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alphastreet said: janet had hits with together again and i get lonely. I remember people liking those songs and even had several friends who owned the maxi singles, but I also remember people all of a sudden not feeling her at all. They were saying she's gay and bi and a freak and too old and all this stuff, and preferred the backstreet boys, spice girls and britney over her. I was 14 at the time of Velvet Rope and was really feeling her and also her back catalogue, but I also remember how hard it was to find a friend that could go to the velvet rope tour with me, cause they wanted to see hanson, p diddy and people like that and I couldn't imagine why. I ended up asking my cousin in her early 20's to go with me and she agreed cause she loved her during the RN and janet.era and had a friend who went to the janet. tour and would have loved to see her again, so we all went and had a blast. They seemed so impressed that I was young and totally into janet, though I was 15 by the time the tour came around. My cousin has a sister my age and she was totally into those boy bands and thought janet jackson was too old, and I really couldn't relate to her though we're 4 months apart. I tend to look at it in a way that if these people were old enough to have been around when janet was at her peak, surely they could give her props even if they aren't fans, but they won't even do that! They just think she's not all that because of her recent work not being exceptional like from control through janet.
I knew many people were into janet during the janet era and still remember that time, but think britney has outdone her or something, it makes me sick. It wouldn't have been so bad if britney didn't copy a lot of things janet did already, but she did copy her a lot especially in the beginning and that's what annoys me cause kids can't see through that. [Edited 2/3/08 17:56pm] [Edited 2/3/08 17:57pm] If it makes you feel better, Janet Jackson is as much of a product as Britney Spears. Blame the people around them for copying each other. 
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I used to say ugh janet copies michael and used to get annoyed for a little while when I was getting annoyed with janet, but got over that, though michael is way more talented. Janet had a motive and knew what she wanted out her music career when she decided to stick with, britney was a puppet who got everything handed to her, especially a formula that worked with janet for years. She didn't even write her songs or anything for quite some time. I know janet didn't either with her first 2 albums, but she made those as a side thing while focusing on acting.
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alphastreet said: I used to say ugh janet copies michael and used to get annoyed for a little while when I was getting annoyed with janet, but got over that, though michael is way more talented. Janet had a motive and knew what she wanted out her music career when she decided to stick with, britney was a puppet who got everything handed to her. She didn't even write her songs or anything for quite some time. I know janet didn't either with her first 2 albums, but she made those as a side thing while focusing on acting.
[Edited 2/3/08 18:53pm] [Edited 2/3/08 18:55pm] I disagree. The little respect I have for both recording artists, I have more for Spears. She supported and continues to support her family. She put her older brother through college. Her parents whored her as a child and teenager. Janet Jackson on the other hand grew up in a rich household because of the success of her brothers. Come on! How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street? And having your husband as your secret writer for two albums? Come on! I love a number of Janet Jackson songs, but I am not deluded enough to think she is talented as some of her fans claim her to be. | |
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Rodya24 said: How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street?
While they didn't crossover like Control and the subsequent albums, her first two albums were far from flops. On the R&B charts, she had 1 top-10 album, 1 top-20 album, 1 top-10 single, and 3 top-20 singles. That's not bad at all. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: Rodya24 said: How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street?
While they didn't crossover like Control and the subsequent albums, her first two albums were far from flops. On the R&B charts, she had 1 top-10 album, 1 top-20 album, 1 top-10 single, and 3 top-20 singles. That's not bad at all. But how many copies did both albums sell? No way could someone like Spears with numbers like that for her first two albums succeed and be given the opportunity to work with producers like Jam and Lewis. She would probably not be given the opportunity to record a third album. Whatever people might say about Spears, she did work hard. I have respect for that. I respect her for succeeding without having any powerful connections. On a final note, I do not want to participate in another thread on Janet Jackson vs. someone thread. I responded because of what alphastreet originally wrote on the first page. [Edited 2/3/08 19:14pm] [Edited 2/3/08 19:17pm] | |
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alphastreet said: janet had hits with together again and i get lonely. I remember people liking those songs and even had several friends who owned the maxi singles, but I also remember people all of a sudden not feeling her at all.
I remember that too. Together Again was big with people in my age group but otherwise Britney was more designed to appeal back then. With all the pretty costumes and cutesy songs. I tend to look at it in a way that if these people were old enough to have been around when janet was at her peak, surely they could give her props even if they aren't fans, but they won't even do that! They just think she's not all that because of her recent work not being exceptional like from control through janet.
