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PrintableI think she needs to get Barry Lather back as Artistic Director at the very least. He is a highly acclaimed and innovative choreographer!
Also, why does everyone forget Marty Kudelka--another very successful choreographer who has worked with Janet in the All4You era? I really like Marty. THAT SAID, I don't mind Gil's work too much. In fact, I think it's interesting in a Fosse-like sort of way. The problem is his dancers are too young to pull it off. Fosse's work was SEXY.. WAY SEXY. Women danced Fosse--not little girls or dancers who looked like little girls. Actually Fosse is very "female" oriented when one thinks about it, but the male dancers were also strong and sexy, too. The women stood out though.. I guess it was because Fosse's interest in burlesque? I don't think Gil's dancers are BAD, but they just don't have the sexual energy needed make the best of the moves. It looks like high school because the dancers look like their in high school albeit very good dancers. They just don't have a mature, sophisticated appeal. Also, he really needed to get some older dancers to play-off Janet---like TYCE! LOL As far as Janet.. I thought I read she has been having some really bad knee problems. I thought I read she had a torn meniscus in both knees?? That could be why she doesn't seem to dance full-out sometimes??? [Edited 3/2/08 15:49pm] | |
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JackieBlue said: Two or three like Tina Turner or maybe five way back there somewhere is enough. It would be nice to see her just hold her own with a mic or a headset and do a little more than just walk back and forth across the stage and striking the standard pose of straight legs, right hip jutted outward, and the lean. If she's not going to pick up a guitar she better do something. I remember (some) fans being bored on the last tour. What's she gonna do this time around?
I didn't see All 4 U live but caught the HBO special in Hawaii and was surprised on how it boring at times. The only routine that floored me was the Trust a Try routine. | |
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wonder505 said: JackieBlue said: Two or three like Tina Turner or maybe five way back there somewhere is enough. It would be nice to see her just hold her own with a mic or a headset and do a little more than just walk back and forth across the stage and striking the standard pose of straight legs, right hip jutted outward, and the lean. If she's not going to pick up a guitar she better do something. I remember (some) fans being bored on the last tour. What's she gonna do this time around?
I didn't see All 4 U live but caught the HBO special in Hawaii and was surprised on how it boring at times. The only routine that floored me was the Trust a Try routine. I LOVE "TRUST A TRY," too! Gil choreographed that one.. or so I've been told. | |
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OfftheWall said: midnightmover said: Anthony Thomas was her best choreographer. That bit in bold there is not funny, Tim. Janet does nothing by herself. The guy who choreographed that video spoke about it at length in a great documentary called "Everybody Dance Now". Everyone here should watch that. His quotes were quite revealing. He said that "the person who was guiding her at the time" (Rene?) had decided Janet should dance alone in this video. He said "She looked at me as if to say "Can I do it?", and I said "If it's done right and choreographed to the T, then yeah". Notice how it was Rene's idea for her to dance alone and how the chreographer knew that every move would have to be choreographed for it to work. Janet cannot function without someone telling her what to do. Don't take my word for this. Check out the documentary. It focuses on James Brown, Cholly Atkins, MJ, Paula, Janet, Hammer, Rosie Perez, Vince Patterson, and C&C Music Factory. It's a great program. Are YOU Rene?  If he has sores, he is | |
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first off... any of the org gays doing White Party in PS this year? The rumor is that Janet will be the headliner.
Second Janet's stage costumes have always been "interesting" to say the least. Not quite as high fashion as Madonna and Kylie and what Christina does. And not as trashy as Britney's costumes. Have you, Alisa, not taken into consideration her age and weight issues and how that might be affecting her ability to dance so therefore it has been toned down? I enjoyed the feedback performance, which will be a similar to the tour, and all artists do similar if not spot on repeat performaces when on promo tours. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: first off... any of the org gays doing White Party in PS this year? The rumor is that Janet will be the headliner.
