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Reply #30 posted 02/18/08 10:48am

PFunkjazz

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Makes you miss the days when artists would internalize their insecuities and just end it all with a drug overdose. eek
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Reply #31 posted 02/18/08 11:00am

Cinnie

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Dance said:

She's Kanye Pest with titties and slightly less mouth.

The chick bitched and moaned because she lost to Mister Alicia and then they gave in and handed her a couple. She should be happy with that. They had no business recognizing her or Mr. Keys, and there are much more deserving artists out there compared to India. There are people who would give a body part to have the opportunities and exposure this so-so chick has.

HO SIT DOWN.


disbelief There is really no reason whatsoever to call this woman a "hoe." There is nothing whorish about her persona or the way she carries herself.


I agree. disbelief @ Dance
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Reply #32 posted 02/18/08 11:40am

Dance

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Ho said:



disbelief There is really no reason whatsoever to call this woman a "hoe." There is nothing whorish about her persona or the way she carries herself.


I agree. disbelief @ Dance


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Reply #33 posted 02/18/08 11:45am

Cinnie

evillol

Dance, I'm gonna cram a Grammy up your asshole.
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Reply #34 posted 02/18/08 11:49am

TheMightyCeles
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evillol

Dance, I'm gonna cram a Grammy up your asshole.

No,
use a Golden Globe.
Those things look like they would do more damage.
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Reply #35 posted 02/18/08 11:49am

Cinnie

Maybe an American Music Award:


And, well, I don't need to tell you what Usher was describing. biggrin
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Reply #36 posted 02/18/08 12:18pm

badujunkie

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i remember very clearly one year where she was nominated for like SEVEN grammys and lost every single one (at least the televised ones she was up for) and U2 won for an old ass album for the 390349094th time
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Reply #37 posted 02/18/08 12:19pm

twistedeargasm

As Smart As she is perceived, she should know not to burn a bridge. When I saw her on the Image Awards saying that.. I was like.. Not Smart.. If you don't agree with something ( that is part of your industry) you don't air it out publicly. I mean what do you have to gain by complaing to others that can't affect your concerns. ?? I like India Better than Alicia.. Just thought her comments were in poor taste.. If you don't have anything good to say.. don't say anything. Just thought she was bigger than that..
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Reply #38 posted 02/18/08 12:22pm

Dance

Cinnie said:

Maybe an American Music Award:


And, well, I don't need to tell you what Usher was describing. biggrin


He was describing the first time he was introduced to P. Shitty and how he got involved with that camp.
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Reply #39 posted 02/18/08 12:44pm

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I ain't mad at 'cha, India.
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Reply #40 posted 02/18/08 12:55pm

Cinnie

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As Smart As she is perceived, she should know not to burn a bridge. When I saw her on the Image Awards saying that.. I was like.. Not Smart.. If you don't agree with something ( that is part of your industry) you don't air it out publicly. I mean what do you have to gain by complaing to others that can't affect your concerns. ?? I like India Better than Alicia.. Just thought her comments were in poor taste.. If you don't have anything good to say.. don't say anything. Just thought she was bigger than that..


That's sorta how I feel. At least when Kanye complained about MTV publicly it was LOUD and everyone KNEW WHY and perhaps something would change.

Here it's like... murmur murmur, trying to stay on the fence, but really it's not doing her any good.
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Reply #41 posted 02/18/08 1:59pm

Harlepolis

twistedeargasm said:

As Smart As she is perceived, she should know not to burn a bridge. When I saw her on the Image Awards saying that.. I was like.. Not Smart.. If you don't agree with something ( that is part of your industry) you don't air it out publicly. I mean what do you have to gain by complaing to others that can't affect your concerns. ?? I like India Better than Alicia.. Just thought her comments were in poor taste.. If you don't have anything good to say.. don't say anything. Just thought she was bigger than that..


It is what it is.

Everything in this industry is so calculating,,,,,I think its understood when somebody like her addresses an issue as opposed to be coy about it and make a shrewd statement.

And I think the bridge has been burnt the night she saw every one of the 7 awards slip right in front of her eyes. It would be good if she got over that, but seeing how she feels about them now,,,,I don't think she will anytime soon, and quite understandably so.
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Reply #42 posted 02/18/08 3:09pm

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magnificentsynthesizer said:

this has to be the most vague and crytpic boycott i've ever heard of. lol

How can you be honored to be nominated at an event you don't won't to be part of?



Its as clear as day to me. You can be honored that your peers thought enough of your work to consider you for an award even though you know that the system upon which the awards are given these days is deeply corrupted and rooted in music business politics. When you write a folk song and get nominated for an R&B award, the problem is obviously deeper than all that is being said. The Grammys have been fucked up for years but that's not a complete reflection on the voters alone. The placement of the artists, the categories they are chosen for, the politics of the behind the scenes workings are far bigger than most people understand. Her frustration is very valid for all of the reasons that Threadbare spoke of and a couple of more.
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Reply #43 posted 02/18/08 3:16pm

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Its as clear as day to me. You can be honored that your peers thought enough of your work to consider you for an award even though you know that the system upon which the awards are given these days is deeply corrupted and rooted in music business politics. When you write a folk song and get nominated for an R&B award, the problem is obviously deeper than all that is being said. The Grammys have been fucked up for years but that's not a complete reflection on the voters alone. The placement of the artists, the categories they are chosen for, the politics of the behind the scenes workings are far bigger than most people understand.

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Reply #44 posted 02/18/08 3:20pm

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Dance said:

She's Kanye Pest with titties and slightly less mouth.

The chick bitched and moaned because she lost to Mister Alicia and then they gave in and handed her a couple. She should be happy with that. They had no business recognizing her or Mr. Keys, and there are much more deserving artists out there compared to India. There are people who would give a body part to have the opportunities and exposure this so-so chick has.

HO SIT DOWN.
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Reply #45 posted 02/18/08 3:23pm

Timmy84

I get her point for real but if I was her, I might as well not say that I was honored to be nominated if she knew she was gonna lose it anyway. It's all politics though so I ain't mad at cha, India.
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Reply #46 posted 02/18/08 4:57pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

magnificentsynthesizer said:

this has to be the most vague and crytpic boycott i've ever heard of. lol

How can you be honored to be nominated at an event you don't won't to be part of?



Its as clear as day to me. You can be honored that your peers thought enough of your work to consider you for an award even though you know that the system upon which the awards are given these days is deeply corrupted and rooted in music business politics. When you write a folk song and get nominated for an R&B award, the problem is obviously deeper than all that is being said. The Grammys have been fucked up for years but that's not a complete reflection on the voters alone. The placement of the artists, the categories they are chosen for, the politics of the behind the scenes workings are far bigger than most people understand. Her frustration is very valid for all of the reasons that Threadbare spoke of and a couple of more.


Definitely. It's a shame. disbelief
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Reply #47 posted 02/18/08 5:23pm

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ThreadBare said:

India.Arie remains an anomaly the industry doesn't know how to handle. She's smart, can sing, write good lyrics, loves her ethnicity and has decent production. Most of her music maintains a positive bent.

But she is ignored, compared with other artists with far lesser talent, focus and depth. Because she doesn't fit their packaging.

If, by that third, wonderful album of hers, she had found ways to relax and dye her hair blonde, change up her fashion to tighter and shorter clothes and fill her project with "bangers" about lovin' her boo and clubbing, she'd be in a different rung in the industry.

Not to mention if she lived self-destructively and embarrassingly.
So, she boycotts an industry that pays her lip-service. Probably the healthiest thing for her to do.


Exactly.
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Reply #48 posted 02/18/08 6:17pm

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Dance said:

She's Kanye Pest with titties and slightly less mouth.

The chick bitched and moaned because she lost to Mister Alicia and then they gave in and handed her a couple. She should be happy with that. They had no business recognizing her or Mr. Keys, and there are much more deserving artists out there compared to India. There are people who would give a body part to have the opportunities and exposure this so-so chick has.

HO SIT DOWN.

falloff falloff funny but true.
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Reply #49 posted 02/18/08 6:30pm

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ThreadBare said:

India.Arie remains an anomaly the industry doesn't know how to handle. She's smart, can sing, write good lyrics, loves her ethnicity and has decent production. Most of her music maintains a positive bent.

But she is ignored, compared with other artists with far lesser talent, focus and depth. Because she doesn't fit their packaging.

If, by that third, wonderful album of hers, she had found ways to relax and dye her hair blonde, change up her fashion to tighter and shorter clothes and fill her project with "bangers" about lovin' her boo and clubbing, she'd be in a different rung in the industry.

Not to mention if she lived self-destructively and embarrassingly. So, she boycotts an industry that pays her lip-service. Probably the healthiest thing for her to do.

very interesting how you have explained this.
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Reply #50 posted 02/18/08 7:03pm

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I get where indie arie is coming from. She probably could have handled a
little different such as write a song about it such as she did with
little things. For example, alicia keys won for that garbage ass song no one
and didn't deserve it but because she was such a big part of the show she
was going to get an award anyway. Indie knew she was getting that token
nomination but wasn't going to win. Indie just doesn't go in the studio and
create microwavable grits. She puts a lot of creativity in her songwriting and
music and not to get the props she deserve, it just can be frustrating particularly for someone like her who hasn't been in the business that long.
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Reply #51 posted 02/18/08 7:21pm

RipHer2Shreds

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Makes you miss the days when artists would internalize their insecuities and just end it all with a drug overdose. eek

falloff
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Reply #52 posted 02/18/08 8:30pm

ejnbmore

ThreadBare said:

India.Arie remains an anomaly the industry doesn't know how to handle. She's smart, can sing, write good lyrics, loves her ethnicity and has decent production. Most of her music maintains a positive bent.

But she is ignored, compared with other artists with far lesser talent, focus and depth. Because she doesn't fit their packaging.

If, by that third, wonderful album of hers, she had found ways to relax and dye her hair blonde, change up her fashion to tighter and shorter clothes and fill her project with "bangers" about lovin' her boo and clubbing, she'd be in a different rung in the industry.

Not to mention if she lived self-destructively and embarrassingly. So, she boycotts an industry that pays her lip-service. Probably the healthiest thing for her to do.



Co-sign...I would rather see India than Alicia anyday!!!! I love her music and what she stands for not to mention her music is always spot on unlike Ms. A Keys, Bey, Mrs.MJ, and Ms Jackson (if you're nasty)
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Reply #53 posted 02/18/08 10:23pm

DawnD

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I like India Arie and I can understand her frustration.

So can I.
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Reply #54 posted 02/19/08 12:57am

TANKAEFC

I have to say that, while I appreciate her desire to uplift and be positive, I also understand that music is also supposed to be just fun sometimes. I think good music will make you think, but good music can also make you dance. You know, shake your booty and be careless. That was the problem with much of the music that came out in the 90s - it was evocative and provocative, but it got waaaay too serious for its own good.
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Reply #55 posted 02/19/08 6:11am

SoulAlive

ThreadBare said:

India.Arie remains an anomaly the industry doesn't know how to handle. She's smart, can sing, write good lyrics, loves her ethnicity and has decent production. Most of her music maintains a positive bent.

But she is ignored, compared with other artists with far lesser talent, focus and depth. Because she doesn't fit their packaging.

If, by that third, wonderful album of hers, she had found ways to relax and dye her hair blonde, change up her fashion to tighter and shorter clothes and fill her project with "bangers" about lovin' her boo and clubbing, she'd be in a different rung in the industry.

Not to mention if she lived self-destructively and embarrassingly. So, she boycotts an industry that pays her lip-service. Probably the healthiest thing for her to do.



nod thumbs up! you just said exactly what I was thinking!

I saw India on 'Oprah' last year and she said something that I thought was interesting.When she recorded the song "I Am Not My Hair",her record label made her record the song with a rapper....a rapper that she didn't even want to work with.She didn't say his name,but I later found out that it was Akon disbelief
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Reply #56 posted 02/19/08 6:49am

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SoulAlive said:

ThreadBare said:

India.Arie remains an anomaly the industry doesn't know how to handle. She's smart, can sing, write good lyrics, loves her ethnicity and has decent production. Most of her music maintains a positive bent.

But she is ignored, compared with other artists with far lesser talent, focus and depth. Because she doesn't fit their packaging.

If, by that third, wonderful album of hers, she had found ways to relax and dye her hair blonde, change up her fashion to tighter and shorter clothes and fill her project with "bangers" about lovin' her boo and clubbing, she'd be in a different rung in the industry.

Not to mention if she lived self-destructively and embarrassingly. So, she boycotts an industry that pays her lip-service. Probably the healthiest thing for her to do.



nod thumbs up! you just said exactly what I was thinking!

I saw India on 'Oprah' last year and she said something that I thought was interesting.When she recorded the song "I Am Not My Hair",her record label made her record the song with a rapper....a rapper that she didn't even want to work with.She didn't say his name,but I later found out that it was Akon disbelief


but did she release the song with the rapper? no...she seems to get off on complaining...we always have had artist (and always will) who go against the grain. Tracy Chapman doesn't b*tch as much as India....it's now become her shtick which is just as lame as salable as and annoying as the video "hos" of the world.
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Reply #57 posted 02/19/08 7:30am

chewwsey

I thought she should have won something for heart of the matter.

the industry should change it's image on things. but at the same time some of these artists contribute funds I am thinking and get a returne on that. I mean why would jay z's whole camp be at the grammy's. Since when, and, his camp won big. ( even if it is at the one that was under the strike situation) the grammy's were lame anyway. She didn't miss anything but a few good perfomances.
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Reply #58 posted 02/19/08 8:34am

coltrane3

It's bullshit. She had no problem accepting Grammys in 2002. Like she didn't know that the Grammys aren't as "pure" and non-political as one would like to think.

Quietly boycotted? The point of a boycott is to make it known and to bring attention to some issue. You can call not showing up "quietly boycotting" but in reality, it's just not showing up.
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Reply #59 posted 02/19/08 10:14am

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What she knew in 2002 is different from what she knows in 2008. u learn a lot in the business as you go along. Its not really fair to hold her to a mindset in retrospect. Why so people do that so much these days?
Her terminology may be overly pc but she was nominated and she didn't show because of her resentment for a corrupted system of awards based on business politics and MONEY. Awards are bought and sold. That doesn't mean that she doesn't appreciate the votes she got from peers who are basically caught in the same system she is. The Grammys are bullshit and they have been for years. Unless you are part of the pop crowd, the only real reason for stars to go is to pick up connections with other stars and business people and to perform.

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