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midnightmover said: I don't know who the bigest wackos are. People who think those may be his kids, or people who know they're not his kids, and still can't see how it connects with his whitened skin. Any sane person can see they are signs of the same thing. This dude does not want to be black. He lies about his kids and expects people to believe it, and he lies about his skin and expects people to believe it. His self hatred is of course his own problem, but it's also an insult to his entire race.
Okay, if that's the case, then asked yourself, why? Why is it that he identifies, with a race that is not his own. Could it be that most of his actions and his music have been more accepting to the white audiences than to the black? Let's face it, whenever he has done something that was a little strange to us here in the states, the people abroard did not seem to care.....all they cared about was his music. Unlike some of us here in the U.S., who only seem to care about dumb shit like this. It's no wonder he feels the way he does... "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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dag said: Call me crazy, but I see something of Michael in Prince. I don´t know what it is though. Wishful thinking, amigo. Wishful thinking. | |
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And, I guess this will be my MJ-race post for 2008... well, for this quarter, at least.
The reason so many black Americans get upset over MJ's surgery, lying about white kids being his progeny and continual rumors of molestation is that we remember his roots. We remember him being part of the soul of a bygone musical era. When he was a little, curly-headed, round-nosed mini-James Brown performing with his brothers, when he grew up and the oversized Ebony showed pictorial tours of the Jackson estate -- he and his family represented a real, famous black American success story. So, in very real cultural terms, yes, we felt invested in not only his success but in his acknowledgment of those black American roots. He has spent the past twentysomething years distancing himself from that cultural identity, for whatever reason, and it's painful to watch. While others see a misunderstood superstar genius, we see a man who clearly has lost his mind and identity. [Edited 2/2/08 8:31am] | |
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ThreadBare said: And, I guess this will be my MJ-race post for 2008... well, for this quarter, at least.
The reason so many black Americans get upset over MJ's surgery, lying about white kids being his progeny and continual rumors of molestation is that we remember his roots. We remember him being part of the soul of a bygone musical era. When he was a little, curly-headed, round-nosed mini-James Brown performing with his brothers, when he grew up and the oversized Ebony showed pictorial tours of the Jackson estate -- they represented a real, famous black American success story. So, in very real cultural terms, yes, we felt invested in not only his success but in his acknowledgment of those black American roots. He has spent the past twentysomething years distancing himself from that cultural identity, for whatever reason, and it's painful to watch. While others see a misunderstood superstar genius, we see a man who clearly has lost his mind and identity. Well, since you quoted me... [Edited 2/2/08 9:00am] | |
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Rodya24 said: ThreadBare said: And, I guess this will be my MJ-race post for 2008... well, for this quarter, at least.
The reason so many black Americans get upset over MJ's surgery, lying about white kids being his progeny and continual rumors of molestation is that we remember his roots. We remember him being part of the soul of a bygone musical era. When he was a little, curly-headed, round-nosed mini-James Brown performing with his brothers, when he grew up and the oversized Ebony showed pictorial tours of the Jackson estate -- they represented a real, famous black American success story. So, in very real cultural terms, yes, we felt invested in not only his success but in his acknowledgment of those black American roots. He has spent the past twentysomething years distancing himself from that cultural identity, for whatever reason, and it's painful to watch. While others see a misunderstood superstar genius, we see a man who clearly has lost his mind and identity. Do you know that what MJ did with the so-called Beatles catalog in the mid-1980s? The fact that this catalog consisted of music by black Americans in addition to the "sacred" Beatles music was, of course, not widely broadcast in the mainstream media. He gave these African-American popular musicians, a number of whom including Little Richard were broke, their publishing rights back. Why is this not more discussed or known? And btw, personal or cultural identity does not revolve around one's racial identity alone. I'm glad he did that. Awesome of him.