Second Janet's stage costumes have always been "interesting" to say the least. Not quite as high fashion as Madonna and Kylie and what Christina does. And not as trashy as Britney's costumes. Have you, Alisa, not taken into consideration her age and weight issues and how that might be affecting her ability to dance so therefore it has been toned down? I enjoyed the feedback performance, which will be a similar to the tour, and all artists do similar if not spot on repeat performaces when on promo tours. i agree somewhat. I think we cannot expect Janet to dance the way she did years ago. Also, it could be that she's holding back and waiting to put all in for the tour who knows. | |
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wonder505 said: ehuffnsd said: first off... any of the org gays doing White Party in PS this year? The rumor is that Janet will be the headliner.
Second Janet's stage costumes have always been "interesting" to say the least. Not quite as high fashion as Madonna and Kylie and what Christina does. And not as trashy as Britney's costumes. Have you, Alisa, not taken into consideration her age and weight issues and how that might be affecting her ability to dance so therefore it has been toned down? I enjoyed the feedback performance, which will be a similar to the tour, and all artists do similar if not spot on repeat performaces when on promo tours. i agree somewhat. I think we cannot expect Janet to dance the way she did years ago. Also, it could be that she's holding back and waiting to put all in for the tour who knows. We need to remember that she who should not be mentioned had to do the RIT with all kinds of ankle, knee, back and wrist braces on. she was 44 at that time and has been in killer shape since 87. i wouldn't be surprised to see Janet to tone done how heavy the cherography she is involved in is. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Isel said: I think she needs to get Barry Lather back as Artistic Director at the very least. He is a highly acclaimed and innovative choreographer!
Also, why does everyone forget Marty Kudelka--another very successful choreographer who has worked with Janet in the All4You era? I really like Marty. THAT SAID, I don't mind Gil's work too much. In fact, I think it's interesting in a Fosse-like sort of way. The problem is his dancers are too young to pull it off. Fosse's work was SEXY.. WAY SEXY. Women danced Fosse--not little girls or dancers who looked like little girls. Actually Fosse is very "female" oriented when one thinks about it, but the male dancers were also strong and sexy, too. The women stood out though.. I guess it was because Fosse's interest in burlesque? I don't think Gil's dancers are BAD, but they just don't have the sexual energy needed make the best of the moves. It looks like high school because the dancers look like their in high school albeit very good dancers. They just don't have a mature, sophisticated appeal. Also, he really needed to get some older dancers to play-off Janet---like TYCE! LOL As far as Janet.. I thought I read she has been having some really bad knee problems. I thought I read she had a torn meniscus in both knees?? That could be why she doesn't seem to dance full-out sometimes??? [Edited 3/2/08 15:49pm] Is Kelly still dancing or has she retired? Aren't most active professional dancers mid to early 20s? Maybe they'll get more sexual energy down as they get used to performing together? I like the type of dancers that Will Baker pics for the Kylie Tours. And I hope if it's not Gil being the artistic director she picks someone who is able to insipre her to do something different if not at least ditch the whimiscial section... though Steve Barry is still playing guitar for her... You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: I think she needs to get Barry Lather back as Artistic Director at the very least. He is a highly acclaimed and innovative choreographer!
Also, why does everyone forget Marty Kudelka--another very successful choreographer who has worked with Janet in the All4You era? I really like Marty. THAT SAID, I don't mind Gil's work too much. In fact, I think it's interesting in a Fosse-like sort of way. The problem is his dancers are too young to pull it off. Fosse's work was SEXY.. WAY SEXY. Women danced Fosse--not little girls or dancers who looked like little girls. Actually Fosse is very "female" oriented when one thinks about it, but the male dancers were also strong and sexy, too. The women stood out though.. I guess it was because Fosse's interest in burlesque? I don't think Gil's dancers are BAD, but they just don't have the sexual energy needed make the best of the moves. It looks like high school because the dancers look like their in high school albeit very good dancers. They just don't have a mature, sophisticated appeal. Also, he really needed to get some older dancers to play-off Janet---like TYCE! LOL As far as Janet.. I thought I read she has been having some really bad knee problems. I thought I read she had a torn meniscus in both knees?? That could be why she doesn't seem to dance full-out sometimes??? [Edited 3/2/08 15:49pm] Is Kelly still dancing or has she retired? Aren't most active professional dancers mid to early 20s? Maybe they'll get more sexual energy down as they get used to performing together? I like the type of dancers that Will Baker pics for the Kylie Tours. And I hope if it's not Gil being the artistic director she picks someone who is able to insipre her to do something different if not at least ditch the whimiscial section... though Steve Barry is still playing guitar for her... It depends. Tyce is in amazing shape, for example. I saw a clip of him dancing not long ago, and the guy is better than a lot of 20 year olds! LOL Now.. Kelly.. well she broke her ankle, didn't she?? Not recently but what I'm saying is that it's ALL about injuries--similar to ANY athlete. Bebe Newrath, for example, appeared in Chicago not long ago after having a hip replacement!  Now she switched roles from Velma to Roxie, but she was still dancing.
