in one of his video, Rick Ross calls his new album Trilla in tribute to Thriller, Gorillaz put dancing zombies in their video, electro french group Justice do a song in tribute to Michael, Fall Out Boy has a song called Thriller, Amy Winehouse saying Jackson is a genius or Chris Martin saying Bad was his first purchase are all elements of MJ's influence.
Same thing for Prince with the J5!

speeddemon said:

100% bullshit. First of all there is plenty of music out there that sounds like Prince. Check new releases from Justin and Alicia. Listen to Outkast, D'Angelo, Van Hunt, or the productions of Pharell. You obviously don't know much about the Beatles either. They not only covered Chuck Berry songs but they blatantly used his riffs on much of their early material, and later on John stole the melody from Chuck's "You Can't Catch Me" for "Come Together". John specifically said that Chuck was his "teacher".

You also do not understand the meaning of the word influence. Chris Martin saying Bad was his first purchase does not mean he was influenced by him. Winehouse calling him a genius does not mean she was influenced by him. You are twisting the definition of the word to fit your argument.

purplecam said:

nobody wants to hate MJ, we all liked him, and still like the old stuff. But if you're objective, it's impossible to support the self destruction he's engaged in, and impossible to get behind his "new hype" and believe that what comes next will only be bigger & better than before.

midnightmover said:

Ok, so the Beatles covered Chuck Berry, guess what? plenty of people covered Michael, so by definition they're influenced by him. I know the guitar riffs of Lennon might have been influenced by Chuck as much as Michael vocal harmonies, rythmic structure in songs have influenced plenty as well, such as Justin and Pharrell. And don't tell me Quincy has something to do with it. Quincy layed his production to an already matured and stylised versions of MJ's songs such as Billie Jean and Wanna Be. Michael heralded the era when pop songs will be driven by rythmic and beats over melody. And every r&b artists that followed chased the billie Jean thing, including Pharrell.
Otherwise, most of the artists you listed don't sound like Prince, they sound more like Sly or Curtis Mayfield, while Outkast are a rap group. Prince made a specific 80's sound that has dated, period. He might be influential for his artistic experimentations, his live performances but his sound doesn't live up today.

speeddemon said:

If you read the sleeve notes to D'Angelo's last album he talks about how Prince might feel robbed listening to it because it's so Prince influenced. He just focused on the more laid back side of Prince's work rather than the earlier party tunes like 1999 which seem to be your sole reference point. You say his sound has dated. Well, I don't know if you realize it but Prince changed his sound after Purple Rain and tracks like "Sign O The Times" and "Alphabet Street" sound just as fresh today as they did then. As for Outkast, they are only a rap group half the time. The rest of the time they're singing and Prince's trademark sounds are all over their work. From the drum sounds to the speeded up voices. If you listen to "She Lives In My Lap" it's clearly based on Prince's "She's Always In My Hair". Even more importantly Prince gave people like Outkast, Macy Gray, TTD, Basement Jaxx the courage to be different. And I repeat, listen to Alicia Keys or Justin Timberlake's new singles. Anyone can hear they are leaning heavily on Prince's influence. I challenge you to name a single recent track that is so clearly Mike influenced.

Shouldn't this shit be locked by now? .....

bboy87 said:

I know right? Why is this still here?

purplecam said:

We're tired of all of the MJ threads this was a stupid one but it's stayed open?
I mean, I love Mike and all, but damnit if I gotta talk about him all the time

bboy87 said:

See that's so funny hearing that from you and you're a huge MJ fan but I agree with you.

midnightmover said:

Ne-Yo's entire album

bboy87 said:

I can definitely hear it in Ne-Yo's vocals and harmonies, but not in the music. I can also see it in his dancing, but since his dancing is an embarrasment anyway I don't see that as a good thing.

Again, you focus on MJ wannabees.Other than that, there are plenty of artists of different ground and style that are influenced by Michael. Michael's influence is multidimensional, it rely on music, dance, videos, production, vocals,... You can see influence of Michael on LA Reid, Babyface, Savion Glover, Pharell, Bjork, Hype Williams,... and more. Plus, Michael's influence is global. Prince has made a specific, different,unique sound but it's dated. All the artists you mentioned don't sound like him, but they certainly were influenced by him.
Chuck Berry is nowhere near as influential as Michael. I see more MJ clones than Chuck's ever had. He influenced a lot but his limited appeal also limited his influence.

midnightmover said:

That Lemonhead-looking fool can't even do MJ dancing good, lol.

speeddemon said:

If you read the sleeve notes to D'Angelo's last album he talks about how Prince might feel robbed listening to it because it's so Prince influenced. He just focused on the more laid back side of Prince's work rather than the earlier party tunes like 1999 which seem to be your sole reference point. You say his sound has dated. Well, I don't know if you realize it but Prince changed his sound after Purple Rain and tracks like "Sign O The Times" and "Alphabet Street" sound just as fresh today as they did then. As for Outkast, they are only a rap group half the time. The rest of the time they're singing and Prince's trademark sounds are all over their work. From the drum sounds to the speeded up voices. If you listen to "She Lives In My Lap" it's clearly based on Prince's "She's Always In My Hair". Even more importantly Prince gave people like Outkast, Macy Gray, TTD, Basement Jaxx the courage to be different. And I repeat, listen to Alicia Keys or Justin Timberlake's new singles. Anyone can hear they are leaning heavily on Prince's influence. I challenge you to name a single recent track that is so clearly Mike influenced. Hell, even the Rihanna track that samples Wanna Be Starting Something doesn't sound anything like Michael because it's sampling the African chant which wasn't Michael's anyway.

Finally, you cannot compare the influence Chuck Berry had on music with the influence Mike had. Chuck's riffs were blatantly used by a million bands. I cannot hear how Michael specifically is influencing anyone's music. I can see how he's influencing their videos. I can see how childish, kiddie artists like Chris Brown want to dance like him, but I don't regard that as something to be proud of. I regard it as confirmation of how his appeal was more down to videos and dancing than music.