Some who have it wear makeup that preserves the appearance of their original skin tone. Michael didn't. OK. His choice. A number of people have gotten nose jobs. Mike has had his filed down into oblivion. OK. His choice. A number of people adopt children. It's a great thing to do.  Michael pretends his white kids are his progeny. OK... His choice...I never suggested that racial identity was a primary determinant of someone's cultural identity. But you take the aggregate of those actions, and it's obvious what carries more cultural weight with MJ. Black Americans aren't hysterical over this -- we just would like certain fans of his to stop denying what he's done to himself and what the logical implications of that are. | |
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ThreadBare said: Rodya24 said: Do you know that what MJ did with the so-called Beatles catalog in the mid-1980s? The fact that this catalog consisted of music by black Americans in addition to the "sacred" Beatles music was, of course, not widely broadcast in the mainstream media. He gave these African-American popular musicians, a number of whom including Little Richard were broke, their publishing rights back. Why is this not more discussed or known? And btw, personal or cultural identity does not revolve around one's racial identity alone. I'm glad he did that. Awesome of him.
Some who have it wear makeup that preserves the appearance of their original skin tone. Michael didn't. OK. His choice. A number of people have gotten nose jobs. Mike has had his filed down into oblivion. OK. His choice. A number of people adopt children. It's a great thing to do. Michael pretends his white kids are his progeny. OK... His choice...I never suggested that racial identity was a primary determinant of someone's cultural identity. But you take the aggregate of those actions, and it's obvious what carries more cultural weight with MJ. Black Americans aren't hysterical over this -- we just would like certain fans of his to stop denying what he's done to himself and what the logical implications of that are. OK. Thank you for giving me a reasonable and calm response. As for your last point, I do not think that will ever happen. In this very thread, there are some hardcore fans like TotalAlisa who think those children are not his, and then there are others who disagree. | |
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bboy87 said: Let's just let this thread sink.
And on that note..... 
FLASHIN!  the shoes and purse are fly this thread sucks. Threadbare, you're so smart and that is sexy. My daughter and me look nothing alike. ok. done. | |
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For one minute, I actually thought the dude in the pumps was Lenny Kravitz's son in the face!  I swore to God!
I was about to say "WHICH WAY ARE YOU GOING?" | |
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DarlingDiana said: You can't see Michael in Prince at least? Not only his eyes but to me he has a darker skin tone. He's like a light brown more than a white. [Edited 2/1/08 20:05pm] Michael Jackson and his siblings are actually 1/4 Native American. Perhaps his children embody some of those features? This thread is so ridiculously racist, and those of you arguing don't even realize it. Being Black is not about your skin tone. It is offensive to argue about the race of the children, and it is offensive to argue about whether or not Michael Jackson is truly their father. For any other human being, this sort of discussion would be offensive. However, Jackson brings this all upon himself, and does so in a brilliant fashion. Vanilli said: I'm sorry ya'll but just because Michael is a public figure, doesn't entitle US to know if the kids are his or not? I don't care if you are his biggest fan or biggest critic, you have ZERO right to know.
It is Michael's family, and I think it is just cold when fans or haters alike feel like, because Michael is in the public eye, they have some right to discuss his kids. You are wrong and right at the same time. Being in the public eye does not entitle the world to know everything about you. Michael Jackson has been in the public eye since he was a child, and he wasn't really given a choice then. However, I do think that Jackson has a greater hand in generating this kind of controversy than most of you realize. Michael Jackson's FREAKINESS adds another dimension to his legendary persona. Michael Jackson will never be forgotten. The FREAKY Michael Jackson is always debatable, with at least two clear positions that seem perfectly legitimate. This aspect of his artistry is one of the things Michael does better than anyone else. Michael Jackson paints his own portraits. -Michael Jackson has vitiligo vs. Michael Jackson is a self-hating black man -Michael Jackson is the biological father of his children vs. they Michael Jackson is not the biological father of his children Jackson wants you all to speculate over whether the children are his or not. In fact, he probably arranged/sold the photos himself. Michael Jackson is reminding us that he is still around by revealing his children's faces, just before he releases his THRILLER album again. Michael Jackson is a genius. While he has many of you all either looking down on him as a FREAK from your PC or defending him relentlessly, Jackson remains in control. Jackson has you spending your time talking about him. [Edited 2/2/08 9:14am] | |
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vanity2 said: DarlingDiana said: You can't see Michael in Prince at least? Not only his eyes but to me he has a darker skin tone. He's like a light brown more than a white. [Edited 2/1/08 20:05pm] Michael Jackson and his siblings are actually 1/4 Native American. Perhaps his children embody some of those features? This thread is so ridiculously racist, and those of you arguing don't even realize it. Being Black is not about your skin tone. It is offensive to argue about the race of the children, and it is offensive to argue about whether or not Michael Jackson is truly their father. For any other human being, this sort of discussion would be offensive. However, Jackson brings this all upon himself, and does so in a brilliant fashion. Vanilli said: I'm sorry ya'll but just because Michael is a public figure, doesn't entitle US to know if the kids are his or not? I don't care if you are his biggest fan or biggest critic, you have ZERO right to know.