I think it's a generation gap too. Janet isn't really all that interesting if you haven't grown up with her. I like a few of her songs but I'd never listen to them that often. Her voice doesn't interest me as much as Britneys. Britney may have a weak voice, but in the studio, it never sounds the same twice. Janet just sounds like she's whispering a lot. That's just my opinion, though. I knew many people were into janet during the janet era and still remember that time, but think britney has outdone her or something, it makes me sick. It wouldn't have been so bad if britney didn't copy a lot of things janet did already, but she did copy her a lot especially in the beginning and that's what annoys me cause kids can't see through that.
I think you'd find a lot of "kids" only know her as the superbowl boob chick. Her latest song is getting a lot of attention from people my age though, so all hope isn't lost!!  | |
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Rodya24 said: alphastreet said: I used to say ugh janet copies michael and used to get annoyed for a little while when I was getting annoyed with janet, but got over that, though michael is way more talented. Janet had a motive and knew what she wanted out her music career when she decided to stick with, britney was a puppet who got everything handed to her. She didn't even write her songs or anything for quite some time. I know janet didn't either with her first 2 albums, but she made those as a side thing while focusing on acting.
[Edited 2/3/08 18:53pm] [Edited 2/3/08 18:55pm] I disagree. The little respect I have for both recording artists, I have more for Spears. She supported and continues to support her family. She put her older brother through college. Her parents whored her as a child and teenager. Janet Jackson on the other hand grew up in a rich household because of the success of her brothers. Come on! How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street? And having your husband as your secret writer for two albums? Come on! I love a number of Janet Jackson songs, but I am not deluded enough to think she is talented as some of her fans claim her to be. Both were pimped by their parents, and Janet's parents, while rich, were also more physically and emotionally abusive (as a Michael fan, I'm sure you can appreciate that fact). Both grew up in affluent households (Britney was not hurting, that's for sure). Both have supported and continue to support their families. But Britney became a drug addict, abandoned her children, and completely abandoned all pretenses of professionalism. The "secret writer" claim is also bullshit because it was Rene who asked not to receive credit, and Janet has given him credit in many interviews before and since The Velvet Rope, which was the first album for which he would accept cowriting credit. Rene was never kept a secret except of his own volition. Janet's first album is gold and her second album has not been certified gold but has sold nearly that amount in the US. Those were more than respectable sales figures for the early 1980's, and more than enough for someone to retain their contract, especially when the albums didn't cost that much in the first place. I have a lot more respect for Janet as a human being, and as an artist, considering her album projects and music videos actually aspire to be art (and often succeed), unlike Britney's. Since when has Britney touched on issues of depression, homosexuality, loss and racism in her work? Never. She never even tried. Comparing Britney and Janet is like comparing Justin and Michael. It's not necessarily about talent, it's about ambition, effort and overall body of work. [Edited 2/3/08 21:31pm] | |
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Now, on to Britney: a very talented performer who makes fun, completely unpretentious pop and doesn't try to be more than she is.
Fav. songs: ...Baby One More Time Sometimes Slave 4 U Boys Outrageous Toxic Breathe On Me Gimme More Piece of Me Heaven on Earth Break The Ice If she gets the help she needs, and gets it together, she will be huge again. [Edited 2/3/08 21:30pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: I have a lot more respect for Janet as a human being, and as an artist, considering her album projects and music videos actually aspire to be art (and often succeed), unlike Britney's. Since when has Britney touched on issues of depression, homosexuality, loss and racism in her work? Never. She never even tried. Comparing Britney and Janet is like comparing Justin and Michael. It's not necessarily about talent, it's about ambition, effort and overall body of work.
Britney sung about loss and weakness in Everytime and Why Should I Be Sad. Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work. | |
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purplesweat said: VoicesCarry said: I have a lot more respect for Janet as a human being, and as an artist, considering her album projects and music videos actually aspire to be art (and often succeed), unlike Britney's. Since when has Britney touched on issues of depression, homosexuality, loss and racism in her work? Never. She never even tried. Comparing Britney and Janet is like comparing Justin and Michael. It's not necessarily about talent, it's about ambition, effort and overall body of work.
