Because i always felt it was my job to push what i believed in and not what was being dictated to people.

sosgemini said:

I wouldn't really call it a failure. The girl sold 7 million albums in the past four or five years.

in america, and with the soul/r&b audience in particular. you see, to me she comes off as a variation of a vanilla ice...the style just doesn't come off natural imho. btw: i don't mean to knock on her because your working with her...i've held the opinion for age and have repeatedly voiced my thoughts on her here on the org...and i still think its cool your working with her. more power to you i say.

when is she going to fad away from the music scene... I give her another 3 years just to be nice... because if she doesnt get out in three.. she won't have a voice to sing or speak... the way she strains her vocals her singing sounds painful.. and it gives me a sore throat

TotalAlisa said:

At least Joss and others strain their vocals instead of lip-syncing through them. I'm not a big fan of Joss's, but I'd rather listen to a real singer strain their vocals then some of the fake-ass shit that some people seem to love. Give me a real musican anyday even if they sing out of tune.

TotalAlisa said:

At least Joss and others strain their vocals instead of lip-syncing through them. I'm not a big fan of Joss's, but I'd rather listen to a real singer strain their vocals then some of the fake-ass shit that some people seem to love. Give me a real musican anyday even if they sing out of tune.

Empress said:

thats just as fake.. because if you have it you don't have to force it out.. and hurt yourself doing it... and the lip syncers you are talking about most likely are performers... how can you dance and sing at the same time... I tried it before and you lose your breath and your vocals do not sound good..

how can you dance and sing at the same time... I tried it before and you lose your breath and your vocals do not sound good..

TotalAlisa said:

So I guess you have the expertise on this matter and James Brown, Jackie Wilson, The Temptations, The Dramatics, etc are all just performers and not singers?

MrSoulpower said:

they were NOT doing aerobic dances like paula or britney.. and JAMES BROWN IS not a singer nor a dancer... all he does is yell and screech into the mic.. and do his lil chicken leg being shot at by a be-be gun dance...

TotalAlisa said:

Pathetic. Go back to listening to Paula Abdul. She's really great and so talented

TotalAlisa said:

Pathetic. Go back to listening to Paula Abdul. She's really great and so talented

MrSoulpower said:

they were NOT doing aerobic dances like paula or britney.. and JAMES BROWN IS not a singer nor a dancer... all he does is yell and screech into the mic.. and do his lil chicken leg being shot at by a be-be gun dance...

lastdecember said:

Exactly. I've got kids. When they are my age, I want them to be able to say that their dad made some cool music and worked for something he believed in. There's a small chance of becoming rich when you don't compromize, but you can make a decent living of making quality music that's timeless.

I agree totally thats what its about in the end. I worked around music and artists for so long, and on my own am in the filmmaking field, doing indie projects, things that i beleive in, and when i work on each thing with new actors/actresses, i ask them one simple question "why are you doing this?" and anyone who answers to become famous or make it rich, i tell them "well you better quit now" because that isnt what its about.

TotalAlisa said:

I think I now have to disagree with sosgemini, not all people should be allowed freely to speak about music.

Seriously .. you think that the Temptations and Jackie Wilson have never done what you'd call aerobic dances? Where do you think the younger artists got their moves from?

And James Brown couldn't dance and sing? It obviously slipped by you that your are dissing the most influential artist of the 20th century who has schooled not only Prince but Michael Jackson as well?

Nevermind. I think I've read some of your posts before. No reason to debate here.

don't try to make fun cause im young... i don't know to much about james brown only from what my mom showed me.. and she grew up listening to james brown.. and these are her words "james brown could NOT sing but he knew how to make good music and perform"... she says that all the time.. and james brown NEVER sang a note... he yelled,hollered and screeched over his songs....

I am not trying to make fun of you because you are young. Where did you get that from? In fact, I am not making fun of you, period. I am pointing out your ignorance on specific musical matters. James Brown did certainly not have a beautiful voice. It was raspy and raw. But he was an amazing singer, especially in the years between 1956 and 1968. Did you ever hear "Prisoner of love", "Sometime", "If I ruled the world"? I bet not. You may have heard "It's a man's man's world". There are dozens of more similar tunes, and they all show that Brown was a master Soul vocalist. After that period, his music became more and more rhythmic, and so did his singing. That's when he mostly shouted and screamed, but he still did a lot of harmonic singing.

this is one of her favorite songs and her favorite performance... now you canNOT tell me this is singing or real aerobic dancing like miss paula abdul