It's really more about injury--and how well "the body" is holding up rather than age in many cases. Now some dancers get a bit... lazy OR they lose interest in performing--preferring to choreograph.. then get a bit out of shape. But someone like TYCE for example.. my goodness, that guy can STILL dance BIG TIME in his late 30's even. Amazing... P.S. Ann Reinking was in her 40's (I think) when she won a Tony for Chicago. Baryshnikov still dances (in his 60's)... I think... Ethan Stieffel, Carlos Agosta, Elisabeth Parkinson, Desmond Richardson--all in their 30's still dance. Sylvie Guillem still dances. I think she's in her late 30's. It just all depends upon "the body." [Edited 3/2/08 17:36pm] | |
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wonder505 said: ehuffnsd said: first off... any of the org gays doing White Party in PS this year? The rumor is that Janet will be the headliner.
Second Janet's stage costumes have always been "interesting" to say the least. Not quite as high fashion as Madonna and Kylie and what Christina does. And not as trashy as Britney's costumes. Have you, Alisa, not taken into consideration her age and weight issues and how that might be affecting her ability to dance so therefore it has been toned down? I enjoyed the feedback performance, which will be a similar to the tour, and all artists do similar if not spot on repeat performaces when on promo tours. i agree somewhat. I think we cannot expect Janet to dance the way she did years ago. Also, it could be that she's holding back and waiting to put all in for the tour who knows. then she needs to get out of the game |
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TotalAlisa said: wonder505 said: i agree somewhat. I think we cannot expect Janet to dance the way she did years ago. Also, it could be that she's holding back and waiting to put all in for the tour who knows. then she needs to get out of the game Why? | |
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Isel said: ehuffnsd said: Is Kelly still dancing or has she retired? Aren't most active professional dancers mid to early 20s? Maybe they'll get more sexual energy down as they get used to performing together? I like the type of dancers that Will Baker pics for the Kylie Tours. And I hope if it's not Gil being the artistic director she picks someone who is able to insipre her to do something different if not at least ditch the whimiscial section... though Steve Barry is still playing guitar for her... It depends. Tyce is in amazing shape, for example. I saw a clip of him dancing not long ago, and the guy is better than a lot of 20 year olds! LOL Now.. Kelly.. well she broke her ankle, didn't she?? Not recently but what I'm saying is that it's ALL about injuries--similar to ANY athlete. Bebe Newrath, for example, appeared in Chicago not long ago after having a hip replacement! Now she switched roles from Velma to Roxie, but she was still dancing.