Britney sung about loss and weakness in Everytime and Why Should I Be Sad. Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work. 2 songs, only one of which she had a hand in writing. I hardly consider that touching on any deep themes or issues in her work. | |
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VoicesCarry said: purplesweat said: Britney sung about loss and weakness in Everytime and Why Should I Be Sad. Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work. 2 songs, only one of which she had a hand in writing. I hardly consider that touching on any deep themes or issues in her work. You didn't read my second sentence 
"Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work." It's not an excuse or anything, just a recurring theme I noticed. | |
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purplesweat said: VoicesCarry said: 2 songs, only one of which she had a hand in writing. I hardly consider that touching on any deep themes or issues in her work. You didn't read my second sentence
"Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work." It's not an excuse or anything, just a recurring theme I noticed. It's not that she hides it, it's that she's incapable of it. And that's cool, because she's a great dance-pop artist. | |
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VoicesCarry said: purplesweat said: You didn't read my second sentence
"Britney seems to hide a lot of her feelings rather than show it in her work." It's not an excuse or anything, just a recurring theme I noticed. It's not that she hides it, it's that she's incapable of it. And that's cool, because she's a great dance-pop artist. I don't know how you know she's "incapable" of it. Especially if she HAS done it before, just not very often. IMO, she just prefers her career to be "fun" not "art". | |
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purplesweat said: VoicesCarry said: It's not that she hides it, it's that she's incapable of it. And that's cool, because she's a great dance-pop artist. I don't know how you know she's "incapable" of it. Especially if she HAS done it before, just not very often. IMO, she just prefers her career to be "fun" not "art". Well, I've seen her talk throughout her career and it doesn't seem as if she has a thought in her head. She's been making essentially the same album for years now. A lot of it is great music, but I don't believe any of it is actually her. What she does do well is perform. She couldn't even be bothered to have a hand in writing Piece of Me, supposedly an autobiographical track about life with media scrutiny. Fun can be art, if the artist is willing to risk involvement. [Edited 2/3/08 23:21pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: purplesweat said: I don't know how you know she's "incapable" of it. Especially if she HAS done it before, just not very often. IMO, she just prefers her career to be "fun" not "art". Well, I've seen her talk throughout her career and it doesn't seem as if she has a thought in her head. She's been making essentially the same album for years now. A lot of it is great music, but I don't believe any of it is actually her. What she does do well is perform. She couldn't even be bothered to have a hand in writing Piece of Me, supposedly an autobiographical track about life with media scrutiny. Fun can be art, if the artist is willing to risk involvement. I agree with you although being unintelligent doesn't mean she doesn't have any feelings. I agree she should have written more on Blackout but really in her state of mind, I was amazed she even made it out of bed and into a studio long enough to record some vocals 
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I absolutely love breathe on me it's sexual but in a subtle way so erotic, another favourite is Boys(the original song not the horrendous remix).In the zone is her best album IMO, I enjoyed all the tracks and The answer shouldn't have been just a bonus track. [Edited 2/4/08 3:08am] | |
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Rodya24 said: AlexdeParis said: While they didn't crossover like Control and the subsequent albums, her first two albums were far from flops. On the R&B charts, she had 1 top-10 album, 1 top-20 album, 1 top-10 single, and 3 top-20 singles. That's not bad at all. But how many copies did both albums sell? No way could someone like Spears with numbers like that for her first two albums succeed and be given the opportunity to work with producers like Jam and Lewis. She would probably not be given the opportunity to record a third album. Whatever people might say about Spears, she did work hard. I have respect for that. I respect her for succeeding without having any powerful connections. On a final note, I do not want to participate in another thread on Janet Jackson vs. someone thread. I responded because of what alphastreet originally wrote on the first page. [Edited 2/3/08 19:14pm] [Edited 2/3/08 19:17pm] For me personally, I just like Janet's music better than Britney's. But I've been more a fan of more r&b over pop, and Janet's music is more of a mixture of r&b/pop than say Madonna's. Plus, regardless of her creative team, Janet's just had more "classic" hits.. like RN, Control, WHYD4ML, Everytime, Escapade, A4Y, etc, etc., etc.... And it's might be true Janet is not the creative genius, but Janet is smart---and strong. I really admire her determination post-Super bowl controversy. Whether or not we agree with Janet's actions, I just don't think she, herself, felt it was that big of deal--accident or not. And she wasn't going to bend to power of MTV. She apologized for upsetting people, and took responsibility for it being an "accident" if nothing more, but she wasn't going to GROVEL. I really do admire she held her head high.. and has remained "cool" in public at least.. She just bides her time and keeps trying.. I'm hoping "Discipline" will be huge success for her. She deserves it. A huge