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PrintableMattyJam said:  not the boy..... I'm glad mike has kids.....they'll keep him naturally grounded, moreso than the leeches that f ucked up what should have been a normal life for him. THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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PatrickS77 and whatsgoingon: Both of you need to take this: 
Both of you disagree with one another. No use arguing back and forth. Both of you have made valid points. You both are reminding me of myself in the other Michael Jackson children thread. I took this: It helped.[Edited 2/2/08 19:25pm] | |
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lowkey said: shorttrini said: Okay, if that's the case, then asked yourself, why? Why is it that he identifies, with a race that is not his own. Could it be that most of his actions and his music have been more accepting to the white audiences than to the black? Let's face it, whenever he has done something that was a little strange to us here in the states, the people abroard did not seem to care.....all they cared about was his music. Unlike some of us here in the U.S., who only seem to care about dumb shit like this. It's no wonder he feels the way he does... maybe there are more lunatics abroad? the black community in america have supported michael through thick and thin,but he has said some ridiculous things such as ...'THOSE ARE HIS BIOLOGICAL KIDS', he constantly lie about things (he's only had 1 nose job),he makes crazy comments (its perfectly normal to share your bed with a child)...i mean how long should people continue to look past the bullshit and not hold this guy responsible for his actions? as for your comment about the 'white' audience accepting him more and only caring about his music, are you kidding? white america for the most part despises this man, but as always us black folk tend to give our own the benefit of the doubt and still embrace them when they fall from grace.michael has the most delusional fans in the world, its not the typical 'my artist is the best' kind of fandom, these people make crazy statements like...'he looks great' or they simply disregard the fact that their hero has a unatural attraction to young boys and has been twice accused of sexual molestation, i know mj fans are gonna scream about he was aquitted but the fact he put himself in a position to be accused of a crime like that 2 times is a problem for me. You make valid points. However, not all MJ fans are what you describe them to be like. Every entertainer has delusional fans. MJ and Elvis more than others. But what do you expect? Both entertainers are not know for being "normal." However, even on the Org, I have noticed that there are a number of sane, rational, and intelligent MJ fans. These for the most part do not participate in threads on his personal life. | |
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WildStyle said: I still say Paris looks as bi-racial as Mariah
 Well thats not very hard considering Mariah doesn't look bi-racial at all. There's no way I would ever have believed Mariah had a black parent if it wasn't for this site. But I heard on an interview with Mariah that her mum mistook him for some Russian guy so he couldn't have been too black looking himself. | |
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Rodya24 said: lowkey said: maybe there are more lunatics abroad? the black community in america have supported michael through thick and thin,but he has said some ridiculous things such as ...'THOSE ARE HIS BIOLOGICAL KIDS', he constantly lie about things (he's only had 1 nose job),he makes crazy comments (its perfectly normal to share your bed with a child)...i mean how long should people continue to look past the bullshit and not hold this guy responsible for his actions? as for your comment about the 'white' audience accepting him more and only caring about his music, are you kidding? white america for the most part despises this man, but as always us black folk tend to give our own the benefit of the doubt and still embrace them when they fall from grace.michael has the most delusional fans in the world, its not the typical 'my artist is the best' kind of fandom, these people make crazy statements like...'he looks great' or they simply disregard the fact that their hero has a unatural attraction to young boys and has been twice accused of sexual molestation, i know mj fans are gonna scream about he was aquitted but the fact he put himself in a position to be accused of a crime like that 2 times is a problem for me. You make valid points. However, not all MJ fans are what you describe them to be like. Every entertainer has delusional fans. MJ and Elvis more than others. But what do you expect? Both entertainers are not know for being "normal." However, even on the Org, I have noticed that there are a number of sane, rational, and intelligent MJ fans. These for the most part do not participate in threads on his personal life. I wonder into which group do I fall... I am glad that I have resisted getting into the discussion not because I would not like having a discussion with people who have different opinion but because I don´t like having discussion with those who think their beliefs are the TRUTH simply because it can´t be any other way because it is so "obvious" that they are right and anyone believing otherwise must be lunatic, delusional or whatever you call these people. Even Columbus was a lunatic and delusional for believing that the Earth is round. How could it possibly be round when it does not look like it, right? I just don´t like being insulted, directly or indirectly. [Edited 2/3/08 0:54am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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hellomoto said: WildStyle said: I still say Paris looks as bi-racial as Mariah
Well thats not very hard considering Mariah doesn't look bi-racial at all. There's no way I would ever have believed Mariah had a black parent if it wasn't for this site. But I heard on an interview with Mariah that her mum mistook him for some Russian guy so he couldn't have been too black looking himself. Yea, apparently her mother mistook her Dad for Yul Bryner!! She has said her father was very fair skin. And even if you don't believe Mariah looks bi-racial, both her brother and sister do. | |
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TotalAlisa said: yeah they do look like debbie rowe.. and thats cause they are her biological kids NOT MICHAEL'S...
