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Printable lastdecember said: Byron said: Um, ok then lol... I guess when you said "Pathetically and desperately seeking to appease someone who doesn't even know you exist and doesn't care is worthy of a sit down on "the couch" with a professional of the psychiatric sort." was a non-nasty and non-cynical urban colloquialism, too... 
And btw, it was not Prince's "glitz and glam that he does so well that is a large part of what has acquired him so many fans over the years." The glitz and glam may draw attention, but it doesn't keep people on as fans for decades. It's the music, pure and simple. A lot of people became fans of Prince's music almost immediately upon hearing it on the radio or from a friend, without ever having seen the guy, seen his videos or seen him in concert. I played Controversy and 1999 for many friends back when both came out, and none of them even knew he was black, none the less wore bikini briefs and leg warmers or licked his guitar during a solo. They became instant fans nonetheless. They didn't need to see "glitz and glamour" to want to hear more. In fact it was the desire to hear more and experience more that lead them to the glitz and glamour of Prince, not the other way around. The funny thing is i often hear people talk about Prince as if they know this guy. They'll say he's this or that, and its never right. Prince seems to be someoone that you may think you have pegged but than he will do something you never thought he would do. When Planet Earth came out and hit its peak week 1 and then was falling, people were talking about him not selling and crap like that, and as i pointed out then, Prince has only had a handful of what people might call "big sellers", Prince's first 5 albums all benefited from sales from people who were curious about him after Purple Rain came out, people were going back and getting into him at that point for the most part, as proven all his certifications on those albums came after Purple Rain. I remember in the mid 90's when prince was going against WB, and no one was coming to his defense, not one artist ever rallied behind him, until years later when people jumped on his bandwagon with label fights and ownership issues. I also remember during this time talking to someone in Chicago who was talking to alot of people in Prince's circle at the time, and him telling me, that people were confused about where he was going, and what he wanted to do, some said he wanted a commercial spotlight, others said it was last thing on his mind. I think to Prince IMO he tends to use the spotlight as his way to change things, as i said before Prince made the mainstream, it didnt make him. Meaning that he didnt jump on something that sounded a certain way to sell, to cash in on it, he more or less created something that wasnt out there, and sorry for those who think differently, but in the 80's, the whole idea was to be different, that was the challenge, this would also be the reason why Van Hunt speaks of RB radio being "invisible" mainly because of the lack of trying to be different as opposed to just cashing in. Good points ... | |
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NDRU said: wow, with a rant that unfocused and angry, VH could make a great orger!
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What he says about Prince not being a great songwriter is completely ludicrous. His response 2 Rhonda was almost as ludicrous... He based what he said on knowing Prince and people who have worked with him???
Songwriting is a creative process, often done alone in Prince's case. There just simply is no way 2 discount Prince's songwriting, which, like his arranging, is evidenced throughout his career. He is a true songwriter... He most often writes songs with just a guitar or a piano, and then fleshes out the arrangement, in a most remarkable way. Also, this is a guy who has the arrangement in his head, while sitting at the drum kit, laying the drums down first, and knowing where every flam, fill, and accent should go. There R far 2 many examples of Prince's songwriting 4 me 2 list. It may the diversity of his songwriting that has Van Hunt confused and mistaken. No diss on Van Hunt. I respect and dig him, but this was foul and inaccurate. Peace. ~G "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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NDRU said: wow, with a rant that unfocused and angry, VH could make a great orger! Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight.
BTW, Byron, Thanks for making so much sense. I like Van, but what he did was wrong. Even if the things he posted were true, it would still be wrong...disrespectful. If Prince slammed him first...then I could see the justification. Anyone that defends Van's actions are just as wrong as those that defend all of Prince's, because Van was clearly out of line. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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Byron said: BlaqueKnight said: Actually, "fantbot zealots" should only apply to you if you ARE ONE. "You bitches" was intended as a casual urban colloqualism. And, opinions don't require qualification, Byron. Again, refer to my point about "ranking systems". Peace. Um, ok then lol... I guess when you said "Pathetically and desperately seeking to appease someone who doesn't even know you exist and doesn't care is worthy of a sit down on "the couch" with a professional of the psychiatric sort." was a non-nasty and non-cynical urban colloquialism, too...