difference between Janet and Britney is obviously Britney is bi-polar and Janet isn't. Also, Janet's mom at least seems to still have the family's respect, and maybe even her dad still has their respect although there were obviously major problems regarding the way he disciplined and drove his kids to be successful. In addition, I don't believe Janet has ever been that into drugs or hugely into partying--if into drugs at all. Janet graduated from high school--even thought about going to law school at one time. Janet also has been a successful actress. Sure Janet has made her mistakes, but she hasn't allowed the industry to destroy her. So yes... compared to someone like Prince and I'll even say Madonna, maybe Janet isn't as creative or needs a little more input for a focus. But Janet is definitely a survivor and is one tough cookie. She's not an idiot. Britney.. with all due respect to her illness.. I just don't think she has ever been as secure, intelligent, educated. I DON'T think the girl is very smart even though she might be a great performer and even creative. She has really allowed the sycophants to take over her life, including her parents. (Janet left her dad at 18, was it? And Janet has her sycophants, but ultimately SHE decides or believe me, she would have toured for DJ as well as 20YO.) I don't think Britney had much traditional nurturing actually from her parents or I think she would have been diagnosed and treated a long-time ago. I just think they turned a blind eye--kind of like the mom did with Jaime Lynn--or appeared to have done. So to compare Britney to Janet--well I just don't think there's a comparison professionally or personally. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Rodya24 said: I disagree. The little respect I have for both recording artists, I have more for Spears. She supported and continues to support her family. She put her older brother through college. Her parents whored her as a child and teenager. Janet Jackson on the other hand grew up in a rich household because of the success of her brothers. Come on! How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street? And having your husband as your secret writer for two albums? Come on! I love a number of Janet Jackson songs, but I am not deluded enough to think she is talented as some of her fans claim her to be. Both were pimped by their parents, and Janet's parents, while rich, were also more physically and emotionally abusive (as a Michael fan, I'm sure you can appreciate that fact). Both grew up in affluent households (Britney was not hurting, that's for sure). Both have supported and continue to support their families. But Britney became a drug addict, abandoned her children, and completely abandoned all pretenses of professionalism. The "secret writer" claim is also bullshit because it was Rene who asked not to receive credit, and Janet has given him credit in many interviews before and since The Velvet Rope, which was the first album for which he would accept cowriting credit. Rene was never kept a secret except of his own volition. Janet's first album is gold and her second album has not been certified gold but has sold nearly that amount in the US. Those were more than respectable sales figures for the early 1980's, and more than enough for someone to retain their contract, especially when the albums didn't cost that much in the first place. I have a lot more respect for Janet as a human being, and as an artist, considering her album projects and music videos actually aspire to be art (and often succeed), unlike Britney's. Since when has Britney touched on issues of depression, homosexuality, loss and racism in her work? Never. She never even tried. Comparing Britney and Janet is like comparing Justin and Michael. It's not necessarily about talent, it's about ambition, effort and overall body of work. [Edited 2/3/08 21:31pm] Again, I do not want to get into another Janet Jackson vs. someone thread. You have made a number of valid points that I overlooked in my defense of Spears. I became irritated when alphastreet compared the two artists on the first page.  | |
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Rodya24 said: VoicesCarry said: Both were pimped by their parents, and Janet's parents, while rich, were also more physically and emotionally abusive (as a Michael fan, I'm sure you can appreciate that fact). Both grew up in affluent households (Britney was not hurting, that's for sure). Both have supported and continue to support their families. But Britney became a drug addict, abandoned her children, and completely abandoned all pretenses of professionalism. The "secret writer" claim is also bullshit because it was Rene who asked not to receive credit, and Janet has given him credit in many interviews before and since The Velvet Rope, which was the first album for which he would accept cowriting credit. Rene was never kept a secret except of his own volition. Janet's first album is gold and her second album has not been certified gold but has sold nearly that amount in the US. Those were more than respectable sales figures for the early 1980's, and more than enough for someone to retain their contract, especially when the albums didn't cost that much in the first place. I have a lot more respect for Janet as a human being, and as an artist, considering her album projects and music videos actually aspire to be art (and often succeed), unlike Britney's. Since when has Britney touched on issues of depression, homosexuality, loss and racism in her work? Never. She never even tried. Comparing Britney and Janet is like comparing Justin and Michael. It's not necessarily about talent, it's about ambition, effort and overall body of work. [Edited 2/3/08 21:31pm] Again, I do not want to get into another Janet Jackson vs. someone thread. You have made a number of valid points that I overlooked in my defense of Spears. I became irritated when alphastreet compared the two artists on the first page. Oh... I'm sorry.. I was just sayin! lol
