i still think he's a poser, but i give him props for putting on a damn good show. it had a fluidity to it that beyonce, janet, madonna et al don't have. he surrounded himself with quality musicians (mike scott, j blackwell) some pretty good back up singers and some adequate dancers. he can even play a coupla keys on the piano and hit the basic chords on the guitar. after watching the dvd, i must say...this was one of the best complete concerts i've seen other than prince in quite a while (and i've seen quite a few). not quite up there with sade or maze, but it he held his own. i'd recommend it.

It has got mixed reviews here on the org.

While I do applaud the fact that he does indeed have some good musicians on the show, and his songs are well made and fun..it's his persona that turns me off. He doesnt really dace by himself well as the likes of Beyonce and Usher or Omarion (which also was discussed on the org). It is an average show. I found myself wanting to look away by the time he got to the middle when "What Goes Around" came on however.

i kinda liked that the choreography was secondary to the musicianship. also when he sang his ballads, he at least played an instrument. i was also impressed that the songs didn't sound just like the cd's--they had a definite live feel to them. i wouldn't have paid $100 to go see it, but i'll play it in the car while i'm driving to work.

No shame in admitting you were entertained!

he dances like a sloppy country boy who just discovered michael jackson

alphastreet said:

Really?



Not seeing much sloppiness there. Remember, robotic "popping" moves are what's in today.


Anyway, I thought this DVD was great, i just fast forwarded whenever he spoke

purplesweat said:

And let us not forget to add, that Poppin' didn't begin with Micheal Jackson anyway ....I may not be a fan of Justin's, but he seems to be a good entertainer and fits the niche for young, all around pop star that you need to keep the masses buying music and concert tickets. It's sorta like, he's good business, and delivers to his fans a proper show, and people on both sides (the music business people and the fans) are satisfied. Nothing really wrong with that, I 'spose....

Ottensen said:

Nice to see someone not descending into a fit of rage whenever the words "Justin" and or "Timberlake" are mentioned.

Why would you hate to admit it?

The concert dvd of that show is excellently produced; great surround; great lighting

Prince could learn something from that

JT is a good artist and futuresex/lovesounds is a very fine album indeed.

fcukthepolice said:

thats when you lose me

Rhondab said:

[snip-sos]

Yes he is

fcukthepolice said:

No he's not..

let's keep doing this since you're the grown here

He's good at imitation. He's a better and more improved Pat Boone.

Rhondab said:

JT is not a good artist. He is a product.
Ten years from now, he will be a footnote.

As for his show, it seemed very average to me. I know some people have been "converted" to liking him after seeing him live, but by and large, beyond the people who think he is sexy, he still has a limited audience.

I remember when the show first aired, some girl at my work was so excited she tivo-ed the show, and couldn't wait to see it. I thought that was fitting. She was probably a fan from his Nsync days and that was her thing.

To put it another way, I don't hear about too many men getting really excited about watching his DVD, buying his music, or especially going to his shows.
His core audience is still women.

That is the difference between him and someone like Prince and/or Michael Jackson. These guys appeal to the masses. Sure they both have their share of people who think they are attractive (really?) but by and large, it is people that just respect the music and talent. (Not what some producer cooked up.)

There is no shame in being a product. Some of the biggest selling artists of today and yesterday are products. (The people on my avatar are even a product.)
However, when people try to argue that the product of the moment is an artist, that is when people get sick.

Justin peeked with FSLS, critically, so all the people that argue, "He is at the Grammys." That isn't because his music is an artistic statement. It is again because he is a product, and the Grammys want big numbers.

Justin is talented. I'm not saying he isn't. All I'm saying is... An artist, he is not, nor will he ever be. His audience is way too limited to be considered a true artist. He is a product and his shelf life is on the way out. All the Timbaland and Madonna cameos in the world, won't be able to save him from that.
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Vanilli said:

Vanilli said:

a bit misogynistic don't you think?

there might be a lot of guys who like his stuff but don't say anything because they don't wanna be labeled gay. but that's for awhole nother thread.
spell change.
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fcukthepolice said:

was the 20min Timbaland selfpromotion intermession included?

People are hard up for great music when they call Justin's music great. Sorry.

Vanilli said:

but you acknowledge you are being misogynistic above?

ehuffnsd said:

Maybe. But by and large, we all know it is women who had crushes on him, back in the TeanBeat days that like his music now-a-days. He is a product. The reason he quit Nsync was because he knew the boyband "product" was on the way out, and that the "solo" product would be a better fit.

What makes him any more of an artist now? I'm sure Nsync had a few real musicians at their shows.

Is that all it takes to be a musician? Have some great backing musicians on tour with you? Well sheet.

Up the bar a bit. Please. Justin isn't all that. He isn't even half that. LOL


Sure Michael Jackson might not play instruments at his shows, but he at least drafts his songs from demo to studio-take. He creates the sounds using his human beatbox abilities. (And Justin's weak ass attempts at that are another story...)
In fact, Michael's beatboxing in some cases probably sounds better than the drums that were programmed for the tracks!

