Beyonce-I'm Coming Out


Amerie-I'm Coming Out

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To AMERIE is better all the way around, for a few reasons. True Beyonce is this larger than life stage performer, i give her that, and Amerie does not have the "voice" or THAT possessed thing that Beyonce has going on. BUT Amerie is a very unique style all her own, she is Sexy without trying to be, in a classic 70's way, while other ladies in RB Beyonce included, try to copy someones sex appeal, be it Diana or Tina, AMERIE has got her own thing, and she proved it all on her last record "Because I Love it" which is a fitting title, because it was just what MAINSTREAM didnt want, it was what SHE wanted, and thats why it was on another level.

MsLegs said:

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yes its not a fair comparison

BUT Beyonce is an excellent performer and her live vocals are usually studio quality so its fair enough

I give it to Amerie ..... Beyonce's voice was too big for this song. she sounds uncomfortable


thats NOT true

I could not imagine anyone else singing 1 thing or another amerie song . Not Ciara , Rihanna , Ashanti , Kelly or Mya

BECAUSE Amerie chooses songs that are usually more suited for singers whose voices are strong and heavy enough to not be gobbled up whensinging above a live band of drums and horns . eg Beyonce & Christina , even tho her voice itself is not that strong she PUSHES it a lot to very top of her range hence her picthiness and raspier vocal performances ..... thats what makes Amerie voice distinctive .

BlaqueKnight said:

no no she turned 30 this year . her time is running out

Crazywonderful said:

She's 30? Damn she looks good!
She needs a ballad. A good one. You know, when I think about it, Kelly Rowland's "Can't Nobody" sounds like an Amerie song. Everybody just musically raped that poor woman. She should do a MadTV type skit where she kills Destiny's Child. She bumps off Kelly, and then have Michelle say "but I didn't do anything to you, I'm into gospel now" have her say "Well may the Lord have mercy, cause I won't" and take her out. For the final'e, do Beyoncé real cold It would be funny. Sorry. I have a wild imagination. Ignore it.
She still needs a GREAT, not good but GREAT ballad.

BlaqueKnight said:

well she is a college graduate ( a bachelors degree in Fine art and english literature) thats y she wasn't in music back in the 90's like Beyonce cause she was in school

she needs rich harisson again


Because I Love It was great an all but rich is the only who seems to be able to make her hit in the US .....
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OMG, PLEASE tell me Mariah wins

Oh wait, why did I think Mariah was involved Is it fair to compare a video to a live performance?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

when its Beyonce against Amerie ??

this makes it even enough

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm finding it incredibly difficult to click on either video.

that movie is horrible

BlaqueKnight said:

But at the end of the day what is success? A hit record, platnum/gold, its really an empty thing. The thing is RB can be wider than what we are giving it credit for, "Because I love it" was a good example because it clearly exposed that Amerie was the style maker and not Rich Harrison and not Beyonce, Rich moved into the Beyonce camp because thats where the money was plain and simple. Beyonce was a star from the get go because she had everything, the look, vocals but MOST importantly she had the backing, and the enormous push, it was evident from day one that Destinys Child was all hers regardless of other members. But there are other routes to go, we can talk about "falling off" and being "forgotten", but who is forgetting, mainstream? Well Mainstream forgets everyone, you have your day or moment or song, and then you are gone from it, but if you can still sell a record to people, regardless of chart position what is the matter with that?

As for Amerie pushing Sexy stuff? Where do you see that? I see her always being subtle and getting her point across a million times more effectively, similar to rb females of the 70's.

BlaqueKnight said:

The question is can she carry a ballad.

BlaqueKnight said:

Ballads first of all are dead and buried. Unless we are considering something like "We belong Together" by MC a ballad, that to me is Midtempo boredom passed off as a ballad, sure it was a hit, but not a ballad by any means.

Beyonce has the stronger voice and is the better performer, but I liked Amerie's version better. Shame her career hasn't really taken off though. I thought her first album was quite good.

MsLegs said:

she most defintely can (especially that note at 3:14)


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BlaqueKnight said:

Accurate statement.

BlaqueKnight said:

Thread over!

Well, out of these two versions the Amerie one is clearly better. See, here's the core reason why Beyonce sucks. The chick is too damn....LOUD! Having pipes is one thing, but knowing how to use them is another thing. Like Christina Aguilera she has no...TASTE! These singers are all about showing off their lung power, and not about communicating with the listener. The result is that listening to them feels like being hit over the head with a sledgehammer. These singers are really just narcissists. "Hear how powerful my voice is? I can really sing, y'all". That's the only message that comes through in their vocals. It's that trying-too-hard approach that's wiped out Alicia's vocal cords. Hopefully Beyonce's will go the same way soon and she might learn to be more subtle and nuanced in future.

midnightmover said:

You lost me at "here's the core reason why Beyonce sucks"
That in and of itself is a very biased and untrue statement. Beyoncé has been the same type of vocalist all along and has at least 10 years in the business behind her. She's not new. While everyone has room for improvement, she is at the top of the pop scene. That was her label's goal for her and she is there. She could stand to be more subtle herself; I agree. That said, she's not trying to be the ultimate singer but a combination of singer and performer. When someone is doing a live show, dynamics sometimes fall to the wayside due to performance energy. I also agree that Amerie's version, though a different medium, is better and would theorize that if Bey did it in video form, Amerie's would still probably be better because the song is more suited to Amerie's voice.

BlaqueKnight said:

Who cares if she's at the top of the pop scene? So is Rihanna. She sucks too. Who cares if she's been around a while? So has Madonna. She sucks too. Nor is her being an energetic performer relevant either. Ever heard of Tina Turner? Incredible performer and singer. You could hear an audio of Tina singing live and it would sound flawless, even when she was in her 50s. Same goes for Cyndi Lauper today.

What's relevant is that today's generation is filled with divas who are all flash and no soul. Girls who think that singing emotionally is just singing loudly. There are no nuances in their vocals. If you want to know what I'm talking about just listen to Aretha singing "I Say A Little Prayer". Hear how she can be wistful and girlish one moment then soaring and powerful the next. The way she unleashes her power when it's necessary. She saves it, she doesn't just sing full throttle from start to finish. I think they call it tension and release. Well, that's something that's been completely lost in today's generation of female R&B singers. Your girl Beyonce is as good an example of that as anyone.

midnightmover said:

There is alot of blame for this, like anything else, certain things are overdone. Whether its "Oversinging" or "rock ballads" or "Bling videos". I remember way back in the mid 80's when star search was on, im sure you all remember Sam Harris and how he won, doing that infamous "HIGH NOTE" on Over the rainbow, and for the next year or so, every motherfucker on the planet ended every song with that attempt! That is what is going on now, and has been for quite awhile, and alot of it comes from cashing in and alot of comes from these "so called" vocal coaches, who all teach the same thing, they mainly teach to reach for the heavens than rather reaching for the soul. This is why most females and males would be best suited NOT taking vocal lessons at all. I often view Vocals as coming from within and that shit cant be taught, just like they cant TEACH YOU acting, that shit is something that comes through you from experience, look at all the best actors/actresses, though they took classes, none of them took LESSONS.