"I guess" sounds like you're not clear as to what I meant. Oh well. If you're not one, then it obviously doesn't apply to you; if it does...well then, there you go. And btw, it was not Prince's "glitz and glam that he does so well that is a large part of what has acquired him so many fans over the years." The glitz and glam may draw attention, but it doesn't keep people on as fans for decades. It's the music, pure and simple. A lot of people became fans of Prince's music almost immediately upon hearing it on the radio or from a friend, without ever having seen the guy, seen his videos or seen him in concert. I played Controversy and 1999 for many friends back when both came out, and none of them even knew he was black, none the less wore bikini briefs and leg warmers or licked his guitar during a solo. They became instant fans nonetheless. They didn't need to see "glitz and glamour" to want to hear more. In fact it was the desire to hear more and experience more that lead them to the glitz and glamour of Prince, not the other way around.[/quote] I disagree. In the pop world, music is rarely enough. The combination of his music mixed with his outrageousness and coupled with him being a "pretty boy" garnered him more attention than many others. You can site all of your individual experiences and I can site some where people got curious about him after seeing him in a video, on an awards show, a poster, etc. I know people that hated much of his earlier music and thought he was gay and had no interest in him. So what? Again, dude made an EFFORT to gain attention and there's no denying that. Even Andre Cymone said in an interview that he wore the bikini briefs first on a gig, Prince told him not to and then turned around and did it himself. That is making an effort. Believe what you want. laurarichardson said:[quote]Sorry but, Van’s response was arrogant and childish. He is not even attacking the fans he is attacking Prince. I am sorry you got to log some miles before you can knock Prince and Van has not logged enough miles and no I do not think P is the greatest song writer on the earth I just don’t think Van is either. He also started bringing up all these other artist WTF!!!! Again, refer to my point about "ranking systems". Art is art. Once you make it, some will love it and some will hate it. His point about some of the other artists was that he aspires to be more than just some dude that put out a CD or three. He aspires to be someone iconic that will be talked about long after death. I guess Prince is the only one who has earned the right to be childish and arrogant? People vent and respond when they are attacked. To expect otherwise is ridiculous. If they don't then they are called weak. Its a lose/lose situation. Some prefer to go down swinging. Many of his younger fans cherish Van Hunt's music more than Prince's. D'Angelo changed the face of R&B with one CD. You never know what's possible until you aspire. You can't blame the man for that. | |
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anon said: NDRU said: wow, with a rant that unfocused and angry, VH could make a great orger! Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight. That's a new one. So I'm Van Hunt, now? You muthas crack me up. Like I said, the org is entertaining if nothing else. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: anon said: Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight.
That's a new one. So I'm Van Hunt, now? You muthas crack me up. Like I said, the org is entertaining if nothing else. Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify | |
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utopia7 said: it’s none of your business what other people say about you...
Category: Blogging taken from: http://blog.myspace.com/i...=347018692 but, I have read my own press. Not all of it. Just enough to not be able to turn back. it's gone to my head. I can remember once going on okayplayer-trying for the 15th time to find some new info on D'angelo's still nascent record-and "stumbled" across a thread about the Prince comparisons that have been made about ME... some of the comments on there were downright destructive. I never even imagined that you could mix the words "p**ssy" and "musician" while stating an opinion:) Some were supportive. Even fewer were constructive or managed to put forth what I would deem accurate analysis. It all made me sick. Because I knew that NOBODY really knew what the f*ck they were talking about. I am neither as perfect as the best that has been said about me nor as mediocre as the worst that's been said. It's ironic. Just two nights ago an associate called and asked if HE should go on line and address some "false accusations" that were made about HIM. I told him, "hell naw. Don't even give those fools any energy. That's what they live for...to dismantle people and overcompensate for their personal problems...all from behind a computer screen." And, alas, here I am. Last night I was on the computer with my son. He likes to look up biographical information on the 43 presidents. (And to think, at 5 years old, all I wanted to do was the 'robot'). After he'd his fill he asked if I would google "Van Hunt's Son." I pondered his reasoning and the potential for damage that I was ignoring. I was reluctant when I said, ". . .o. . .k..." I pressed enter. and right there, at the top of the page