It is Michael's family, and I think it is just cold when fans or haters alike feel like, because Michael is in the public eye, they have some right to discuss his kids. You are wrong and right at the same time. Being in the public eye does not entitle the world to know everything about you. Michael Jackson has been in the public eye since he was a child, and he wasn't really given a choice then. However, I do think that Jackson has a greater hand in generating this kind of controversy than most of you realize. Michael Jackson's FREAKINESS adds another dimension to his legendary persona. Michael Jackson will never be forgotten. The FREAKY Michael Jackson is always debatable, with at least two clear positions that seem perfectly legitimate. This aspect of his artistry is one of the things Michael does better than anyone else. -Michael Jackson has vitiligo vs. Michael Jackson is a self-hating black man -Michael Jackson is the biological father of his children vs. they Michael Jackson is not the biological father of his children Jackson wants you all to speculate over whether the children are his or not. In fact, he probably arranged/sold the photos himself. Michael Jackson is reminding us that he is still around by revealing his children's faces, just before he releases his THRILLER album again. Michael Jackson is a genius. While he has many of you all either looking down on him as a FREAK from your PC or defending him relentlessly, Jackson remains in control. Jackson has you spending your time talking about him. I am not sure....  | |
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vanity2 said: DarlingDiana said: You can't see Michael in Prince at least? Not only his eyes but to me he has a darker skin tone. He's like a light brown more than a white. [Edited 2/1/08 20:05pm] Michael Jackson and his siblings are actually 1/4 Native American. Perhaps his children embody some of those features? This thread is so ridiculously racist, and those of you arguing don't even realize it. Being Black is not about your skin tone. It is offensive to argue about the race of the children, and it is offensive to argue about whether or not Michael Jackson is truly their father. For any other human being, this sort of discussion would be offensive. However, Jackson brings this all upon himself, and does so in a brilliant fashion. Vanilli said: I'm sorry ya'll but just because Michael is a public figure, doesn't entitle US to know if the kids are his or not? I don't care if you are his biggest fan or biggest critic, you have ZERO right to know.
It is Michael's family, and I think it is just cold when fans or haters alike feel like, because Michael is in the public eye, they have some right to discuss his kids. You are wrong and right at the same time. Being in the public eye does not entitle the world to know everything about you. Michael Jackson has been in the public eye since he was a child, and he wasn't really given a choice then. However, I do think that Jackson has a greater hand in generating this kind of controversy than most of you realize. Michael Jackson's FREAKINESS adds another dimension to his legendary persona. Michael Jackson will never be forgotten. The FREAKY Michael Jackson is always debatable, with at least two clear positions that seem perfectly legitimate. This aspect of his artistry is one of the things Michael does better than anyone else. Michael Jackson paints his own portraits. -Michael Jackson has vitiligo vs. Michael Jackson is a self-hating black man -Michael Jackson is the biological father of his children vs. they Michael Jackson is not the biological father of his children Jackson wants you all to speculate over whether the children are his or not. In fact, he probably arranged/sold the photos himself. Michael Jackson is reminding us that he is still around by revealing his children's faces, just before he releases his THRILLER album again. Michael Jackson is a genius. While he has many of you all either looking down on him as a FREAK from your PC or defending him relentlessly, Jackson remains in control. Jackson has you spending your time talking about him. [Edited 2/2/08 9:14am] The man has inspired a million posts on his threads! | |
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MikeMatronik said: bboy87 said:   Georgy!!!U consider Georgy manly? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
U 'gon make me shake my doo loose! http://www.twitter.com/nivlekbrad | |
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But yo, since I'm a nWo member, I'm gonna start some shit so all of you can debate even more since that's what you do all the time:
Now can any of you guess who this is? I guess you'll never expected he'll turn out to be this: 
Ok, carry on.  | |
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Timmy84 said: But yo, since I'm a nWo member, I'm gonna start some shit so all of you can debate even more since that's what you do all the time:
Now can any of you guess who this is? I guess you'll never expected he'll turn out to be this:
Ok, carry on. 
