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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: What she knew in 2002 is different from what she knows in 2008. u learn a lot in the business as you go along. Its not really fair to hold her to a mindset in retrospect. Why so people do that so much these days?
Her terminology may be overly pc but she was nominated and she didn't show because of her resentment for a corrupted system of awards based on business politics and MONEY. Awards are bought and sold. That doesn't mean that she doesn't appreciate the votes she got from peers who are basically caught in the same system she is. The Grammys are bullshit and they have been for years. Unless you are part of the pop crowd, the only real reason for stars to go is to pick up connections with other stars and business people and to perform. [Edited 2/19/08 10:15am]  | |
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She was nominated against Alicia again? Ok, lets listen to the songs.
Beautiful Flower http://www.youtube.com/wa...ROi7kMyhUU No One http://www.youtube.com/wa...tUSIJEiOug Both songs are good imo. They both have nice messages, although India's is written a little better and her vocals are better, but Alicia's vocals are more "attention grabbing" as well as the song. "No One" also transcends gender, race, location and everyone can relate because it's written in a universal way. So who would you all give the grammy to? Is India's music good enough to edge out Alicia's music AND success? Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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sosgemini said: SoulAlive said:  you just said exactly what I was thinking!
I saw India on 'Oprah' last year and she said something that I thought was interesting.When she recorded the song "I Am Not My Hair",her record label made her record the song with a rapper....a rapper that she didn't even want to work with.She didn't say his name,but I later found out that it was Akon  but did she release the song with the rapper? no Actually, she did as the first single of her last album... and it was the first (and only) time I've been able to tolerate Akon. TANKAEFC, I thought it was a fun song and video (with a message, of course). "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: sosgemini said: but did she release the song with the rapper? no Actually, she did as the first single of her last album... and it was the first (and only) time I've been able to tolerate Akon. TANKAEFC, I thought it was a fun song and video (with a message, of course). Yeah,the version with Akon was released,unfortunately.India was pissed.She pressured her label to remove that version from subsequent pressings of her album. It's a shame the way these record labels force their artists to "dumb down" their music and work with silly rappers that they don't even like! And for what....just to sell a few more records?! | |
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sorry....she doesn't have enough cred to be boycotting shit. that's vivica fox saying she gonna boycott he oscars or the SAG's---you might get somebody from tv1 to listen to you, but ain't nobody gonna give a fuck. let her get nominated next year, see if her anti-establishment ass show up. if you wanna make a point, go to the awards and talk about your stance on the red carpet, get some air time. or put it in your acceptance speech or ask to be a presenter, do something like kim basinger did when spike lee didn't get nominated for do the right thing at the oscars. staying home and watching the shit on tv don't make you a rebel, it makes you a spectator. 
shit be like kanye---you might hate him, but it takes balls of moxy to say the president don't like black people on a fucking telethon---aaahhh..live tv  [Edited 2/20/08 7:28am] | |
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Why do you have to have "cred" to boycott a system that you feel is corrupt and deliberately misrepresents people and plays political games with artists careers?
She's not the first one to show resentment towards that organization and with good reason. The way people choose to handle things differ according to their personalities. Example: If you hit me, I'd knock you out. If you hit someone else, they might just stand there asking "Why'd you hit me?" Someone else might fall to the floor and curl up in a ball. She chose to do it the way she did because of her personality. Probably less effective but its also less hypocritical because she can say that she wasn't even there, so she showed no support at all by staying away from there. Maybe she was scared to go there and say it herself, so she chose another route? Direct confrontation doesn't suit everyone's personality. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Why do you have to have "cred" to boycott a system that you feel is corrupt and deliberately misrepresents people and plays political games with artists careers?
She's not the first one to show resentment towards that organization and with good reason. The way people choose to handle things differ according to their personalities. Example: If you hit me, I'd knock you out. If you hit someone else, they might just stand there asking "Why'd you hit me?" Someone else might fall to the floor and curl up in a ball. She chose to do it the way she did because of her personality. Probably less effective but its also less hypocritical because she can say that she wasn't even there, so she showed no support at all by staying away from there. Maybe she was scared to go there and say it herself, so she chose another route? Direct confrontation doesn't suit everyone's personality. sorry, you don't boycott something and then announce it afterwards IMHO. Sinead O'Conner is a perfect example of how to do this sh*t right. Space for sale... | |
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Maybe it's me, but india.arie always came off as someone who has too many complexes and issues that are the result of her internal drama. I mean, how many songs can you make about hair texture and skin tone? [Edited 2/20/08 9:09am] | |
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Fury said: shit be like kanye---you might hate him, but it takes balls of moxy to say the president don't like black people on a fucking telethon---aaahhh..live tv
[Edited 2/20/08 7:28am] I thought he sounded like an insecure crybaby "WAAH! The President don't like black people! WAAH!"  test | |
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sosgemini said: BlaqueKnight said: Why do you have to have "cred" to boycott a system that you feel is corrupt and deliberately misrepresents people and plays political games with artists careers?