those are his kids.. but not biological... i love him.. but not crazy enough to believe his gametes produced those kids And what do you think Michael's reason was for choosing three white kids? Do you have any suggestions as to what his motivation might have been for that? And if he can lie so blatantly about this, don't you think it means he could lie shamelessly about other things too? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Slyness alert. Mariah Carey is actually three quarters white. Her father was himself bi-racial. People call her father black just like they call Barack Obama and Halle Berry black, when actually neither of them are black. They are mixed race. Only in America are bi-racial people routinely called "black". “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: TotalAlisa said: yeah they do look like debbie rowe.. and thats cause they are her biological kids NOT MICHAEL'S...
those are his kids.. but not biological... i love him.. but not crazy enough to believe his gametes produced those kids And what do you think Michael's reason was for choosing three white kids? Do you have any suggestions as to what his motivation might have been for that? And if he can lie so blatantly about this, don't you think it means he could lie shamelessly about other things too? HIs motivation? Don´t you know that he HATES black and wants everything to be white includng himself and his kids? Ask all the "experts" over here. 
See this is exactly it. I do believe that his kids are his and I don´t care what they look like. If they weren´t his kids, nothing, I mean nothing would make sence to me. And as I said in the beginning I see something of MIke in them even though others can´t see it. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: midnightmover said: And what do you think Michael's reason was for choosing three white kids? Do you have any suggestions as to what his motivation might have been for that? And if he can lie so blatantly about this, don't you think it means he could lie shamelessly about other things too? HIs motivation? Don´t you know that he HATES black and wants everything to be white includng himself and his kids? Ask all the "experts" over here.
See this is exactly it. I do believe that his kids are his and I don´t care what they look like. If they weren´t his kids, nothing, I mean nothing would make sence to me. And as I said in the beginning I see something of MIke in them even though others can´t see it. In your previous post you asked what category of MJ fan you belonged in. I'm happy to answer the question for you. You are one of the loons. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: dag said: HIs motivation? Don´t you know that he HATES black and wants everything to be white includng himself and his kids? Ask all the "experts" over here.
See this is exactly it. I do believe that his kids are his and I don´t care what they look like. If they weren´t his kids, nothing, I mean nothing would make sence to me. And as I said in the beginning I see something of MIke in them even though others can´t see it. In your previous post you asked what category of MJ fan you belonged in. I'm happy to answer the question for you. You are one of the loons. Thanks. I thought so.  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: TotalAlisa said: yeah they do look like debbie rowe.. and thats cause they are her biological kids NOT MICHAEL'S...
those are his kids.. but not biological... i love him.. but not crazy enough to believe his gametes produced those kids And what do you think Michael's reason was for choosing three white kids? Do you have any suggestions as to what his motivation might have been for that? And if he can lie so blatantly about this, don't you think it means he could lie shamelessly about other things too? Even Madonna has a black child.
But seriously I commented to a friend about how I wished we could see all the Jacksons and their kids together on Oprah the way she recently had 100 Osmonds on. My friend remarked that we would see how the Jacksons started out as a "black family" that with each generation "got lighter until they were literally white. A century from now the Jackson legacy may be represented by white people!" In hindsight I think it hurt for him to see that the most prolific member of black musical royalty had offspring that not only don't look like Michael or any of the Jacksons.  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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whatsgoingon said: hellomoto said: Well thats not very hard considering Mariah doesn't look bi-racial at all. There's no way I would ever have believed Mariah had a black parent if it wasn't for this site. But I heard on an interview with Mariah that her mum mistook him for some Russian guy so he couldn't have been too black looking himself. Yea, apparently her mother mistook her Dad for Yul Bryner!! She has said her father was very fair skin. And even if you don't believe Mariah looks bi-racial, both her brother and sister do. | |
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midnightmover said: Slyness alert. Mariah Carey is actually three quarters white. Her father was himself bi-racial. People call her father black just like they call Barack Obama and Halle Berry black, when actually neither of them are black. They are mixed race. Only in America are bi-racial people routinely called "black".