Who would have thought that cute black child would turn out to become Jack Skellington from A Nightmare Before Christmas. | |
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Hey, you know the saying:
"Only in America can a poor black boy born in utter poverty in Gary, Indiana grow up to be a rich white man, only in America!"
Really, I can't even argue, the dude's transformation has been sad. I still love and dig his music though. And he's obviously still black as far as identity. Blame it on vitiligo, wigs and surgery for making him look like this. [Edited 2/2/08 9:36am] | |
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Timmy84 said: Hey, you know the saying:
"Only in America can a poor black boy born in utter poverty in Gary, Indiana grow up to be a rich white man, only in America!"
Really, I can't even argue, the dude's transformation has been sad. I still love and dig his music though. And he's obviously still black as far as identity. Blame it on vitiligo, wigs and surgery for making him look like this. [Edited 2/2/08 9:36am] And there it is  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Michael Jackson is a perfect example of how fixated on appearances America is. The fact that half you cannot and refuse to accept him as the same person he was in 1978 just shows how much appearance means everything to some people. Michael still acts the same, is still as amazing, is still as talented. I think people need looking at if they think a change in appearance changing the person completely. | |
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hey jack skelligton is adorable! I don't really think that and mj look alike, but it is totally sad how it's turned out from him though that doesn't take away from music and contributions. I'm listening to janet's new stuff and the thriller 25 remixes, which have finally grown on me, and I really think he can put out good new music if he sets his mind to it. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Michael Jackson is a perfect example of how fixated on appearances America is. The fact that half you cannot and refuse to accept him as the same person he was in 1978 just shows how much appearance means everything to some people. Michael still acts the same, is still as amazing, is still as talented. I think people need looking at if they think a change in appearance changing the person completely.
I know what you mean, it was shocking to me as a kid, but now I just don't dwell on it and just listen to the music. He couldn't help having vitiligo. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Michael Jackson is a perfect example of how fixated on appearances America is. The fact that half you cannot and refuse to accept him as the same person he was in 1978 just shows how much appearance means everything to some people. Michael still acts the same, is still as amazing, is still as talented. I think people need looking at if they think a change in appearance changing the person completely.
I think he's the same person but still it's SHOCKING his physical appearance is, you expect people to shut up about it, you're only fooling yourself. | |
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alphastreet said: DarlingDiana said: Michael Jackson is a perfect example of how fixated on appearances America is. The fact that half you cannot and refuse to accept him as the same person he was in 1978 just shows how much appearance means everything to some people. Michael still acts the same, is still as amazing, is still as talented. I think people need looking at if they think a change in appearance changing the person completely.
I know what you mean, it was shocking to me as a kid, but now I just don't dwell on it and just listen to the music. He couldn't help having vitiligo. He could've helped putting that shit on his head from the picture above! | |
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alphastreet said: hey jack skelligton is adorable! I don't really think that and mj look alike, but it is totally sad how it's turned out from him though that doesn't take away from music and contributions. I'm listening to janet's new stuff and the thriller 25 remixes, which have finally grown on me, and I really think he can put out good new music if he sets his mind to it.
Tim Burton's A Nightmare Before Christmas is one of my favorite movies. I love Jack Skellington as well. Michael Jackson is one of my favorite popular musicians and entertainers regardless of what he looks like. | |
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Timmy84 said: DarlingDiana said: Michael Jackson is a perfect example of how fixated on appearances America is. The fact that half you cannot and refuse to accept him as the same person he was in 1978 just shows how much appearance means everything to some people. Michael still acts the same, is still as amazing, is still as talented. I think people need looking at if they think a change in appearance changing the person completely.
I think he's the same person but still it's SHOCKING his physical appearance is, you expect people to shut up about it, you're only fooling yourself. No, I mean, it's noticeable, lol, but it doesn't make him a different person. A lot of people act like the 1978 black kid is a different person to the 2008 white questionable. But he's the same guy and I think it's just stupid to say otherwise and it shows how shallow you are. | |
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Rodya24 said: alphastreet said: hey jack skelligton is adorable! I don't really think that and mj look alike, but it is totally sad how it's turned out from him though that doesn't take away from music and contributions. I'm listening to janet's new stuff and the thriller 25 remixes, which have finally grown on me, and I really think he can put out good new music if he sets his mind to it.
