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Reply #30 posted 01/31/08 4:37pm

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Why are the two OFFICIAL tracklists got different songs, the fact they are not the same, says somethings fishy. The man I think has retired and he owes too much money, why do you think Sony would give a 49 year old freak who was popular 25 years ago keys to a studio to make more 80s electropop. If u believe that I have the Brooklyn bridge to sell you.
Record companies would rather invest in the greatest hits of Chingy and Akon!!
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Reply #31 posted 01/31/08 5:20pm

Rodya24

tane1976 said:

Why are the two OFFICIAL tracklists got different songs, the fact they are not the same, says somethings fishy. The man I think has retired and he owes too much money, why do you think Sony would give a 49 year old freak who was popular 25 years ago keys to a studio to make more 80s electropop. If u believe that I have the Brooklyn bridge to sell you.
Record companies would rather invest in the greatest hits of Chingy and Akon!!


Ummm... None of the tracklists in this thread are official. Orgers are having fun and speculating like they do in other new-album related threads like the one for Madonna. And btw, he is still popular among a number of people around the world. Sure, he reached his all-time commercial peak with Thriller, but only someone with a grudge against MJ would deny his popularity well after Thriller.
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Reply #32 posted 01/31/08 9:06pm

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Rodya24 said:

tane1976 said:

Why are the two OFFICIAL tracklists got different songs, the fact they are not the same, says somethings fishy. The man I think has retired and he owes too much money, why do you think Sony would give a 49 year old freak who was popular 25 years ago keys to a studio to make more 80s electropop. If u believe that I have the Brooklyn bridge to sell you.
Record companies would rather invest in the greatest hits of Chingy and Akon!!


Ummm... None of the tracklists in this thread are official. Orgers are having fun and speculating like they do in other new-album related threads like the one for Madonna. And btw, he is still popular among a number of people around the world. Sure, he reached his all-time commercial peak with Thriller, but only someone with a grudge against MJ would deny his popularity well after Thriller.


His poularity died off after the first allegations of child abuse. The sales figures for History were only about 10 million and most of the purchasers wanted the greatest hits CD and the large illuatrated booklet. By this stage he had already proved he was barmy including a spooky mural of him surrounded by children of the world and a list thanking a man called Bruce Sweiden, who can only be descibed as his boy friend or boy procurer. Also the J Randy Taraborelli book claims employees at Neverland often found photos of Michael and Boys messing around and kept a stock of child pornography videos at the mansion and forced the children to watch it, while he got them drunk, drugged and played with their genitals.
Also 1997s Blood on the Dancefloor was a mega flop and the Invincible album was a joke selling less than 2 million copies worldwide. The gimmick of 5 different colored sleeves did not help. But even Dangerous sounded tired and I remeber that he released at least 7 singles off and they were sold in a Michael Jackson cassingle dispenser, the height of arrogance along with the giant statues floating down rivers in 1995.
Even if the album comes out, it would maybe sell one million if its lucky and Jackson owes Sony at least 300 million dollars
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Reply #33 posted 02/01/08 2:07am

Fandor

SoulAlive said:

Ronnuz said:

Well at least this tracklist looks a little less fake. wink


Yeah,but why would he title it 'History Book II'?


You can't be serious.
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Reply #34 posted 02/01/08 2:24am

SoulAlive

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)


hmmm The first song on Prince's 'Batman' album is called "The Future".Surely Michael wouldn't wanna be seen as a copycat,lol.



3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)


Sounds like another one of those "Have-sympathy-for-me-because-I-had-a-fucked-up-childhood"-type songs disbelief Let it go,Michael!
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Reply #35 posted 02/01/08 5:20am

Rodya24

tane1976 said:

Rodya24 said:



Ummm... None of the tracklists in this thread are official. Orgers are having fun and speculating like they do in other new-album related threads like the one for Madonna. And btw, he is still popular among a number of people around the world. Sure, he reached his all-time commercial peak with Thriller, but only someone with a grudge against MJ would deny his popularity well after Thriller.