I STILL think Britney is talented even though I'm not a huge fan of her music. Like I said, A LOT of people really love Britney. And she has had her successes--with or without help. And I agree with you, at least the girl is a great, great performer. (She might be MORE than that though.) I can't say Britney isn't talented. I won't. In other words, I agree WITH YOU that Britney isn't just some "whore"--anymore than anybody else is in the in entertainment industry. Britney's BIGGEST problem is her illness, really. Look at... Anne Heche and Margot Kidder they made fools out themselves, too, due to MENTAL ILLNESS! The difference is that their problems were addressed pretty quickly once it became clear those two struggled with depression. Britney's situation was allowed to continue for at least 2 years in the public eye now not to mention what was going-on BEHIND THE SCENES. That's the difference, really. [Edited 2/4/08 6:30am] | |
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thanks for your responses, they were an interesting read:
Rodya: I don't mind if you're not a janet fan, I just think that janet has better music and paved the way for britney, and janet dared to touch on a lot of subjects that britney wouldn't. I remember britney denying that the song lucky was about her own personal feelings, yeah freaking right! That song/video was produced well, and I would have respected her a little bit if she admitted it. Janet's label wanted her to work with different writers after Control and wanted her to release a control 2 or an album bashing her family, janet didn't want that and fought for getting the flyte time team back, and doing what she wanted to do, make rhythm nation. The label didn't think the socially conscious songs would work out, but she pushed for it and ended up getting her way. Britney wouldn't have been allowed to do that, even if she had the strength to do so, though I doubt it. Jive obviously wanted baby one more time part 2, and then we got oops, where she sounded nasally and like a horrible parody of baby one more time. Only about 3 songs were good on that CD, and her voice went down too since, it was okay on the first album, smoking killed it. I know janet's voice isn't the best, but I find it much more pleasant and soothing to listen to than britney, and janet in the past has used her voice well. Britney is more of a poser than Janet if you ask me when it comes to writing. I remember her telling YM in 1999 that she feels so good when she performs songs she has written from her experiences in life, she didn't write a single track on her first album, WTF was she talking about? [Edited 2/4/08 19:28pm] [Edited 2/4/08 19:28pm] | |
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Rodya24 said: alphastreet said: I used to say ugh janet copies michael and used to get annoyed for a little while when I was getting annoyed with janet, but got over that, though michael is way more talented. Janet had a motive and knew what she wanted out her music career when she decided to stick with, britney was a puppet who got everything handed to her. She didn't even write her songs or anything for quite some time. I know janet didn't either with her first 2 albums, but she made those as a side thing while focusing on acting.
[Edited 2/3/08 18:53pm] [Edited 2/3/08 18:55pm] I disagree. The little respect I have for both recording artists, I have more for Spears. She supported and continues to support her family. She put her older brother through college. Her parents whored her as a child and teenager. Janet Jackson on the other hand grew up in a rich household because of the success of her brothers. Come on! How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street? And having your husband as your secret writer for two albums? Come on! I love a number of Janet Jackson songs, but I am not deluded enough to think she is talented as some of her fans claim her to be. Is this in writing somewhere, because I don't think this is a fact at all. Her brother graduated from the same college that I went to years before I had even started there and I started college back in 1999 when Britney's career was just taking off, so those times don't add up. He most likely got scholarships, grants, or loans to pay for his college education. Plus, everyone knows that Britney has cut her family off financially for the past year at least (since the rehab thing anyway) and now she seems to hate them, so I don't see how she's supporting them. She's barely supporting her two kids and they did nothing to her. If they didn't garnish her wages for that child support, I have doubts that those little boys would be as well taken care of as they are, because we all know K-Fed ain't really bringin' shit to the table in the money department. I'm sorry, but Britney seems very concerned with her own happiness, JMO. She's dragging everybody into her sad existence because her father shouldn't have to be awarded conservatorship of his adult daughter's estate and finances because of her refusal to seek treatment prior to being legally committed by a judge. She should have been talking to a therapist for years now because I don't doubt that being as much in the spotlight as she is wouldn't cause her a huge amount of stress. I would have had a therapist on speed dial years ago if I was her. But anyway, the majority of her catalogue has been written by other people, so it's not 100% her musical achievements and that's a fact. I don't like giving all the credit to someone who doesn't really deserve it, because that's not right. It was like group project in school and there was always that lazy muthafucka in the group who did nothing, but still got the same amount of credit as everyone else...well, not in my group, because I went and told on that ass. I'm not going to do all the work while some ass sits back, offers little to no help, yet still gets credit. Sorry, not