She's not the first one to show resentment towards that organization and with good reason. The way people choose to handle things differ according to their personalities. Example: If you hit me, I'd knock you out. If you hit someone else, they might just stand there asking "Why'd you hit me?" Someone else might fall to the floor and curl up in a ball. She chose to do it the way she did because of her personality. Probably less effective but its also less hypocritical because she can say that she wasn't even there, so she showed no support at all by staying away from there. Maybe she was scared to go there and say it herself, so she chose another route? Direct confrontation doesn't suit everyone's personality. sorry, you don't boycott something and then announce it afterwards IMHO. Sinead O'Conner is a perfect example of how to do this sh*t right. Well you do all your lobbying before the event so people know you're boycotting. Then you get all this press exposure and you can tell them why. However to come out after the fact and let people know you were boycotting comes off as sour grapes. [Edited 2/20/08 9:24am] test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Well you do all your lobbying before the event so people know you're boycotting. Then you get all this press exposure and you can tell them why. However to come out after the fact and let people know you were boycotting comes off as sour grapes. [Edited 2/20/08 9:24am] Valid Point. | |
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PFunkjazz said: sosgemini said: sorry, you don't boycott something and then announce it afterwards IMHO. Sinead O'Conner is a perfect example of how to do this sh*t right. Well you do all your lobbying before the event so people know you're boycotting. Then you get all this press exposure and you can tell them why. However to come out after the fact and let people know you were boycotting comes off as sour grapes. [Edited 2/20/08 9:24am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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BlaqueKnight said: magnificentsynthesizer said: this has to be the most vague and crytpic boycott i've ever heard of.
How can you be honored to be nominated at an event you don't won't to be part of? Its as clear as day to me. You can be honored that your peers thought enough of your work to consider you for an award even though you know that the system upon which the awards are given these days is deeply corrupted and rooted in music business politics. When you write a folk song and get nominated for an R&B award, the problem is obviously deeper than all that is being said. The Grammys have been fucked up for years but that's not a complete reflection on the voters alone. The placement of the artists, the categories they are chosen for, the politics of the behind the scenes workings are far bigger than most people understand. Her frustration is very valid for all of the reasons that Threadbare spoke of and a couple of more. i bet you're good at brainteasers, puzzles and crosswords too.
Maybe, i wasn't trying hard enough to read in between the lines, but if you've got something to say and you feel it's important enough to start a boycott about it And you want enlighten people by doing this, why be so vague about it? sounds like she didn't want share her true feelings because she still wanted to be considered a nominee for The Grammys.  [Edited 2/20/08 11:48am] | |
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magnificentsynthesizer said: because she still wanted to be considered a nominee for The Grammys.
[Edited 2/20/08 11:48am] And because she's full of crap and wants to appeal to a certain demo that will eat stunts like this up. neosoul marketing and neosoul arrogant pricks LOVE em. [Edited 2/20/08 12:09pm] | |
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dragondayz said: She was nominated against Alicia again? Ok, lets listen to the songs.
Beautiful Flower http://www.youtube.com/wa...ROi7kMyhUU No One http://www.youtube.com/wa...tUSIJEiOug Both songs are good imo. They both have nice messages, although India's is written a little better and her vocals are better, but Alicia's vocals are more "attention grabbing" as well as the song. "No One" also transcends gender, race, location and everyone can relate because it's written in a universal way. So who would you all give the grammy to? Is India's music good enough to edge out Alicia's music AND success? That's the first time I've heard India's song and it demonstrates everything that's wrong with her music. Clumsy self-help jargon sung over sleep inducing guitar chords. I can't stand Alicia, but I'd take her song over that one any day of the week. [Edited 2/20/08 13:49pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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magnificentsynthesizer said: i bet you're good at brainteasers, puzzles and crosswords too.
Maybe, i wasn't trying hard enough to read in between the lines, but if you've got something to say and you feel it's important enough to start a boycott about it And you want enlighten people by doing this, why be so vague about it? sounds like she didn't want share her true feelings because she still wanted to be considered a nominee for The Grammys.