It's really more about injury--and how well "the body" is holding up rather than age in many cases. Now some dancers get a bit... lazy OR they lose interest in performing--preferring to choreograph.. then get a bit out of shape. But someone like TYCE for example.. my goodness, that guy can STILL dance BIG TIME in his late 30's even. Amazing... P.S. Ann Reinking was in her 40's (I think) when she won a Tony for Chicago. Baryshnikov still dances (in his 60's)... I think... Ethan Stieffel, Carlos Agosta, Elisabeth Parkinson, Desmond Richardson--all in their 30's still dance. Sylvie Guillem still dances. I think she's in her late 30's. It just all depends upon "the body." [Edited 3/2/08 17:36pm] i believe my beloved Marco DeSilva is late 20s early 30s. and he's still touring with Kylie any footage of Tyce? and Twila still does alot of work as does Toni Basil. i know it's not impossible just the wear and tear of a dancer can be brutal. [Edited 3/2/08 17:44pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Isel said: TotalAlisa said: then she needs to get out of the game Why? if you are going to do a half job... then get out of the game.. NO one wants to see that.. and those sorry dance moves.. that she has been doing is the weakest... i seen better britney routines then that |
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Isel said: TotalAlisa said: then she needs to get out of the game Why? i still wonder why Alisa is a fan of Janets. She thinks she's tired, to gay friendly and overly sexy. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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TotalAlisa said: Isel said: Why? if you are going to do a half job... then get out of the game.. NO one wants to see that.. and those sorry dance moves.. that she has been doing is the weakest... i seen better britney routines then that Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to transiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. At one point I think they--male or female--run the risk of being characatures of their former selves.  [Edited 3/2/08 17:50pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: It depends. Tyce is in amazing shape, for example. I saw a clip of him dancing not long ago, and the guy is better than a lot of 20 year olds! LOL Now.. Kelly.. well she broke her ankle, didn't she?? Not recently but what I'm saying is that it's ALL about injuries--similar to ANY athlete. Bebe Newrath, for example, appeared in Chicago not long ago after having a hip replacement! Now she switched roles from Velma to Roxie, but she was still dancing.
It's really more about injury--and how well "the body" is holding up rather than age in many cases. Now some dancers get a bit... lazy OR they lose interest in performing--preferring to choreograph.. then get a bit out of shape. But someone like TYCE for example.. my goodness, that guy can STILL dance BIG TIME in his late 30's even. Amazing... P.S. Ann Reinking was in her 40's (I think) when she won a Tony for Chicago. Baryshnikov still dances (in his 60's)... I think... Ethan Stieffel, Carlos Agosta, Elisabeth Parkinson, Desmond Richardson--all in their 30's still dance. Sylvie Guillem still dances. I think she's in her late 30's. It just all depends upon "the body." [Edited 3/2/08 17:36pm] i believe my beloved Marco DeSilva is late 20s early 30s. and he's still touring with Kylie any footage of Tyce? and Twila still does alot of work as does Toni Basil. i know it's not impossible just the wear and tear of a dancer can be brutal. [Edited 3/2/08 17:44pm] Actually, I saw him on a Co. Dance reel one of my friends sent to me. I don't know if it's on the "general" internet or not. The thing I LOVE about Tyce is he has so much joy when he dances.. Technically the guy is... well... still on-point, but it's more than that. It's this exuberance he has.. I was just blown away. | |
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Isel said: TotalAlisa said: if you are going to do a half job... then get out of the game.. NO one wants to see that.. and those sorry dance moves.. that she has been doing is the weakest... i seen better britney routines then that Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. very true.. and i think janet is special.. but i think she can do better then what she is doing right now.... actually.. i don't expect a rhythm nation or escapade type of dance... but i expect better... even if you don't have those dances.. atleast have your style and hair looking awesome... and not wearing some cheap color wig.. that looks shiny and fake |
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Isel said: TotalAlisa said: if you are going to do a half job... then get out of the game.. NO one wants to see that.. and those sorry dance moves.. that she has been doing is the weakest... i seen better britney routines then that Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. my ex who is a theatre costume designer and former professional dancer says that you know you have made it when you can stand and everyone dances around you and move your arms every so often. Cher, Celine, Kylie, Madonna more and more as time moves on pull it off well. I'm sure she can continue but I wonder how much stress the weight issues have put on her body. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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TotalAlisa said: Isel said: Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. very true.. and i think janet is special.. but i think she can do better then what she is doing right now.... actually.. i don't expect a rhythm nation or escapade type of dance... but i expect better... even if you don't have those dances.. atleast have your style and hair looking awesome... and not wearing some cheap color wig.. that looks shiny and fake I think aging difficult for someone-- male or female--so beautiful, ya know??? It's like she wants to "look hip," but then again there is this fine line. I actually think aging gracefully is better.. but the general public is so unmerciful. These "beauties" can't even win for losing. | |