on my time. She was told what to do, say, sing, and how to act in public and she followed orders beautifully. The only thing I believe that she put more work into than her record label and handlers was her scantily-clad image, but why give credit to someone who's so image-oriented? Milli Vanilli was all image with great songwriters and singers behind them and we all know what happened there. The only difference between Britney and Milli Vanilli is that those are actually her weak vocals on those songs. Plus, she was MTVs Golden Girl back in the day and they used to play her videos in heavy rotation, so it was hard to ignore her presence. It's like seeing a Taco Bell commercial 100 times in a matter of minutes...you're going to get a craving for a Cheesy Crunch Gordita and a taco at some point. That's the beauty of advertising and she was lucky to have a record label that promoted her soo well, because she's really not that amazing of a talent. Prince Rogers Nelson
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estelle81 said: Rodya24 said: I disagree. The little respect I have for both recording artists, I have more for Spears. She supported and continues to support her family. She put her older brother through college. Her parents whored her as a child and teenager. Janet Jackson on the other hand grew up in a rich household because of the success of her brothers. Come on! How many recording artists have the opportunity to record a third album after having two flops in a row as she had with Janet Jackson and Dream Street? And having your husband as your secret writer for two albums? Come on! I love a number of Janet Jackson songs, but I am not deluded enough to think she is talented as some of her fans claim her to be. Is this in writing somewhere, because I don't think this is a fact at all. Her brother graduated from the same college that I went to years before I had even started there and I started college back in 1999 when Britney's career was just taking off, so those times don't add up. He most likely got scholarships, grants, or loans to pay for his college education. Plus, everyone knows that Britney has cut her family off financially for the past year at least (since the rehab thing anyway) and now she seems to hate them, so I don't see how she's supporting them. She's barely supporting her two kids and they did nothing to her. If they didn't garnish her wages for that child support, I have doubts that those little boys would be as well taken care of as they are, because we all know K-Fed ain't really bringin' shit to the table in the money department. I'm sorry, but Britney seems very concerned with her own happiness, JMO. She's dragging everybody into her sad existence because her father shouldn't have to be awarded conservatorship of his adult daughter's estate and finances because of her refusal to seek treatment prior to being legally committed by a judge. She should have been talking to a therapist for years now because I don't doubt that being as much in the spotlight as she is wouldn't cause her a huge amount of stress. I would have had a therapist on speed dial years ago if I was her. But anyway, the majority of her catalogue has been written by other people, so it's not 100% her musical achievements and that's a fact. I don't like giving all the credit to someone who doesn't really deserve it, because that's not right. It was like group project in school and there was always that lazy muthafucka in the group who did nothing, but still got the same amount of credit as everyone else...well, not in my group, because I went and told on that ass. I'm not going to do all the work while some ass sits back, offers little to no help, yet still gets credit. Sorry, not on my time. She was told what to do, say, sing, and how to act in public and she followed orders beautifully. The only thing I believe that she put more work into than her record label and handlers was her scantily-clad image, but why give credit to someone who's so image-oriented? Milli Vanilli was all image with great songwriters and singers behind them and we all know what happened there. The only difference between Britney and Milli Vanilli is that those are actually her weak vocals on those songs. Plus, she was MTVs Golden Girl back in the day and they used to play her videos in heavy rotation, so it was hard to ignore her presence. It's like seeing a Taco Bell commercial 100 times in a matter of minutes...you're going to get a craving for a Cheesy Crunch Gordita and a taco at some point. That's the beauty of advertising and she was lucky to have a record label that promoted her soo well, because she's really not that amazing of a talent. And you think other female recording artists who are of the same vein like those mentioned in this thread and Paula Abdul for example are much better talent-wise? If they are, I would love to see these recording artists write and produce several songs on their albums on their own. Sure, a number of these artists have much more perseverance and determination, but musically? Are artists like Abdul and Madonna really musically that much more talented? Moreover, this is a Spears music appreciation thread -- not a thread about pinpointing her lack of musical talents. [Edited 2/5/08 11:14am] [Edited 2/5/08 11:15am] | |
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alphastreet said: thanks for your responses, they were an interesting read:
