as much as I like the neptunes and timbaland's beats, I have a feeling that I'll agree with him when the album comes out. Don't get me wrong, I love madonna, but it's going to be hard for her to outdo confessions, which I could play start to finish.

yeah,he seems really bitter.I read some other comments by him from a few months ago,and it seems that he was "pushed" out of this project.Can't blame him for being pissed,but hey,life goes on...

alphastreet said:

'Confessions' is a hard act to follow.I love that album.

How is he dissing Madonna? His comments are directed mostly at Pharrell.

SoulAlive said:

it's true.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Please don't disrupt my glorious anti-madonna thread!

MikeMatronik said:

But as much as I like that album,I never expect Madonna to repeat herself.I'm not the least bit surprised that she ditched Stuart and brought in Timbaland and Pharrell for the new album.She gets bored really fast....she wants to try some new beats.

SoulAlive said:

no....she wants black cock...simple as that!

maybe she could have done one more dance album with him and then moved on to timmy and pharret-face

MikeMatronik said:

stic..stic...stic...stic...sticky and sweet

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:

Months ago,I suggested that she should do a 2-CD set.This is her final Warner Bros. album.She's celebrating her 25th year in the biz,and her 50th birthday.Why not mark the occasion with a joyous,2-CD album? The first disc could be the commercial Timbaland and Pharrell stuff,then she could stretch out on the second disc with Stuart Price's more experimental,dance/electronica stuff.

SoulAlive said:

That would not be very commercial. Madonna's goal is to the number 1 bitch on the charts.

SoulAlive said:

But did he say anything different than what you guys been talkin' about since that "Candy Man" song or whateva its titled?

Seems to me that he was being honest about it. The part where he said that she chooses "obscure producers", thats what I respect about her. She's not afraid to go left.

Speaking of left, what happend between her and William Orbit?
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Harlepolis said:

Basically,he's been complaining about Madonna doing R&B.He doesn't think it's the right sound for her.Apparently,at an early stage,Stuart was gonna play a major role in the new album.After Timbaland produced a whopping ten tracks,it became clear that Madonna liked what she heard.She wanted to go completely R&B.Stuart was kinda pushed out of the project.If he comes across as kinda bitter,I can't blame him.

As for William Orbit....she simply moved on.He produced three songs on 'Music' and they never really worked again.That's how Madonna operates.She never sticks with the same producer for very long.I guess Stuart didn't get the memo,lol.

He aint dissing Madonna - just saying he thinks shes gone in the wrong direction. I dont agree - she's had his sound in some capacity since the Drowned World tour - he's stayed with her longer than most, so its time for her to move on.

I cant believe people doubt her choices anymore. Album after album, starting right back on the Like A Virgin album where she insisted Warners get Nile Rodgers for her, she makes a decision to move on from her current sound, people call her crazy to keep breaking a winning forumla, but its what keeps her interested, and also what keeps the public interested in her. The only album that really bucks the trend is American Life which sounds too similar to Music - and thats her least commercially successful record, in spite of what people may think of it artistically.

I agree with his comments on Pharrell reproducing the same sounds but, as long as i have some killer Timbaland songs on there Ill be happy. the snippet of 4 Minutes to save The world sounds really promising - I cant wait for it to drop.

Also anyone else think Sturat is inferring that he's still on board - maybe touring wise at least? That comment about being around before & after his producing success. I hope he sticks round in some capacity as he's a musically intelligent guy. Id rather she dropped Jamie King than Stuart.

CrozzaUK said:


She never makes the same album twice.Notice that whenever she has a really successful album,she always tries a different approach on the next album ('Im Breathless' after 'LAP'....'Ray Of Light' after 'Bedtime Stories' and so on).This has been a winning strategy for her from day one.



The funny thing is,I've heard many fans say the same exact thing about Stuart,lol.




Somehow,I don't think he's no longer involved with the Madonna camp anymore.She needs to put together a brand new band anyway.

Them grapes are sooooouuuuur.
What a chump.

How can you say Timbaland is great but Pharrell is weak?

That doesn't make sense

SoulAlive said:

Hell yeah. Im sooo over her current band - i was never that into them. She needs a band capable of more percussive stuff. As timbalands on board producing, it'll be all beats, so she'll at least need a percussion player as she used to have, to recerate the sound live. Unless of course she opts for the cheap option and just has it all programmed in. I'd still take Stuart as a music director as i like some of his reworkings of songs, but with a more talented band, and for gods sake get a bass player. Its disgraceful to go on the road without a dedicated bass player.

bboy87 said:

Since both emerged they've both done excellent stuff - but Timbaland has developed around 3 distinctive sounds / styles over the years. the stuff he and missy came out with in 97, the stuff he did solo & with missy 2001-2004, and the stuff he developed for the Timberlake / nelly furtado projects.

I really like some Pharrel stuff, mainly what he was doing with Neptunes & Kellis in the early 00's, and then with Britney & Justin, but that was 5+ years ago.

I say Timbaland is great because, plagiarism suits aside, he's produced some amazing music consistently for a decade now.

CrozzaUK said:

I can't stand Timbaland almost as much as R.Kelly.

But I'm biased because I'm a Pharrell/Neptune fan

I smell pre-release publicity, the musical equivalent to premature ejaculation.

On the other hand, what I've heard from the record doesn't sound terribly impressive and already outdated. That's what happens when you work with producers who have already seen their peak and are now recycling their sound.

SoulAlive said:

I don't think she ever has that much material to cull from...er good material that is.

He ain't hatin' on Madonna but he don't like that he chose wack-ass Timbaland over him, lol. I'd be pissed too. Go 'head, Stuart.

as long as we get a new band.

I don't know if R&B is the right direction for Madonna or not. But I don't think it would be a good idea for her to do another dance/electronic album in the vein of Confessions, even though I love that album. What I love about Madonna's music is it is very eclectic, I wouldn't want her to get stuck in just doing dance music like Kylie or someone.
I'm a huge Madonna fan, but I would be very bored and unhappy with another dance album. That would not excite me in the least. I think she took the whole dancefloor thing as far as she could on Confessions. So she's right to try something different.

I agree with the people who say her band is very weak. There's far too much programming for my taste. I like more live instrumentation and people who can actually play beats live. I guess she focuses more on her singing and the choreography, but the band she has had is the weak point of her shows. As a perfectionist, you would think that is something she would want to address.
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Harlepolis said:

William Orbit is still doing Trance.

Glindathegood said:

Madonna's best band was the Girlie Show Band.Those guys could PLAY!