was a heading, "Van Hunt is Prince's Son." This time it was Prince.org. "Oh, Jesus" I whispered. I had to have it. Double Click. I read the first line, "there aint sh*t about Van Hunt that's genius." Or something to that effect. My son reads almost as fast as i do. But, I caught him before he got to the curse words. I said "go play." He started to challenge the order. I put on my transformer face. He found a toy. I read on. Of course, everyone on the thread was a Prince fan. But, to my surprise, this time I emerged from the comments without any long-term scarring. Some people didn't know enough about me to form an opinion. Some people knew enough to be enthusiastically supportive and encouraging of my work. Some were, obviously, musically inclined on top of being Prince fans. Some didn't give a damn. The debate seemed to be fueled by the bodyguarding of Prince's legacy and about the question of whether or not I was a good musician. They mentioned other musicians who would supposedly wipe the floor with me (even 10 year old musicians). What they don't realize is that I've played guitar with, for and beside most of their heroes. And, I doubt that any of those musicians would say that I couldn't hold my own. What they don't know is that guitar isn't even my first instrument. Piano is. What they don't know is I never set out to make improvisational solo records. I fast forward through Prince's guitar solos. As a matter of fact I would be more likely to listen to Thelonious Monk play one of his tinkly excursions than I would Art Tatum. Charlie Parker could MAKE you hear modal scales in fourths-using major minor 11ths and do it before you notice that Mccoy Tyner or Oscar Peterson didn't even have his hands on the keys. but, i put my money on Johnny Hodges. slow notes by the most beautiful horn tone in the business. Ask me who's the better singer, Sam Cooke or Muddy Waters, and I'll say, obviously, Sam Cooke. But, ask me who I prefer to listen to and, well... Muddy is my man! And, if u listened to Sly's 'there's a riot goin on' you would not walk away from that record claiming that George Benson or Herbie Hancock need be worried about claims on their Godliness. But, it's MY favorite record. What they don't know is that 'their man', while he is an incredible talent and entertainer, he willed his biggest hits into being. Because he HAD to be a star. He no longer writes great songs because being a great songwriter was never his goal. Being relevant was/is. What they don't know is that Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Duke Ellington...THOSE are great songwriters. They wrote hundreds of them- consistently. Nary a dud in their entire career. What they don't know is that Michelangelo was an artist. Marlon Brando was an artiste (emphasis on the 'iste'). Each more naturally skillful than any of the people I've mentioned. Ayn Rand, Tennessee Williams... craftsmen. Read 'Fountainhead' or watch 'Night of The Iguana'. the work is more fine tuned and sharp and sophisticated than any of the people I've mentioned. They don't know that these are the benchmarks for me. Not their obsolete little argument over who has the best album of the last 20 years that was played on the now invisible and inaudible "black radio." What they can't comprehend is the lengths I have gone to create what is my highest ideal...for their world to sneer at...and that it is quietly reaching critical immunity because of the dues that i have paid. So, kiss my a** while you decide if i'm worth your respect. it shouldn't matter to me; and, i am glad to say that it doesn't anymore. and, i will tell my child the same thing the next time he asks me to google Van Hunt's son: it's none of your business what people say about you 
details on my future coming tuesday. V H . Wow! Glad I've been on the Van Hunt train Love love LOVE him  Love that he doesn't shy away from speaking his mind  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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anon said: NDRU said: wow, with a rant that unfocused and angry, VH could make a great orger! Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight.
BTW, Byron, Thanks for making so much sense. I like Van, but what he did was wrong. Even if the things he posted were true, it would still be wrong...disrespectful. If Prince slammed him first...then I could see the justification. Anyone that defends Van's actions are just as wrong as those that defend all of Prince's, because Van was clearly out of line. Yeah it's silly. I can see him defending himself against people who say he's shit, but why pick on Prince? What does that accomplish to put down an acknowledged legend whether we overly revere him or not? And to bring Ayn Rand into the conversation is just confusing. So is a craftsman a great artist? Are she & Tennessee Williams better than any of the people mentioned like Neil Young, Brando, & Michelangelo (who we don't know is an artist)? 
I don't really even understand what he's getting at, except he feels insulted and superior. My Legacy
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Riiight.
I bet they jam ALL THE TIME. They probably go shopping together and then go home and watch movies, talk about boys, and compare titties. Miss Hunt needs to spend less time on myspace and more time jamming, recording, and doing gigs. Then maybe SHE'd have something decent to offer.