Justin just works with Timbaland, who does all the work, or who steals from someone else, depending on what you believe, but working with a hot producer and hiring FANTASTIC musicians, does not an artist make!

He is a product. A good product. But I'm sick of people trying to say he is an artist. He simply isn't. Give him credit for what he IS and leave it at that.
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Vanilli said:

maybe it was just the way i read it, but it came off as unless you have a (straight) male following of some form somehow you are less than as musical artist.

anyone who is signed to a major label is a product. no he may not be the worldest greatest singer, musican, or dance but he puts them together in a way that suits the masses.

he's accomplished alot for 27, and i'm sure given room and time he may or may not do more. and who cares if he started out in a boy band. if i recall correctly so did Michael Jackson and J5 was more the brainchild of the Motown Machine than it was the brothers Jackson. Do you think they would have been as successful therefore leading to his solo carear had they been on a different label than Motown? Probably not. If I recall correctly NSYNC had more input on their albums, after ditching Lou Pearlman, than the J5 did. They didn't get that kind of freedom until they moved to CBS.

ehuffnsd said:

No I'm not. I'm just saying..he is a product and mainly women are consuming it.
He is the tampon of music. Sure, a few men might buy them, but BY and LARGE, women are the people who are buying his stuff.

Justin isn't an artist. He is a product. A brand.

If I was being "misogynistic" I would have said - He might as well be called Justin...For women.

But I didn't.

ehuffnsd said:

Michel may have started in a boyband, but Michael executive produces all his own stuff. The difference is..Michael is an artist. Listen to his "Billie Jean" from before he worked with Q, it was 90 percent there.

I imagine if we listened to any of Justin's 'demos' if there were any, you'd hear him singing his "input" and that would be it.

What makes his music "danceable" is the producers. He doesn't bring the "good stuff" to the table, if you consider his music good in the first place.

Vanilli said:

who knows who brings what?

I know popping and locking were NOT created by mj, but justin wouldn't know that and probably tried to dance by watching him and sucks at any kind of dancing, mj or not, pop locking or not.

I like this DVD. It's entertaining and well done. I like Justin; I think he's a talented guy, not amazing, but talented. Everybody dislikes him for lots of reasons, but his music is well-produced, well-written pop music. Personally, I don't get why everyone is soo shocked that he's not original....it's 2008; who's original nowadays? Everything interesting as already been done, kinda like fashion, so of course he's imitating someone. What current artist isn't guilty of being an imitation of someone in the past? And to hate the guy because he was in a boyband is equally dumb IMO, because the Beatles and Rolling Stones are both boy bands (as are many others) who just happen to play instruments. Any band that has a larger number of screaming female fans than male fans and no female band members is a boyband IMO. MJ came out of one of the most famous boybands in music history. It just seems like a double standard to hate Justin just because he came out of a boyband. He's a good artist and a smart business man...can't hate the guy for doing what he loves to do and succeeding at it. Just my

ehuffnsd said:

Pretty sure we can all agree MJ brought "Billie Jean" and others to the table before Q entered the picture. Check "Billie Jean Demo" "The Girl Is Mine Demo" and "PYT Demo" for proof. On all of these Michael wrote the lyrics, wrote the music, determined the drum beat, the sounds to use, the style to the sing the track, the tempo, all of it. Just listen to the man's demos. Just comparing Justin's crappy stuff to Michael's stuff is an insult.

As for Justin's "involvement" at most, maybe he plays guitar. OK. How much are the songs on FSLS guitar driven? Zero. It is all built around Timb's signature sound.

So to call Justin an artist is totally false. At most, he is a lucky kid whining on some hot beats. Him coming from a boyband has nothing to do with why he isn't an artist, except to further answer the question of, "Why does he have so many fans?" Well his fans were mainly 12 year old girls who grew up with him to began with and thought he was hot, and are now growing with them. He hasn't expanded his audience. If you go to an MJ concert, you see people of all races, all genders getting down to a legend. If you go to a JT show, despite the fancy TV editing, it is mainly white women in his audience. Not many guys I know would be caught dead at a JT live show, and I bet that is true with the masses. You can't compare someone like MJ to Justin. You just can't.

Then for this little twit to insult Prince on a track is just silly. Justin will NEVER be on Prince's level or MJ's level. Period. He doesn't have it in him.

For one last time, it isn't an insult to be a product like Justin is. But an artist, he isn't. His "art" is all about other people's beats. That isn't art. And that isn't an artist.

Besides that, when someone's best song they ever wrote was as cheesy as "Gone", you've got problems. LOL
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I like some of justin's songs a lot, but see him as a puppet and credit timbaland for all those, cause he himself is nothing special and no different from people you see everyday.

alphastreet said:

That pretty much sums up my feelings for him in a sentence.

Soul-less Crap

oh yeah and Michael Jackson called and wants his moves back from 1984... - EDIT
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Slave2daGroove said:

it was a well produced post-Mtv era concert. the real shame is that he had more legitimate black musicians and singers on that stage at one time than any r&b artist has in a looooong time. funnt how when mike scott and j blackwell play with prince they are great, but they play with timberlake....