His poularity died off after the first allegations of child abuse. The sales figures for History were only about 10 million and most of the purchasers wanted the greatest hits CD and the large illuatrated booklet. By this stage he had already proved he was barmy including a spooky mural of him surrounded by children of the world and a list thanking a man called Bruce Sweiden, who can only be descibed as his boy friend or boy procurer. Also the J Randy Taraborelli book claims employees at Neverland often found photos of Michael and Boys messing around and kept a stock of child pornography videos at the mansion and forced the children to watch it, while he got them drunk, drugged and played with their genitals.
Also 1997s Blood on the Dancefloor was a mega flop and the Invincible album was a joke selling less than 2 million copies worldwide. The gimmick of 5 different colored sleeves did not help. But even Dangerous sounded tired and I remeber that he released at least 7 singles off and they were sold in a Michael Jackson cassingle dispenser, the height of arrogance along with the giant statues floating down rivers in 1995.
Even if the album comes out, it would maybe sell one million if its lucky and Jackson owes Sony at least 300 million dollars


Wow. Where to begin?

First off, Bruce Swedien is a studio engineer. A close friend of both Quincy Jones and MJ.

As for the rest of the child molestation accusation, I am not going to address it because it is so preposterous (hint: you are getting your information from a book). If you are so concerned, report your concerns to the police.

As for the sales figures, wow. HIStory sold much more than 10 million. Blood on the Dancefloor is a remix album with only four to five new songs. It is the best-selling remix album so far. Second on that list if Madonna's You Can Dance.

As for Invincible, yes, it was his lowest-selling studio album. But it sold more than 2 million worldwide.

And owning SONY 300 million dollars? I suggest you read the Forbes and New York Times articles on MJ's finances instead of tabloid magazines and books.

And I noticed you did not respond to my correction of your post about the so-called two suspicious official tracklists. Hint: neither is official.

Also, I noticed that you corrected yourself on another point. Now he was popular until 15 years ago instead of 25? How often are you going to correct yourself?
[Edited 2/1/08 5:39am]
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Reply #36 posted 02/01/08 6:18am

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Rodya24 said:

tane1976 said:



His poularity died off after the first allegations of child abuse. The sales figures for History were only about 10 million and most of the purchasers wanted the greatest hits CD and the large illuatrated booklet. By this stage he had already proved he was barmy including a spooky mural of him surrounded by children of the world and a list thanking a man called Bruce Sweiden, who can only be descibed as his boy friend or boy procurer. Also the J Randy Taraborelli book claims employees at Neverland often found photos of Michael and Boys messing around and kept a stock of child pornography videos at the mansion and forced the children to watch it, while he got them drunk, drugged and played with their genitals.
Also 1997s Blood on the Dancefloor was a mega flop and the Invincible album was a joke selling less than 2 million copies worldwide. The gimmick of 5 different colored sleeves did not help. But even Dangerous sounded tired and I remeber that he released at least 7 singles off and they were sold in a Michael Jackson cassingle dispenser, the height of arrogance along with the giant statues floating down rivers in 1995.
Even if the album comes out, it would maybe sell one million if its lucky and Jackson owes Sony at least 300 million dollars


Wow. Where to begin?

First off, Bruce Swedien is a studio engineer. A close friend of both Quincy Jones and MJ.

As for the rest of the child molestation accusation, I am not going to address it because it is so preposterous (hint: you are getting your information from a book). If you are so concerned, report your concerns to the police.

As for the sales figures, wow. HIStory sold much more than 10 million. Blood on the Dancefloor is a remix album with only four to five new songs. It is the best-selling remix album so far. Second on that list if Madonna's You Can Dance.

As for Invincible, yes, it was his lowest-selling studio album. But it sold more than 2 million worldwide.

And owning SONY 300 million dollars? I suggest you read the Forbes and New York Times articles on MJ's finances instead of tabloid magazines and books.

And I noticed you did not respond to my correction of your post about the so-called two suspicious official tracklists. Hint: neither is official.

Also, I noticed that you corrected yourself on another point. Now he was popular until 15 years ago instead of 25? How often are you going to correct yourself?
[Edited 2/1/08 5:39am]



Do I care I am so over this you can live with your MJ fantasy, but I was a devoted MJ fan for years until this latest child (Chris Rock, 'another fuckin child, another one, thats like OJ with a new dead white woman on his doorstep lol .