That performance was "Say it loud "I'm black and I'm proud", which technically was one of the first rap songs. He wasn't singing in this song at all, he was actually rappin'. And this footage happens to be a TV show appearance. You don't even see the band. There was no real dancing on this show. If you really are interested in learning about JB's dancing skills, go on YouTube and google clips from the T.A.M.I. show, Live at the Olympia 1966, 1967 or 1971 or his Soultrain appearances. James Brown was a master dancer who has influenced generations of dancers to come (including your boy Michael Jackson), he created break dance and his dancing moves are basically the foundation of modern dance in most pop videos.

and from the footage i have seen from the tempations they have NEVER performed or danced like paula... they may have clapped their hands, did spin, leg slip, and a shimmy.. but that is nothing like paula choreograph moves...

paula did NOT get her moves from the temptations.. some or her moves are cheerleader moves...

Neither the Temptations nor James Brown are Paula Abdul. And I never claimed that Paul got her moves from them. My point is that Brown, the Temptations and many more artists from that era laid the foundation for the dances you see on TV today. You gotta give credit where credit is due ... and you seem unwilling to do so.

But we should not hijack this thread which is about Joss Stone.

paula did NOT get her moves from the temptations.. some or her moves are cheerleader moves...

I have no idea what you all are even talking about at this point, so here's a picture of a bunny in a sweater

I have no idea what you all are even talking about at this point, so here's a picture of a bunny in a sweater

I just recently read on some magazine that Joss Stone fired four of her managers in the past five years.Which led on of her managers to speak out about her and say her diva like attitude may derail her career

Article:
She's only 20 but Joss Stone has already had four managers and said this week that she 'hates them all'.

Now The Mail on Sunday has tracked down two former aides thrust aside by the young star after furious clashes and they warn that her diva-like behaviour could derail her career.

At first glance, it might seem like the easiest task in showbusiness: take a beautiful, charismatic teenager with the extraordinary voice of a 40-year-old delta blues diva and turn her into a superstar.

Yet despite the efforts of some of the world's top music managers, Joss Stone is still struggling to find the same level of success abroad as she enjoys in Britain.

For her, the reason is simple. With the supreme confidence engendered by youth and success, she vowed last week: "I'm never having a manager ever again. I've had four in the past five years and I hate them all."

But two of those discarded aides have spoken exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, and they paint a portrait of an ingenue whose self-belief may yet prove misplaced.

Alex Cole is a leading Hollywood business manager and Ron Stone – no relation to the star has worked with legends including Bob Dylan, The Eagles and Joni Mitchell.

Both men claim Joss is naive, unwilling to take advice, surrounded by sycophants and heading for disaster if she does not begin listening.

"She's making a lot of wrong decisions at the moment," says Stone from his offices in Studio City, California.

"If she's not careful she could derail her career. Joss wants to manage herself but you have to consider her lack of understanding of the challenges in front of her. There's no way she can make the sophisticated choices demanded because her life experience is so very limited.

However, Stone says that Joss is fixated on becoming a commercial success rather than building a long-term career. "She needed to sell records to persuade people to see her perform but the real money is in concerts, not in record sales. That's why the long-lasting artists the Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, Bruce Springsteen love to tour. Joss thought success was measured only in selling records and her parents thought the same. I was a lone voice in the wilderness. I was thinking long-term for her everyone else was looking at the short term."

'On her last concert tour, she played Los Angeles twice in a few months. The second time more than 1,000 seats were empty. That was a serious mistake because you always want your audience and promoters wanting more, scrambling to buy tickets when you next come to town.

*She has even fired soul legend Betty Wright who guided her through the very beginning of her career.
[Edited 1/19/08 8:40am]
[Edited 1/20/08 12:27pm]

MrSoulpower said:

cool for you...but i still can't stand the poser.

TotalAlisa said:

At least Joss and others strain their vocals instead of lip-syncing through them. I'm not a big fan of Joss's, but I'd rather listen to a real singer strain their vocals then some of the fake-ass shit that some people seem to love. Give me a real musican anyday even if they sing out of tune.

sosgemini said:

I wouldn't really call it a failure. The girl sold 7 million albums in the past four or five years.

Why I respect her? I don't care if she's posing. Even James Brown was a poser. I respect her because at 21 years old, she got her shit together. She's an independent artist who in spite of her young age knows what she wants and she does not need a manager to run her business. And yes, she can sing, at least she did sing well the one time I heard her.

I still don't know if this collaboration will be what I am hoping for. There's no way I can know that now. And maybe six months from now, I'll be here telling you "you were right, sos". But until I find out for myself, everything else is just speculation and premature judgement.

TotalAlisa said: