aalloca said:

prettymansson said:

EXACTLY

Cinnie said:

We all need to put our hands in our pockets and keep buying his records..US & Europe and Rest of the World stand side buy side, we own him dearly, he got rid of the axis of evil all buy his god dam self...yes that's right..50Cent is no more because of Kanye....tell me who else would of got rid of such evil!

BlaqueKnight said:

Actually, even though I've been a hip-hop head for over 20 years, I do too.



I understand that, but you know as well as I do that the "Clear Channel" image is what passes for hip-hop. You have to go to Dilla and Doom, to Madlib and Guilty Simpson, to Black Milk, and yes, to the wise men of the game, PE, De La, Common, and others. Fortunately, true "organic" if you will hip-hop acts are getting more widespread recognition, Common and Mos being prime examples.

But again, the problem is HiT-PoP, which has so overwhelmed the game that true hip-hop is hidden in the margins.



Funny, and true. The worst aspects of East Coast Bling and West/South Coast Gangsta have merged, and it ain't pretty.

BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Absolutely! Those names are hilarious, by the way!

yes he sucks , but so does Usher

Why are these beatmakers in rap called producers? They aren't producers. They make beats. They can't do what guys like Rick Rubin, Quincy Jones and George Martin (to name a few) can do.

WildStyle said:

Why? Semantics.
The term "producer" has such a wide definition that someone with no musical talent at all like Sean Fluffy Combs can call himself a producer. He can't even do what Kanye does. He just hires people. That, however is also part of producing. Combs is more of a "music supervisor" than anything else but since he's doing music and not music for movies, he gets to utilize the buzzword of producer. That's all "producer" is these days - a buzzword. Its just a crafty way for people with more money than talent to confuse the masses and make them believe that they are doing more than they actually are.

WildStyle said:

EXACTLY!!!!

Btw

F*CK KANYE

The industry is falling, and it's taking trash like Kanye with it.

Watch all his "hardcore fans" disappear when he doesn't have the industry push.

sosgemini said:

I totally agree with this. Look, I brought his first 2 CD and Kayne is talented but his music doesn't excite me at all and I haven't listened to those CD's since the time that I brought them and that's why I haven't brought his current one. Plus, his attitude sucks.

prettymansson said:

Damn, Kayne's really trippin isn't he?

Dance said:

Dance said:

The same thing happens to all pop stars eventually.

namepeace said:

Exactly. The phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" comes to mind. People always seem to blame the artists for doing what they do when the blame should in fact go to the very people feeding the public bullshit. Record labels who hire accountants and marketing experts for A&R reps. Its the people who know the least about music who are making all of the decisions regarding who stays and who goes at record labels. Its all business. You got a few older cats like Clive Davis who actually care about the music and the artists they push but most of the industry is full of sharks - literally. Attorneys who don't know shit about music but they know how to hire people to make a business run, even if its on pins and needles. The problem is that the MUSIC has been bred out of the music business. Sometimes I wonder if taking music out of the schools wasn't the record industry's doing in order to pump people full of this wack shit they sell nowadays and pass off as music. Its hard to know what music is if there's no one to teach you.
It still comes down to the heads in charge and is not the fault of the artists themselves. Swizz Beats would do what he does regardless. So would Kanye, Pharrell and Timbaland. It just so happens that they did enough work to work their way into the industry and when they industry played itself, they HAD to buy from somebody or change the way the game goes. Its cheaper to pay somebody than somebodies.

prettymansson said:

haha the turntable is an instrument far as im concerned.