you crazy as catshit. I'm in the library fighting tears and trying not to laugh. That's one thing I like about Prince. We can say whatever we want to about him on here. He does not give a fuck, but instead of responding, he'd try to shut shit DOWN. Van Helsing needs to have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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BlaqueKnight said: I disagree. In the pop world, music is rarely enough. The combination of his music mixed with his outrageousness and coupled with him being a "pretty boy" garnered him more attention than many others. You can site all of your individual experiences and I can site some where people got curious about him after seeing him in a video, on an awards show, a poster, etc. I know people that hated much of his earlier music and thought he was gay and had no interest in him. So what? Again, dude made an EFFORT to gain attention and there's no denying that. Even Andre Cymone said in an interview that he wore the bikini briefs first on a gig, Prince told him not to and then turned around and did it himself. That is making an effort. Believe what you want. Ok, you just proved my point lol... You first said that the "glitz and glamour" was "a large part of what has acquired him so many fans over the years". I said the "glitz and glam" may help garner attention, but it's the songwriting, singing and musical skills that made people fans. You just spent your post saying the following: "...his outrageousness...coupled with him being a "pretty boy" garnered him more attention than many others..." "...people got curious about him after seeing him in a video, on an awards show, a poster, etc."... "Again, dude made an EFFORT to gain attention and there's no denying that." All you talked about was how the "glitz and glamour" was a way of gaining attention...which is what I said to begin with. But hundreds if not thousands of performers have used glitz and glamour to garner attention, yet only an extreme few go on to have the type of fan base that Prince has had for 25+ years. What KEPT people as Prince fans for more than a few months was the power of the music, and that alone...which you still haven't proven otherwise. | |
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NDRU said: anon said: Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight.
BTW, Byron, Thanks for making so much sense. I like Van, but what he did was wrong. Even if the things he posted were true, it would still be wrong...disrespectful. If Prince slammed him first...then I could see the justification. Anyone that defends Van's actions are just as wrong as those that defend all of Prince's, because Van was clearly out of line. Yeah it's silly. I can see him defending himself against people who say he's shit, but why pick on Prince? What does that accomplish to put down an acknowledged legend whether we overly revere him or not? And to bring Ayn Rand into the conversation is just confusing. So is a craftsman a great artist? Are she & Tennessee Williams better than any of the people mentioned like Neil Young, Brando, & Michelangelo (who we don't know is an artist)?
I don't really even understand what he's getting at, except he feels insulted and superior. For Van Hunt to bring Ayn Rand into the dialog was asinine lol ...He was definitely feeling superior when he dropped her name, telling us to "read 'Fountainhead'", as if none of us have.
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NDRU said: anon said: Right. My guess is that he must be BlaqueKnight.
BTW, Byron, Thanks for making so much sense. I like Van, but what he did was wrong. Even if the things he posted were true, it would still be wrong...disrespectful. If Prince slammed him first...then I could see the justification. Anyone that defends Van's actions are just as wrong as those that defend all of Prince's, because Van was clearly out of line. Yeah it's silly. I can see him defending himself against people who say he's shit, but why pick on Prince? What does that accomplish to put down an acknowledged legend whether we overly revere him or not? And to bring Ayn Rand into the conversation is just confusing. So is a craftsman a great artist? Are she & Tennessee Williams better than any of the people mentioned like Neil Young, Brando, & Michelangelo (who we don't know is an artist)?
I don't really even understand what he's getting at, except he feels insulted and superior. [b] He didn't "pick on Prince", he humanized him. To idolworshippers, that is insulting. To normal people, its understanding. | |
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Byron said:[quote] BlaqueKnight said: ..which you still haven't proven otherwise. I'm not trying to - YOU think I am. That is YOUR interpretation. You took one thing I said out of context, made it your focus point and expect me to defend it - out of context? Now THAT is asinine. Believe what you want. I didn't studder. Van Hunt is trying to build something musically. Prince has done that already. Present day generations ain't checking for Prince that much. Somebody has to appeal to the future artists. And for the record, dude is not "out of line" for venting on his own MySpace page in his own blog. Get real. [Edited 1/14/08 11:58am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: NDRU said: Yeah it's silly. I can see him defending himself against people who say he's shit, but why pick on Prince? What does that accomplish to put down an acknowledged legend whether we overly revere him or not? And to bring Ayn Rand into the conversation is just confusing. So is a craftsman a great artist? Are she & Tennessee Williams better than any of the people mentioned like Neil Young, Brando, & Michelangelo (who we don't know is an artist)?
I don't really even understand what he's getting at, except he feels insulted and superior. [b] He didn't "pick on Prince", he humanized him. To idolworshippers, that is insulting. To normal people, its understanding.True he didn't trash Prince, exactly, (and I don't even mind if someone does BTW) but he does take a couple shots, which seem at odds with his problem of being criticized himself. I guess what I read was him placing himself higher than Prince in terms of craftmanship & songwriting (to the point of "critical immunity" obviously not true, as evidenced by this whole thread!!). Like he's Michaelangelo, and Prince is just strongwilled
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CalhounSq said: Byron said: heh heh... 