Yes 10 million is impressive, but Dangerous sold 30 mil, Bad 50 mil and now I believe Thriller has sold 9 figures but at least 70 mil.

I am sorry, as I like his music of the past "Billie Jean, Beat it" have to be the two greatest number ones ever. I know my work stinks a bit of academic stupidity but its my key skills and the fact I havent been interested in Jacko since court.
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Reply #37 posted 02/01/08 6:21am

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Rodya24 said:

As for Invincible, yes, it was his lowest-selling studio album. But it sold more than 2 million worldwide.


It sold more than 2m in the US alone. lol World sales are around 9 or 10m.
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Reply #38 posted 02/01/08 6:23am

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I wonder if there will ever be a MJ thread that not a single troll will show up on. smile
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Reply #39 posted 02/01/08 6:24am

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I wonder if there will ever be a MJ thread that not a single troll will show up on. smile


Don't be a fucking idiot. smile
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Reply #40 posted 02/01/08 6:24am

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Cloudbuster said:

Don't be a fucking idiot. smile


smile
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Reply #41 posted 02/01/08 6:39am

SoulAlive

MJ fans...have these tracklists been posted on other fansites?
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Reply #42 posted 02/01/08 6:44am

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SoulAlive said:

MJ fans...have these tracklists been posted on other fansites?


Only by you.
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Reply #43 posted 02/01/08 7:12am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:

MJ fans...have these tracklists been posted on other fansites?


Only by you.


lol Seriously....are they being discussed? What are the fans saying?
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Reply #44 posted 02/01/08 7:16am

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SoulAlive said:

lol Seriously....are they being discussed? What are the fans saying?


lol

I've no idea, man. I only ever checked out one MJ site and that's now gone.
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Reply #45 posted 02/01/08 7:17am

RipHer2Shreds

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I wonder if there will ever be a MJ thread that not a single troll will show up on. smile

That's like hoping for a Janet thread without mention of Madonna.
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Reply #46 posted 02/01/08 7:19am

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RipHer2Shreds said:

That's like hoping for a Janet thread without mention of Madonna.


lol
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Reply #47 posted 02/01/08 7:53am

MikeMatronik

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This is the real tracklist, no joke...

TITLE: HIStory Book II
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
RELEASE DATE: May 20, 2008

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)
2. Say It Loud [feat. will.i.am] (Brown, Ellis)
3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)
4. Never Again (Jackson, Legend)
5. I'm Dreamin (Jackson, Adams)
6. The Pain (Jackson, Jerkins)
7. Pressure (Jackson, Jerkins)
8. Seduction (Jackson, Jerkins)
9. Do You Want Me? (Jackson, West)
10. You Are So Beautiful (Jackson)
11. I Have This Dream (Jackson, Bayer Sager)
12. Watch Over Me [feat. Prince, Paris and Blanket] (Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson II)
[Edited 1/31/08 2:00am]


I hope this is real. I like the tracklist.
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Reply #48 posted 02/01/08 9:13am

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Invincible did not sell 10 million copies. The most credible figure is 6 million. The album bombed in most territories, selling well in the first week then plummeting immediately afterwards.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #49 posted 02/01/08 9:52am

Rodya24

tane1976 said:

Rodya24 said:



Wow. Where to begin?

First off, Bruce Swedien is a studio engineer. A close friend of both Quincy Jones and MJ.

As for the rest of the child molestation accusation, I am not going to address it because it is so preposterous (hint: you are getting your information from a book). If you are so concerned, report your concerns to the police.

As for the sales figures, wow. HIStory sold much more than 10 million. Blood on the Dancefloor is a remix album with only four to five new songs. It is the best-selling remix album so far. Second on that list if Madonna's You Can Dance.

As for Invincible, yes, it was his lowest-selling studio album. But it sold more than 2 million worldwide.

And owning SONY 300 million dollars? I suggest you read the Forbes and New York Times articles on MJ's finances instead of tabloid magazines and books.