True, it's called the "one-drop rule." It is a social tenet created during slavery to ensure the purity of one race (white) while stating the children of black-white unions were "black." In fact, it was an actual legislated rule (any person who could trace someone of African ancestry back in his or her family tree on both maternal and paternal sides -- and the qualifying number was as litte as one-sixteenth -- was considered "black") that has been passed down as a social practice. The best way to think of it is in the context of a genetic landfill. The rule is also extended to any person who is the biracial product of a union with a black person, even if the other parent is not white (see Tiger Woods). [Edited 2/3/08 7:25am] | |
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midnightmover said: Slyness alert. Mariah Carey is actually three quarters white. Her father was himself bi-racial. People call her father black just like they call Barack Obama and Halle Berry black, when actually neither of them are black. They are mixed race. Only in America are bi-racial people routinely called "black".
Both Halle and Barack self-identify themselves with being black. Not all bi-racial AMERICANS do so, like Tiger Woods. The individual has the right to decide how they want to be identified racially. And its not just an American thing. Mel B identifies with being called a black woman and yet is bi-racial. | |
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Rodya24 said: uPtoWnNY said: Some of us grew up on Michael, going back to the J5 days when he was Soul Brother Number 2. It's just sad seeing what he's turned himself into. I understand. Well, I hope in the near future, older orgers can share with younger ones good memories of MJ. That was such a great time. Those young brothas had an enormous effect on black youth in the early years. Seeing them do their thing on the Ed Sullivan Show filled me(and my friends) with a sense of pride. We wore big 'fros like the J5, tried to dance like them, sang their songs and bought every issue of Right On! magazine that featured them. White folks even tried to create their own version(those lame-ass Osmonds, lol). You can understand why us older fans are disappointed with Michael now. |
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Bottomline, genetics are a trip and you don't know how they will come through.
I don't believe these are his biological children but he's raising them so whatever. I think more people would be sympathetic to MJs skin condition if he didn't start wearing red lipstick and destroying his face. That's something else. | |
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JackieBlue said: midnightmover said: And what do you think Michael's reason was for choosing three white kids? Do you have any suggestions as to what his motivation might have been for that? And if he can lie so blatantly about this, don't you think it means he could lie shamelessly about other things too? Even Madonna has a black child.
But seriously I commented to a friend about how I wished we could see all the Jacksons and their kids together on Oprah the way she recently had 100 Osmonds on. My friend remarked that we would see how the Jacksons started out as a "black family" that with each generation "got lighter until they were literally white. A century from now the Jackson legacy may be represented by white people!" In hindsight I think it hurt for him to see that the most prolific member of black musical royalty had offspring that not only don't look like Michael or any of the Jacksons. To be fair to the rest of the brothers they have all married woman of colour in the pass, be them black or mixed race. They may have had nose jobs but unlike Michael at least they don't have qualms about producing children that look like JACKSONS or black. And I understand about their native Indian ancestry, you can see it in their father. Latoya, inspite of the surgery, has always been very fair. One of Tito's son, Taryll Jackson had strawberry blonde hair when he was young and has light eyes, so I understand how genetics can work. But in Michael case ALL THREE children have no hint of blackness. The funniest one is BLanket you remember MJ saying that the mother is black? If the mother is black and he is black then there is no way that boy would look like that! Such delusions!! Someone said the Michael you see now is the same Michael of 1978, inspite of his looks, I disagree. The Michael of 1978 would NEVER be so deluded! | |
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[Wow. Post a pic of Mike's kids and a whole racial conversation ensues. Could this be why he masks them all the time? Bottom line: The kids look well taken care of, healthy and beautiful. Who are we to judge how psycologically messed up they are? Most of us here need to check ourselves! LOL! They're cute, especially Blanket! Enough, everyone's said their piece...  - June7] |
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