Btw, you fucked up like three times on your post lol ...I had to wait until you were thru before I could respond lol  ... STFU!!!!! COLD!!CalhounSq: You do realize that you're going to have to put a banana-dance in every one of your posts now, right?
Either that or put it in your signature.  "For those who know the number and don't call...Fuck all y'all" | |
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Well this where everyones comparisons fall short, with every artist. Whether its Alicia Keys to Stevie Wonder or Lenny Kravitz to whomever and any other countless comparison, and yes even the age old Prince to Jimi Hendrix. You cant take artists from different decades and compare just like you cant compare Prince at 50 to Prince at 20 or 30, nor do any of us know what they think inside, despite knowing people who know him or even talk to him, you still dont know, also Prince has NO people around him now that were around him 30 years ago. The funny thing is that if someone like Alicia Keys would have made a similar statement about someone like Prince or Stevie, we would trash her nonstop. But Van's statement is nothing new that i have heard about any artist that has existed a period of time, i have heard the same arguments about every artist that has been prolific in the last 3 decades, arguments like "McCartney has done a good album since the 70's" or "Elton John did all bad albums in the 80s" or "Stevie Wonder lost it in the 80's" etc etc... So Van's statement is nothing more than his view of someone and he is pointing out how he's different, not a big deal. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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NDRU said: BlaqueKnight said: He didn't "pick on Prince", he humanized him. To idolworshippers, that is insulting. To normal people, its understanding.True he didn't trash Prince, exactly, (and I don't even mind if someone does BTW) but he does take a couple shots, which seem at odds with his problem of being criticized himself. I guess what I read was him placing himself higher than Prince in terms of craftmanship & songwriting (to the point of "critical immunity" obviously not true, as evidenced by this whole thread!!). Like he's Michaelangelo, and Prince is just strongwilled
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NDRU said: If he's humanizing Prince, he's deifying himself. Not really. He just touched on something a lot of die-hard Prince fans don't like to admit. Prince had to fight for respect as a musician because he came out presenting himself as an entertainer. He (along with Warner Brothers) presented him as this one-man band but it didn't stick for a long time because when he first came out, there were still artists - bands - that were KILLING him. He then proceeded to be more and more outrageous and his image soon overshadowed his music in the eyes of the general public. His fans "got it" but the casual listener didn't and didn't care to. It took YEARS of promotion and some industry changes for him to shine the way he has. Van has a right to his opinions as well and doesn't have to "earn" them any more than any of us do. He spoke his mind on his own blog on his own MySpace page. Orgers brought it to the org. I think he just believes that he's written enough and proven himself as a songwriter and doesn't need to be "approved" by those who haven't done as much (i.e., orgers) in order to speak his mind on Prince. I just happen to agree with him. A lot of Prince fans have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement when it comes to Prince and truth be told, y'all don't know jack about Van's own personal interactions with Prince and the Prince camp. You just THINK you know Prince. Like I said in the first post - "dude don't love y'all"; he doesn't even know y'all. Such passion should be reserved for people you have intimate knowledge of. [Edited 1/14/08 12:23pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: NDRU said: If he's humanizing Prince, he's deifying himself. Not really. He just touched on something a lot of die-hard Prince fans don't like to admit. Prince had to fight for respect as a musician because he came out presenting himself as an entertainer. He (along with Warner Brothers) presented him as this one-man band but it didn't stick for a long time because when he first came out, there were still artists - bands - that were KILLING him. He then proceeded to be more and more outrageous and his image soon overshadowed his music in the eyes of the general public. His fans "got it" but the casual listener didn't and didn't care to. It took YEARS of promotion and some industry changes for him to shine the way he has. Van has a right to his opinions as well and doesn't have to "earn" them any more than any of us do. He spoke his mind on his own blog on his own MySpace page. Orgers brought it to the org. I think he just believes that he's written enough and proven himself as a songwriter and doesn't need to be "approved" by those who haven't done as much (i.e., orgers) in order to speak his mind on Prince. I just happen to agree with him. A lot of Prince fans have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement when it comes to Prince and truth be told, y'all don't know jack about Van's own personal interactions with Prince and the Prince camp. You just THINK you know Prince. Like I said in the first post - "dude don't love y'all"; he doesn't even know y'all. Such passion should be reserved for people you have intimate knowledge of. [Edited 1/14/08 12:23pm] Sure, he can say whatever he wants (and he may have some good points hidden in that mess), just like I can say his argument is pretty unfocused & confusing. My Legacy