And I noticed you did not respond to my correction of your post about the so-called two suspicious official tracklists. Hint: neither is official.

Also, I noticed that you corrected yourself on another point. Now he was popular until 15 years ago instead of 25? How often are you going to correct yourself?
[Edited 2/1/08 5:39am]



Do I care I am so over this you can live with your MJ fantasy, but I was a devoted MJ fan for years until this latest child (Chris Rock, 'another fuckin child, another one, thats like OJ with a new dead white woman on his doorstep lol .

Yes 10 million is impressive, but Dangerous sold 30 mil, Bad 50 mil and now I believe Thriller has sold 9 figures but at least 70 mil.

I am sorry, as I like his music of the past "Billie Jean, Beat it" have to be the two greatest number ones ever. I know my work stinks a bit of academic stupidity but its my key skills and the fact I havent been interested in Jacko since court.


Who is the delusional one? I am delusional for thinking Invincible sold more than 2 million? For thinking that his remix album did not bomb? For thinking that Bruce Swedian was a terrific studio engineer and has never been accused in court of being a "boy procurer"? For thinking that you need to read credible news sources such as the New York Times which while has its faults is better than US Weekly?
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Reply #50 posted 02/01/08 10:18am

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A cover of JB's Say It Loud (I'm Black And I'm Proud) would SERIOUSLY piss some people off.

I hope it's true.
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Reply #51 posted 02/01/08 10:19am

Rodya24

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A cover of JB's Say It Loud (I'm Black And I'm Proud) would SERIOUSLY piss some people off.

I hope it's true.


Me too. Go ahead and sing it MJ!
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Reply #52 posted 02/01/08 10:21am

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Should be first single. What a great middle finger to his critics.
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Reply #53 posted 02/01/08 10:47am

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DarlingDiana said:[quote]

MattyJam said:


Well there's this fan in MJ parts who's been getting insider info on MJ for years. I got this emailed to me from him. This is the full email. It was sent to me after a lengthy MSN chat where he claimed to know the release date and track list of the new album.

Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth (Sony BMG, that is)...

TITLE: HIStory Book II
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
RELEASE DATE: May 20, 2008

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)
2. Say It Loud [feat. will.i.am] (Brown, Ellis)
3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)
4. Never Again (Jackson, Legend)
5. I'm Dreamin (Jackson, Adams)
6. The Pain (Jackson, Jerkins)
7. Pressure (Jackson, Jerkins)
8. Seduction (Jackson, Jerkins)
9. Do You Want Me? (Jackson, West)
10. You Are So Beautiful (Jackson)
11. I Have This Dream (Jackson, Bayer Sager)
12. Watch Over Me [feat. Prince, Paris and Blanket] (Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson II)

Sounds interesting, doesn't it? You'll notice some revamped Invincible out-takes with the help of Darkchild. It looks like the only brand new songs are the ones done with will.i.am, John Legend and Kanye West, although I've heard the title of the track supposedly co-written by West a few years ago. I think it's a revamped Invincible out-take too. The most interesting tracks are the last two. I'm not sure if "I Have This Dream" is the 1999 version of the 2005 Hurricane Katrina version. Also, "Watch Over Me" looks to be by far the most interesting song on the album. It looks likes it's credited to his children, as in they helped write it. Looks like they sing on it too. The fans are going to love that but the press will have a field day saying he's "exploiting" his children or some shit. Anyway, enjoy, and I don't care if you share it around, but don't expect many people to accept as genuine. But trust me it is.

P.S. Just like anything else, this tracklist is subject to change between now and May 20. Michael could change a lot of things from track titles to even the album title and release date. We've all experienced MJ pushing back release dates before. So don't be surprised if the real album is not 100% like what I've just emailed you.

Peace,

***** (didn't think it was right to post his name)

[Edited 1/31/08 4:54am]


How do you know he's trustworthy???
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Reply #54 posted 02/01/08 5:23pm

DANGEROUSx

DarlingDiana said:

This is the real tracklist, no joke...

TITLE: HIStory Book II
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
RELEASE DATE: May 20, 2008

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)
2. Say It Loud [feat. will.i.am] (Brown, Ellis)
3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)
4. Never Again (Jackson, Legend)
5. I'm Dreamin (Jackson, Adams)
6. The Pain (Jackson, Jerkins)
7. Pressure (Jackson, Jerkins)
8. Seduction (Jackson, Jerkins)
9. Do You Want Me? (Jackson, West)
10. You Are So Beautiful (Jackson)
11. I Have This Dream (Jackson, Bayer Sager)
12. Watch Over Me [feat. Prince, Paris and Blanket] (Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson II)
[Edited 1/31/08 2:00am]


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Reply #55 posted 02/01/08 5:39pm

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midnightmover said:

Invincible did not sell 10 million copies. The most credible figure is 6 million. The album bombed in most territories, selling well in the first week then plummeting immediately afterwards.


The most credible figure is 6 million? Please. Where exactly are you pulling these numbers from exactly? Anyway, I don't believe the 10 million figure either but I believe it's sold more than 6 million. I've read in several places that it sold around 8 million.
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Reply #56 posted 02/01/08 5:46pm

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DarlingDiana said:

This is the real tracklist, no joke...

TITLE: HIStory Book II
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
RELEASE DATE: May 20, 2008

1. The Future (Jackson, Adams)
2. Say It Loud [feat. will.i.am] (Brown, Ellis)
3. B Me 4 a Day (Jackson)
4. Never Again (Jackson, Legend)
5. I'm Dreamin (Jackson, Adams)
6. The Pain (Jackson, Jerkins)
7. Pressure (Jackson, Jerkins)
8. Seduction (Jackson, Jerkins)
9. Do You Want Me? (Jackson, West)
10. You Are So Beautiful (Jackson)
11. I Have This Dream (Jackson, Bayer Sager)
12. Watch Over Me [feat. Prince, Paris and Blanket] (Michael Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson, Prince Michael Jackson II)
[Edited 1/31/08 2:00am]


I saw this at a fansite a few months ago and I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. This "tracklist" is complete BS.
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Reply #57 posted 02/01/08 5:47pm

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DarlingDiana said:

seeingvoices12 said:



LOL..Nice try lol , Tell the insider to stop putting title of unreleased Mj songs to make a a decent tracklist. lol
It's not the first time MJ has rehashed old songs. The only old songs are B Me 4 a Day (which isn't that old, was written in about 2005 or something), The Pain, Pressure, Seduction (all 3 from the Vince sessions), You Are So Beautiful (also from 2005, not that old) and I Have This Dream (in the works since 1999). I think this tracklist looks legit. I also trust the person who sent it to me.


I know that Mj sometimes takes songs from his vault and re-hash them and update them, but this tracklist doesn't look real at all, and time will tell and you will find out that Im right ...

I see the song "DO You want me " Is written by MJ and west with In fact its written by MJ and sisqo "Dru hill" ...

Again. This is a fake tracklist.
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Reply #58 posted 02/01/08 7:59pm

DarlingDiana

MattyJam said:

How do you know he's trustworthy???

I don't want to give out the name of the person until I get a chance to ask them if they will allow their name to be attributed to that track list. But lets just say we found out a lot things about Invincible months and months ahead of time because of this guy who sent me that tracklist.
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Reply #59 posted 02/02/08 5:18am

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Cinnamon234 said:

midnightmover said:

Invincible did not sell 10 million copies. The most credible figure is 6 million. The album bombed in most territories, selling well in the first week then plummeting immediately afterwards.


The most credible figure is 6 million? Please. Where exactly are you pulling these numbers from exactly? Anyway, I don't believe the 10 million figure either but I believe it's sold more than 6 million. I've read in several places that it sold around 8 million.


It had sold 5.4m by the end of 2001. Following the Martin Bashir documentary in 2003 sales picked up again in many countries (along with his other albums) and by the end of 2005 it had sold 8.5m. Another few hundred thousand sales in the last couple of years is not unreasonable considering he has one of the most successful back catalogues along with The Beatles and Led Zeppelin. This guy still shifts thousands of albums worldwide every month.
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