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TotalAlisa said: Isel said: Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. very true.. and i think janet is special.. but i think she can do better then what she is doing right now.... actually.. i don't expect a rhythm nation or escapade type of dance... but i expect better... even if you don't have those dances.. atleast have your style and hair looking awesome... and not wearing some cheap color wig.. that looks shiny and fake 
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Isel said: ehuffnsd said: i believe my beloved Marco DeSilva is late 20s early 30s. and he's still touring with Kylie any footage of Tyce? and Twila still does alot of work as does Toni Basil. i know it's not impossible just the wear and tear of a dancer can be brutal. [Edited 3/2/08 17:44pm] Actually, I saw him on a Co. Dance reel one of my friends sent to me. I don't know if it's on the "general" internet or not. The thing I LOVE about Tyce is he has so much joy when he dances.. Technically the guy is... well... still on-point, but it's more than that. It's this exuberance he has.. I was just blown away. speaking of Marco according to his blog Kylie is using Michael Rooney again Kylie Bjork Fat Boy Slim, Paula Abdul, Usher, and Michael Jackson are others he had done work for. YAY!! www.michaelrooneytv.com and the Talauega Brothers RICH AND TONE www.talauega.com who have worked with Madonna JLO Mariah and Ricky Martin http://www.michaelrooneyt...ylie_reel/ http://www.michaelrooneytv.com/reel/ [Edited 3/2/08 18:04pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. my ex who is a theatre costume designer and former professional dancer says that you know you have made it when you can stand and everyone dances around you and move your arms every so often. Cher, Celine, Kylie, Madonna more and more as time moves on pull it off well. I'm sure she can continue but I wonder how much stress the weight issues have put on her body. Oops!!!!! I DO agree with your friend! LOL I just missread your post! [Edited 3/2/08 18:11pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: Miss TotalAlisa.. I agree with you IN A WAY. I think Janet needs to tranisiton into a different type of performer... or maybe just transition into acting. I dunno.. I think life can be "tough" on aging pop stars. my ex who is a theatre costume designer and former professional dancer says that you know you have made it when you can stand and everyone dances around you and move your arms every so often. Cher, Celine, Kylie, Madonna more and more as time moves on pull it off well. I'm sure she can continue but I wonder how much stress the weight issues have put on her body.  [Edited 3/2/08 18:14pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: See, I would disagree with your friend because I'm not a huge fan of any of these ladies as dancers. To me, Janet is the best "natural" dancer of the bunch. When I saw Madonna execute chaine turns in her Confession Video... I was SHOCKED at how BAD they were. I always thought she had this "classical" background, but her technique in those turns sucked.
Don't get me wrong.. Madonna is still GREAT--a genius at what she does.. but she ain't no.... Ann Reinking! LOL [Edited 3/2/08 17:59pm] Maybe it's time for Janet to start using other styles of dancer that aren't as hard on the body? I edited my post! LOL I really don't know what Janet should do.. I think for aging pop stars it might be more about the music at one point?? What do you think? To me, Cher looks scary.. and it's sad in a way.. I wouldn't want Janet to be afraid of aging, altering herself so much she looks like a waxed figure. [Edited 3/2/08 18:13pm] | |
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purplecam said: InsatiableCream said: she's becoming her older brother and that's NOT a good look at all. | |
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Isel said: apprently what you said isn't showing on my computer. There is a path with Cher and Tina and the Stones. Your tour. put out and album but focus on the tour. [Edited 3/2/08 18:13pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Isel said: apprently what you said isn't showing on my computer. There is a path with Cher and Tina and the Stones. Your tour. put out and album but focus on the tour. [Edited 3/2/08 18:13pm] Maybe it will show-up now?? I dunno... Sometime I think retirement isn't so bad--at one point... Or at least being who a person is...just looking 60 if a person is 60 without trying to be what a person was at 20?? I can't explain it.. | |
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Isel said: ehuffnsd said: apprently what you said isn't showing on my computer. There is a path with Cher and Tina and the Stones. Your tour. put out and album but focus on the tour. [Edited 3/2/08 18:13pm] Maybe it will show-up now?? I dunno... Sometime I think retirement isn't so bad--at one point... Or at least being who a person is...just looking 60 if a person is 60 without trying to be what a person was at 20?? I can't explain it.. well i guess it depends on how many albums are on the contract. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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