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PrintableThis choreography remindz me of Britney Spearz on the MTV Awardz.Lazy and uninspired.Plain boring.  | |
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Isel said: ehuffnsd said: Is Kelly still dancing or has she retired? Aren't most active professional dancers mid to early 20s? Maybe they'll get more sexual energy down as they get used to performing together? I like the type of dancers that Will Baker pics for the Kylie Tours. And I hope if it's not Gil being the artistic director she picks someone who is able to insipre her to do something different if not at least ditch the whimiscial section... though Steve Barry is still playing guitar for her... It depends. Tyce is in amazing shape, for example. I saw a clip of him dancing not long ago, and the guy is better than a lot of 20 year olds! LOL Now.. Kelly.. well she broke her ankle, didn't she?? Not recently but what I'm saying is that it's ALL about injuries--similar to ANY athlete. Bebe Newrath, for example, appeared in Chicago not long ago after having a hip replacement!  Now she switched roles from Velma to Roxie, but she was still dancing.
It's really more about injury--and how well "the body" is holding up rather than age in many cases. Now some dancers get a bit... lazy OR they lose interest in performing--preferring to choreograph.. then get a bit out of shape. But someone like TYCE for example.. my goodness, that guy can STILL dance BIG TIME in his late 30's even. Amazing... P.S. Ann Reinking was in her 40's (I think) when she won a Tony for Chicago. Baryshnikov still dances (in his 60's)... I think... Ethan Stieffel, Carlos Agosta, Elisabeth Parkinson, Desmond Richardson--all in their 30's still dance. Sylvie Guillem still dances. I think she's in her late 30's. It just all depends upon "the body." [Edited 3/2/08 17:36pm] Isel, you sure know your dancers. I know there was a guy, Dudley Williams, who danced with Alvin Ailey in his 60s and still quite good. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Maybe it's not so much about whether Janet can still dance as much as it is about her just needing a new presentation.  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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janet needs to get back together with tina, and fast. i LOVE the new record but the choreography to feedback is just terrible. i mean...what is the point? what is she trying to do or communicate or whatever? it's bad. i haven't been a fan of gil's choreography in general but this is especially bad.
that said, rock with you at the nokia theatre was hot, so i have to give props for that. An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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sassybritches said: janet needs to get back together with tina, and fast. i LOVE the new record but the choreography to feedback is just terrible. i mean...what is the point? what is she trying to do or communicate or whatever? it's bad. i haven't been a fan of gil's choreography in general but this is especially bad.
that said, rock with you at the nokia theatre was hot, so i have to give props for that. welcome back. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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she needs JONTE he will set her straight  | |
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The dancing has become so routine and BORING!! And how come no one has mentioned Terry Bixler??? His chair routine for Miss U Much is classic and he also did the All Right video.
Tyce looks GOOOD in Paula Abdul's new video by the way!
Bring back Tina Landon or just sit in a chair and sing. | |
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TotalAlisa said: 
Her wig looks like those wigs that Donna Summer used to wear in 1977 Is this really Janet's new look for this album? | |
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I'm not hear to slam Janet at all. However, I have to agree with
the others on the board unfortunately. Her dance routines have become mundane and stale as baked beans  on a shelve since the arrival of the Britneys,Xtinas,Ciaras,Rhiannas, and Beyonces have
stolen every move. Now, its time for her to reorganize with Tina and start Fresh. | |
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Of course, she has a Tour coming up. Maybe she'll get herself in gear by that time. Perhaps, she's just warming up w/a trial run rehearsal. | |
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JackieBlue said: Isel said: It depends. Tyce is in amazing shape, for example. I saw a clip of him dancing not long ago, and the guy is better than a lot of 20 year olds! LOL Now.. Kelly.. well she broke her ankle, didn't she?? Not recently but what I'm saying is that it's ALL about injuries--similar to ANY athlete. Bebe Newrath, for example, appeared in Chicago not long ago after having a hip replacement! Now she switched roles from Velma to Roxie, but she was still dancing.
It's really more about injury--and how well "the body" is holding up rather than age in many cases. Now some dancers get a bit... lazy OR they lose interest in performing--preferring to choreograph.. then get a bit out of shape. But someone like TYCE for example.. my goodness, that guy can STILL dance BIG TIME in his late 30's even. Amazing... P.S. Ann Reinking was in her 40's (I think) when she won a Tony for Chicago. Baryshnikov still dances (in his 60's)... I think... Ethan Stieffel, Carlos Agosta, Elisabeth Parkinson, Desmond Richardson--all in their 30's still dance. Sylvie Guillem still dances. I think she's in her late 30's. It just all depends upon "the body." [Edited 3/2/08 17:36pm] Isel, you sure know your dancers. I know there was a guy, Dudley Williams, who danced with Alvin Ailey in his 60s and still quite good. LOL!!!!! Old hoofers never die: they just shuffle off! LOL I used to be pretty involved in the dance community, soo.. yeah.. I'm "up" on it. See.. I just don't take it all that seriously as far as music artists and their dancers. The choreography can't outshine, the artist, so to speak. I will say this with many if not all of these back-up dancers--like Tyce for example.. what we see them to is just a fraction of WHAT THEY CAN DO. That to me is the real shame. Their job in this context is to "complement" and support the artist. In fact, Tyce might be a very interesting choice for choreographer. His "contemporary" choreography on SYTYCD is great! A lot of people have "issues" with is Broadway stuff. I don't because I realize he really doesn't have a lot of artistic "freedom" in matter to a certain extent. Like I said.. I think somebody like Barry.. who has choreographed and/or served as artistic director for Usher, Ciara.. well a number of artists would be a good choice to oversee Janet's current project. I think it would be a great reunion of sorts.. And Barry would really show Janet to her greatest potential with who she is NOW rather than what she was 20 years ago. ETA Here's a little tidbit about Barry. I don't know how accurate it is, but most of it seems correct! LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rry_Lather [Edited 3/3/08 5:32am] | |
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JackieBlue said: Maybe it's not so much about whether Janet can still dance as much as it is about her just needing a new presentation.
I've seen a few of her recent live performances and it's the same old thing....stale choreography.For her tour,she should do something drastically different,something she's never done before. | |
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utopia7 said: she needs JONTE he will set her straight
That boy KNOW what he is doing...He is Beyonces choreographer but he was dancing on Good Morning AMerica...he needs to take over as fast as possible. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Maybe doing away with ‘the kids’ is a good idea and get some grown sexy adults who know how to make her look good even if she does have a bum leg. There’s something to be said for veteran dancers who know how to make moves look good without a whole bunch of vogueing, backflipping and crawling on the floor. Speaking of vogueing, I still will never forget she-who-shall-not-be-named’s first performance of Vogue. That’s the kind of attention grabbing performance I want to see from a someone who’s been counted out. A nice spin to an old dance. This is why I still enjoy she-who-shall-not-be-named concerts. Most always a different production.
A whole new production team or something might be needed. Maybe go with a veteran production designer. Who’s ‘guiding’ her now? Jermaine? Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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yes its time janet grow up her show and stop doing the kids thing she is 40 and the girl image is long gone since all her songs r sooo sexual now bring back shawnette heard,tina landon,omar lopez the good dancers she had during the janet era http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vbnsc_3_Wxg
check out that video of throb her best dancer i would love 2 c gil come up wit something like that | |
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I guess we’re stuck with Gil until he sleeps with JD, orders drugs in her name or steals her credit card to go shopping. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: This is why I still enjoy she-who-shall-not-be-named concerts. Most always a different production.
lawd Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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JackieBlue said: Maybe doing away with ‘the kids’ is a good idea and get some grown sexy adults who know how to make her look good even if she does have a bum leg. There’s something to be said for veteran dancers who know how to make moves look good without a whole bunch of vogueing, backflipping and crawling on the floor. Speaking of vogueing, I still will never forget she-who-shall-not-be-named’s first performance of Vogue. That’s the kind of attention grabbing performance I want to see from a someone who’s been counted out. A nice spin to an old dance. This is why I still enjoy she-who-shall-not-be-named concerts. Most always a different production.
A whole new production team or something might be needed. Maybe go with a veteran production designer. Who’s ‘guiding’ her now? Jermaine? i would say she should work with Jamie King, but I'm starting to go tired of his work. Almost every tour i've seen recently has him involved and it's all starting to look the same. Though it may alieante her urban fans but I think William Baker would do amazing work with her. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Gil isn't sole choreographer on Feedback just so we all know.  | |
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paisleypark4 said: utopia7 said: she needs JONTE he will set her straight
That boy KNOW what he is doing...He is Beyonces choreographer but he was dancing on Good Morning AMerica...he needs to take over as fast as possible. Amen to that ! or Dannielle Polanco whom she works with already she needs to chim in as well | |
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She should work with Wade Robson, he's tight with the Jacksons, way before britney and n sync came along too. [Edited 3/3/08 21:47pm] | |
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according to someone on here this b's guy and i think he could help janet. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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matthewgrant said: Gil isn't sole choreographer on Feedback just so we all know.
WHo else is? The only part I do like is when the guy sticks his foot out and she flips him over followed by her controlling the robot girl Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: matthewgrant said: Gil isn't sole choreographer on Feedback just so we all know.
WHo else is? The only part I do like is when the guy sticks his foot out and she flips him over followed by her controlling the robot girl Ed Moore. | |
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ehuffnsd said: according to someone on here this b's guy and i think he could help janet. I don't think Janet could pull off some of this guys moves. He looks like a tranined dancer that incorporated some street moves in his routines. Hell, if he is B's choreographer I can see why *her* ass looks flickted doing this guys moves.
As a side note -- it was funny to hear a remake of Vanity 6's "Make-Up" during the routine.
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Ifsixwuz9 said: ehuffnsd said: according to someone on here this b's guy and i think he could help janet. I don't think Janet could pull off some of this guys moves. He looks like a tranined dancer that incorporated some street moves in his routines. Hell, if he is B's choreographer I can see why *her* ass looks flickted doing this guys moves.
As a side note -- it was funny to hear a remake of Vanity 6's "Make-Up" during the routine.
. [Edited 3/4/08 9:50am] he's only done Freekum Dress as far as i can tell. but i love hs work i checked out his myspace page. he's AMAZING! You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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paisleypark4 said: matthewgrant said: Gil isn't sole choreographer on Feedback just so we all know.
WHo else is? The only part I do like is when the guy sticks his foot out and she flips him over followed by her controlling the robot girl I think in one interview Janet referred to Gil as "her artistic director and one of her choreographers"? Being an artistic director is a huge job: it's the person who oversees the "vision" of the whole project--whether a tour, videos, other performances, or more than likely all three. Jaime King has been Madge's AD for years. He hires choreographers who might submit reels, showing how their work "fits-in" with Jaime's overall concept. Like I said, Barry Lather--not quite a household name among some--but among many in the dance community is a very respected artistic director and/or choreographer. Like I said, I don't have ANY complaints with Gil's choreographer necessarily, but I do agree with some of you all that it might be his "concept"--even filtering down to the dancers he's selected might NOT be the best "vision" or "look" for Janet. And it's true Gil isn't the ONLY choreographer: ED-mo also choreographed for 20 Y.O. as well as this project. In fact, JJ has always used more of a "team" approach--like many other artists--including but not limited to Madonna--has done. There are even assistant choreographers contributing, so sometimes it's difficult to tell exactly who has done what. But I do agree.. it's more about the "vision," that seems to be a bit too juvenile more so than the specific choreography. [Edited 3/5/08 5:44am] | |
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Isel said: paisleypark4 said: WHo else is? The only part I do like is when the guy sticks his foot out and she flips him over followed by her controlling the robot girl I think in one interview Janet referred to Gil as "her artistic director and one of her choreographers"? Being an artistic director is a huge job: it's the person who oversees the "vision" of the whole project--whether a tour, videos, other performances, or more than likely all three. Jaime King has been Madge's AD for years. He hires choreographers who might submit reels, showing how their work "fits-in" with Jaime's overall concept. Like I said, Barry Lather--not quite a household name among some--but among many in the dance community is a very respected artistic director and/or choreographer. Like I said, I don't have ANY complaints with Gil's choreographer necessarily, but I do agree with some of you all that it might be his "concept"--even filtering down to the dancers he's selected might NOT be the best "vision" or "look" for Janet. And it's true Gil isn't the ONLY choreographer: ED-mo also choreographed for 20 Y.O. as well as this project. In fact, JJ has always used more of a "team" approach--like many other artists--including but not limited to Madonna--has done. There are even assistant choreographers contributing, so sometimes it's difficult to tell exactly who has done what. But I do agree.. it's more about the "vision," that seems to be a bit too juvenile more so than the specific choreography. [Edited 3/5/08 5:44am] she is giving that unartistisc and uncreative... man to much power over her AIRHEAD-self... why can't janet think for herself... she has been in the game for a long time... Now im almost starting to think she had NO talent.. any time she is letting this guy take control of her artistic aspect... |
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TotalAlisa said: Isel said: I think in one interview Janet referred to Gil as "her artistic director and one of her choreographers"? Being an artistic director is a huge job: it's the person who oversees the "vision" of the whole project--whether a tour, videos, other performances, or more than likely all three. Jaime King has been Madge's AD for years. He hires choreographers who might submit reels, showing how their work "fits-in" with Jaime's overall concept. Like I said, Barry Lather--not quite a household name among some--but among many in the dance community is a very respected artistic director and/or choreographer. Like I said, I don't have ANY complaints with Gil's choreographer necessarily, but I do agree with some of you all that it might be his "concept"--even filtering down to the dancers he's selected might NOT be the best "vision" or "look" for Janet. And it's true Gil isn't the ONLY choreographer: ED-mo also choreographed for 20 Y.O. as well as this project. In fact, JJ has always used more of a "team" approach--like many other artists--including but not limited to Madonna--has done. There are even assistant choreographers contributing, so sometimes it's difficult to tell exactly who has done what. But I do agree.. it's more about the "vision," that seems to be a bit too juvenile more so than the specific choreography. [Edited 3/5/08 5:44am] she is giving that unartistisc and uncreative... man to much power over her AIRHEAD-self... why can't janet think for herself... she has been in the game for a long time... Now im almost starting to think she had NO talent.. any time she is letting this guy take control of her artistic aspect... everyone has artistic directors. people work better as teams. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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