Rodya: I don't mind if you're not a janet fan, I just think that janet has better music and paved the way for britney, and janet dared to touch on a lot of subjects that britney wouldn't. I remember britney denying that the song lucky was about her own personal feelings, yeah freaking right! That song/video was produced well, and I would have respected her a little bit if she admitted it. Janet's label wanted her to work with different writers after Control and wanted her to release a control 2 or an album bashing her family, janet didn't want that and fought for getting the flyte time team back, and doing what she wanted to do, make rhythm nation. The label didn't think the socially conscious songs would work out, but she pushed for it and ended up getting her way. Britney wouldn't have been allowed to do that, even if she had the strength to do so, though I doubt it. Jive obviously wanted baby one more time part 2, and then we got oops, where she sounded nasally and like a horrible parody of baby one more time. Only about 3 songs were good on that CD, and her voice went down too since, it was okay on the first album, smoking killed it. I know janet's voice isn't the best, but I find it much more pleasant and soothing to listen to than britney, and janet in the past has used her voice well. Britney is more of a poser than Janet if you ask me when it comes to writing. I remember her telling YM in 1999 that she feels so good when she performs songs she has written from her experiences in life, she didn't write a single track on her first album, WTF was she talking about? [Edited 2/4/08 19:28pm] [Edited 2/4/08 19:28pm] I am a fan of some Janet Jackson music like I am a fan of some Britney Spears music. What I do not understand is your need to bring up Jackson on the first page in a thread entitled "Britney's Music Appreciation Thread." If it was entitled "Who are Britney's influences?" I would have no problem with your posts. In this thread, I am afraid these posts are as irritating as my former Jackson and Madonna comparisons. I agree with you that Jackson influenced Spears, but so did Paula Abdul and various female recording artists who are well-known as good dancers who sing great dance songs. [Edited 2/5/08 11:10am] [Edited 2/5/08 11:10am] | |
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those mj and madonna threads weren't irritating, they were amusing, like my posts here LOL
anyways I also like gimmie more, timbaland/danja did a great job with the beat, something about it is so dark and 80's to me, I almost wish it was an mj or janet song instead | |
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Rodya24 said: And you think other female recording artists who are of the same vein like those mentioned in this thread and Paula Abdul for example are much better talent-wise? If they are, I would love to see these recording artists write and produce several songs on their albums on their own. Sure, a number of these artists have much more perseverance and determination, but musically? Are artists like Abdul and Madonna really musically that much more talented?
Moreover, this is a Spears music appreciation thread -- not a thread about pinpointing her lack of musical talents. [Edited 2/5/08 11:14am] [Edited 2/5/08 11:15am] Who said I thought Paula Abdul is more musically talented than Britney? Because,  yeah, she isn't.... no, for real, she really isn't. Madonna is only similar to Britney in that neither of them have amazing vocal ability, but Madonna is Madonna and she did the strong, sexual female image when Britney was singing the MMC theme song with Justin. I have a hard time comparing Britney to female artists who were out before she had her training wheels taken off her bicycle.
"Blackout" was written and produced by other people and Britney has been out since '99. She's only co-written a handful of her own songs out of 5 albums. That's pretty sad that she hasn't tried to step up her game as an artist, but always seems to want to do something new and different with her image in a music video. I don't believe in co-writing anyway, even if it's Beyonce or Christina Aguilera, because, nowadays, they consider co-writing adding one sentence to a 5 verse song or giving the song the title and that's it. That shit ain't co-writing in my opinion. If I just added the title to a 500 page novel that my friend wrote, it would be dumb for me to expect co-writing credit just for that. The main difference between these two women and Britney is that Paula has always done her own choreography (even taught Janet and MJ back in the day); Britney does other people's choreography, always has so she's only as good as her choreographer. Britney has copied from both Janet and Madonna with her concerts, image, and dancing, so that answers that point. Vocally, they are all in the same ship. Musically, well, that's based on opinion because I like Janet, old Paula, and only old Madonna (her new stuff does nothing for me). Britney has this tendency to sing nasally at times, which I find annoying, but some of her stuff is top notch. I thought "Someday" was a nice song and if she would put more effort into writing and producing her own stuff like she did on that song, I would give her more props. I stated that there are songs Britney has done that I like, (Toxic, Anticipated, and Lucky as stated in a previous post), but I like the songs and it wouldn't have mattered to me who sang them because they are good songs. This isn't a Britney Spears the person appreciation Thread, it's about the music she's put her name on and I appreciate the three that I've mentioned. Prince Rogers Nelson
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I appreciate her uptempo songs for being great tracks for working out! 
They're fast, not deep, bouncey, and sexual All of which make for a great exercise song I HATE! any and all of her slow, wanna-be deep, trying-to-prove-she-can-sing tracks  If you will, so will I | |
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estelle81 said: Rodya24 said: And you think other female recording artists who are of the same vein like those mentioned in this thread and Paula Abdul for example are much better talent-wise? If they are, I would love to see these recording artists write and produce several songs on their albums on their own. Sure, a number of these artists have much more perseverance and determination, but musically? Are artists like Abdul and Madonna really musically that much more talented?