[Edited 2/20/08 11:48am] The industry is not that big. You deal with a lot of the same people over and over. She said enough to let it be known as to what bothered her. I understand her frustration. Protests don't always have to involve picket signs, harsh words and violence. She protested in her own way. She let people know afterwards that she was not happy with how the Grammy organization has treated her. hopefully, she'll move on. The Grammys are just an industry beauty contest anyway. At least with awards like the Billboard Awards, you can understand because they are based on something you can see, even if it is bought and paid for as well. | |
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Its hilarious that people think that winning a Grammy means something anyway..LOL! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: magnificentsynthesizer said: i bet you're good at brainteasers, puzzles and crosswords too.
Maybe, i wasn't trying hard enough to read in between the lines, but if you've got something to say and you feel it's important enough to start a boycott about it And you want enlighten people by doing this, why be so vague about it? sounds like she didn't want share her true feelings because she still wanted to be considered a nominee for The Grammys.
[Edited 2/20/08 11:48am] The industry is not that big. You deal with a lot of the same people over and over. She said enough to let it be known as to what bothered her. I understand her frustration. Protests don't always have to involve picket signs, harsh words and violence. She protested in her own way. She let people know afterwards that she was not happy with how the Grammy organization has treated her. hopefully, she'll move on. The Grammys are just an industry beauty contest anyway. At least with awards like the Billboard Awards, you can understand because they are based on something you can see, even if it is bought and paid for as well. Well PRINCE did this back in 1988 when he lost for Sign o the times to the Joshua Tree, he took it personal and said he wasnt going anymore,because he was tired of losing to U2, but now as we see, Prince goes almost every year again, and now wins for almost everything he does "Future Baby Mama"? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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illimack said: Dance said: She's Kanye Pest with titties and slightly less mouth.
The chick bitched and moaned because she lost to Mister Alicia and then they gave in and handed her a couple. She should be happy with that. They had no business recognizing her or Mr. Keys, and there are much more deserving artists out there compared to India. There are people who would give a body part to have the opportunities and exposure this so-so chick has. HO SIT DOWN. There is really no reason whatsoever to call this woman a "hoe." .I would dare to say that the person who called India a "ho" is black...how else would you want a Black person to refer to another black person(a female at that)?  with dignity and respect???[Edited 2/20/08 14:36pm] | |
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lastdecember said: Well PRINCE did this back in 1988 when he lost for Sign o the times to the Joshua Tree, he took it personal and said he wasnt going anymore,because he was tired of losing to U2, but now as we see, Prince goes almost every year again, and now wins for almost everything he does "Future Baby Mama"? How many people are still around 20 years later? | |
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On a side note, why in the world does the Grammys have sooooo many categories when most of today's music is so interchangable?
 I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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WOW, I guess she just can't win no matter what she does/how she does it. Sad...
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IndiaArieFan said: I would dare to say that the person who called India a "ho" is black...how else would you want a Black person to refer to another black person(a female at that)?
with dignity and respect???You're right I should have more respect for this ingrate. How dare I compliment and "disrespect" this woman who's complaining about something silly despite her HUGE blessings.  | |
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If no one complains, nothing changes.
The Grammys need some serious changes. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: If no one complains, nothing changes.
The Grammys need some serious changes. 
So she's some kind of activist now?
Thank GOODNESS India's doing something to end all the Grammy-related suffering | |
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CalhounSq said: WOW, I guess she just can't win no matter what she does/how she does it. Sad...
I thought that was obvious. Somebody will always find something wrong...  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Dance said: BlaqueKnight said: If no one complains, nothing changes.
The Grammys need some serious changes.
So she's some kind of activist now?
Thank GOODNESS India's doing something to end all the Grammy-related sufferingYou act like she's the first one to say something about the Grammys before. What are you, kin to Michael Greene or something? | |
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Another thing to consider about India is the people with whom she connects...
The other celebrities with whom she connects... Oprah... Cicely Tyson... Stevie Wonder... I believe she is a very self-aware artist, aware of her placement within an industry, with a culture, that doesn't appreciate her brand of flower or artistry. Some might laugh at her as an activist, but activism is a big part of her foundation. To dismiss her as an ethnicity-obsessed singer is to risk dismissing the prejudices that she rails against. Is there a way for her to separate her interest from her dissatisfaction? Nope. She stands to benefit from any improvement in the matter, be it through awards, critical acclaim or continued opportunities within a fickle industry. But the industry is especially closed to people -- especially women -- of color. It was only last year that people were discussing the extreme, surrealistic difficulties being had by the "Akeelah and the Bee" star. I think India sees her struggle being for artists such as that young girl, as well as for herself. | |
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 I guess she is still bitter about being nominated for 10 & was shut out one year. | |
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