Tim Burton's A Nightmare Before Christmas is one of my favorite movies. I love Jack Skellington as well. Michael Jackson is one of my favorite popular musicians and entertainers regardless of what he looks like. likewise, I was just saying I don't really see the resemblance. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Timmy84 said: I think he's the same person but still it's SHOCKING his physical appearance is, you expect people to shut up about it, you're only fooling yourself. No, I mean, it's noticeable, lol, but it doesn't make him a different person. A lot of people act like the 1978 black kid is a different person to the 2008 white questionable. But he's the same guy and I think it's just stupid to say otherwise and it shows how shallow you are. Oh I agree but just in case some shit pops off, I got the popcorn. | |
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alphastreet said: Rodya24 said: Tim Burton's A Nightmare Before Christmas is one of my favorite movies. I love Jack Skellington as well. Michael Jackson is one of my favorite popular musicians and entertainers regardless of what he looks like. likewise, I was just saying I don't really see the resemblance. Tall, thin, pale skin. Come on! You don't see the resemblance? | |
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Thriller81 said: I remember reading Quincy Jones' autobiography, and he was talking about Tina Turner, and how he wanted her to play the part of Shug in The Color Purple, and how Tina Turner flat out refused, and said "I wouldn't do a Black picture if I was dying, it took me twenty years to get out of that black shit and I ain't going back". Never once have I heard people on this org talk shit about Tina Turner hate being Black, yet Michael Jackson, who never said anything degrading about Black people, Black culture, Black music, his family, Africa, etc., has been accused on a daily basis about hating being Black. I guess because she still has her pigmentation, she can get away with saying that?????
Yeah,I have that Quincy Jones book.I was surprised by what Tina said,but considering what she went through with Ike,perhaps it makes sense? Maybe she didn't want to be in a movie in which a black woman is mistreated by her black husband.She already went through that in her real life.  I like Tina,so maybe I'm just giving her a pass? | |
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Once again it's another predictable thread on the org concerning Michael and his kids. Sure, it does seem highly unlikely that two of his kids would turn out looking totally white (and I say two kids because the youngest one does not look completely white to me), but with that said NONE of you have any proof concerning the paternity of those kids. I don't care how right you think you are, the fact of the matter is that ONLY Michael and Debbie know the deal and unless you were there or you've seen a paternity test, then shut up already, damn! lol.
But personally, I don't care if the kids are his or not anymore, all I know is that Blanket is one of the cutest kids i've ever seen lol. I want more pics of Blanket, he's adorable. [Edited 2/2/08 10:34am] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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SoulAlive said: Thriller81 said: I remember reading Quincy Jones' autobiography, and he was talking about Tina Turner, and how he wanted her to play the part of Shug in The Color Purple, and how Tina Turner flat out refused, and said "I wouldn't do a Black picture if I was dying, it took me twenty years to get out of that black shit and I ain't going back". Never once have I heard people on this org talk shit about Tina Turner hate being Black, yet Michael Jackson, who never said anything degrading about Black people, Black culture, Black music, his family, Africa, etc., has been accused on a daily basis about hating being Black. I guess because she still has her pigmentation, she can get away with saying that?????
Yeah,I have that Quincy Jones book.I was surprised by what Tina said,but considering what she went through with Ike,perhaps it makes sense? Maybe she didn't want to be in a movie in which a black woman is mistreated by her black husband.She already went through that in her real life. I like Tina,so maybe I'm just giving her a pass? Nah that's exactly what she meant by that. I guess the abuse was so bad that she would say something like that. But I still look at her as a positive icon of black music like I do Michael. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: Once again it's another predictable thread on the org concerning Michael and his kids. Sure, it does seem highly unlikely that two of his kids would turn out looking totally white (and I say two kids because the youngest one does not look completely white to me), but with that said NONE of you have any proof concerning the paternity of those kids. I don't care how right you think you are, the fact of the matter is that ONLY Michael and Debbie know the deal and unless you were there or you've seen a paternity test, then shut up already, damn! lol.
But personally, I don't care if the kids are his or not anymore, all I know is that Blanket is one of the cutest kids i've ever seen lol. I want more pics of Blanket, he's too cute. AMEN!!!!  [Edited 2/2/08 10:34am] | |
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