Moreover, this is a Spears music appreciation thread -- not a thread about pinpointing her lack of musical talents. [Edited 2/5/08 11:14am] [Edited 2/5/08 11:15am] Who said I thought Paula Abdul is more musically talented than Britney? Because, yeah, she isn't.... no, for real, she really isn't. Madonna is only similar to Britney in that neither of them have amazing vocal ability, but Madonna is Madonna and she did the strong, sexual female image when Britney was singing the MMC theme song with Justin. I have a hard time comparing Britney to female artists who were out before she had her training wheels taken off her bicycle.
"Blackout" was written and produced by other people and Britney has been out since '99. She's only co-written a handful of her own songs out of 5 albums. That's pretty sad that she hasn't tried to step up her game as an artist, but always seems to want to do something new and different with her image in a music video. I don't believe in co-writing anyway, even if it's Beyonce or Christina Aguilera, because, nowadays, they consider co-writing adding one sentence to a 5 verse song or giving the song the title and that's it. That shit ain't co-writing in my opinion. If I just added the title to a 500 page novel that my friend wrote, it would be dumb for me to expect co-writing credit just for that. The main difference between these two women and Britney is that Paula has always done her own choreography (even taught Janet and MJ back in the day); Britney does other people's choreography, always has so she's only as good as her choreographer. Britney has copied from both Janet and Madonna with her concerts, image, and dancing, so that answers that point. Vocally, they are all in the same ship. Musically, well, that's based on opinion because I like Janet, old Paula, and only old Madonna (her new stuff does nothing for me). Britney has this tendency to sing nasally at times, which I find annoying, but some of her stuff is top notch. I thought "Someday" was a nice song and if she would put more effort into writing and producing her own stuff like she did on that song, I would give her more props. I stated that there are songs Britney has done that I like, (Toxic, Anticipated, and Lucky as stated in a previous post), but I like the songs and it wouldn't have mattered to me who sang them because they are good songs. This isn't a Britney Spears the person appreciation Thread, it's about the music she's put her name on and I appreciate the three that I've mentioned. 
I did not write that you should praise Spears as a person. Far from it. And all of those female artists you have mentioned have also copied from other artists. No one is in a vacuum. And it is not as if Spears has never acknowledged her influences. | |
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Rodya24 said: estelle81 said: Who said I thought Paula Abdul is more musically talented than Britney? Because, yeah, she isn't.... no, for real, she really isn't. Madonna is only similar to Britney in that neither of them have amazing vocal ability, but Madonna is Madonna and she did the strong, sexual female image when Britney was singing the MMC theme song with Justin. I have a hard time comparing Britney to female artists who were out before she had her training wheels taken off her bicycle.
"Blackout" was written and produced by other people and Britney has been out since '99. She's only co-written a handful of her own songs out of 5 albums. That's pretty sad that she hasn't tried to step up her game as an artist, but always seems to want to do something new and different with her image in a music video. I don't believe in co-writing anyway, even if it's Beyonce or Christina Aguilera, because, nowadays, they consider co-writing adding one sentence to a 5 verse song or giving the song the title and that's it. That shit ain't co-writing in my opinion. If I just added the title to a 500 page novel that my friend wrote, it would be dumb for me to expect co-writing credit just for that. The main difference between these two women and Britney is that Paula has always done her own choreography (even taught Janet and MJ back in the day); Britney does other people's choreography, always has so she's only as good as her choreographer. Britney has copied from both Janet and Madonna with her concerts, image, and dancing, so that answers that point. Vocally, they are all in the same ship. Musically, well, that's based on opinion because I like Janet, old Paula, and only old Madonna (her new stuff does nothing for me). Britney has this tendency to sing nasally at times, which I find annoying, but some of her stuff is top notch. I thought "Someday" was a nice song and if she would put more effort into writing and producing her own stuff like she did on that song, I would give her more props. I stated that there are songs Britney has done that I like, (Toxic, Anticipated, and Lucky as stated in a previous post), but I like the songs and it wouldn't have mattered to me who sang them because they are good songs. This isn't a Britney Spears the person appreciation Thread, it's about the music she's put her name on and I appreciate the three that I've mentioned.
I did not write that you should praise Spears as a person. Far from it. And all of those female artists you have mentioned have also copied from other artists. No one is in a vacuum. And it is not as if Spears has never acknowledged her influences. Madonna? Surely a kiss is enough acknowledgment! | |
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