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NDRU said: Sure, he can say whatever he wants (and he may have some good points hidden in that mess), just like I can say his argument is pretty unfocused & confusing. What argument? I thought he was just venting when I read it. I didn't find it confusing. You're entitled to say whatever you want. That was part of the point I was making. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: NDRU said: If he's humanizing Prince, he's deifying himself. Not really. He just touched on something a lot of die-hard Prince fans don't like to admit. Prince had to fight for respect as a musician because he came out presenting himself as an entertainer. He (along with Warner Brothers) presented him as this one-man band but it didn't stick for a long time because when he first came out, there were still artists - bands - that were KILLING him. He then proceeded to be more and more outrageous and his image soon overshadowed his music in the eyes of the general public. His fans "got it" but the casual listener didn't and didn't care to. It took YEARS of promotion and some industry changes for him to shine the way he has. Van has a right to his opinions as well and doesn't have to "earn" them any more than any of us do. He spoke his mind on his own blog on his own MySpace page. Orgers brought it to the org. I think he just believes that he's written enough and proven himself as a songwriter and doesn't need to be "approved" by those who haven't done as much (i.e., orgers) in order to speak his mind on Prince. I just happen to agree with him. A lot of Prince fans have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement when it comes to Prince and truth be told, y'all don't know jack about Van's own personal interactions with Prince and the Prince camp. You just THINK you know Prince. Like I said in the first post - "dude don't love y'all"; he doesn't even know y'all. Such passion should be reserved for people you have intimate knowledge of. [Edited 1/14/08 12:23pm] my only disagreement is the fact that Prince is still not respected as a musician, mainly because he came from a "decade" of big albums and performers, simply take Madonna,MJ,JJ and George Michael, and even Bruce, none of them except Bruce are musicians, so i think for the most part people dont even know he plays. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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BlaqueKnight said: NDRU said: Sure, he can say whatever he wants (and he may have some good points hidden in that mess), just like I can say his argument is pretty unfocused & confusing. What argument? I thought he was just venting when I read it. I didn't find it confusing. You're entitled to say whatever you want. That was part of the point I was making. "Marlon Brando was an artiste (emphasis on the 'iste'). Each more naturally skillful than any of the people I've mentioned. Ayn Rand, Tennessee Williams... craftsmen. Read 'Fountainhead' or watch 'Night of The Iguana'. the work is more fine tuned and sharp and sophisticated than any of the people I've mentioned" This stuff is confusing. So Ayn Rand is better than Art Tatum? Michelangelo better than Dylan? Who are "any of the people I've mentioned?" What is a "major minor 11th?"
But I agree w/you he's just venting, and on his own blog, for that matter. My Legacy
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lastdecember said: my only disagreement is the fact that Prince is still not respected as a musician, mainly because he came from a "decade" of big albums and performers, simply take Madonna,MJ,JJ and George Michael, and even Bruce, none of them except Bruce are musicians, so i think for the most part people dont even know he plays. I don't believe that at all. Prince has plenty of respect as a musician. A lot of Prince fans just want him declared a "guitar god" and he ISN'T. He gets respect for being a musician, he just doesn't get deemed "the greatest" on any one thing (because he's not) and that tends to translate as no respect to a lot of the die-hards. And to correct you, MJ and George Michael are both musicians. Oh, this is an eleventh: 
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: my only disagreement is the fact that Prince is still not respected as a musician, mainly because he came from a "decade" of big albums and performers, simply take Madonna,MJ,JJ and George Michael, and even Bruce, none of them except Bruce are musicians, so i think for the most part people dont even know he plays. I don't believe that at all. Prince has plenty of respect as a musician. A lot of Prince fans just want him declared a "guitar god" and he ISN'T. He gets respect for being a musician, he just doesn't get deemed "the greatest" on any one thing (because he's not) and that tends to translate as no respect to a lot of the die-hards. And to correct you, MJ and George Michael are both musicians. I agree. I think anyone who knows music at all knows Prince is a great musician. And you're right, his strength isn't on any one instrument, that's why he's not a "jimi" or a "coltrane." My Legacy
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: my only disagreement is the fact that Prince is still not respected as a musician, mainly because he came from a "decade" of big albums and performers, simply take Madonna,MJ,JJ and George Michael, and even Bruce, none of them except Bruce are musicians, so i think for the most part people dont even know he plays. I don't believe that at all. Prince has plenty of respect as a musician. A lot of Prince fans just want him declared a "guitar god" and he ISN'T. He gets respect for being a musician, he just doesn't get deemed "the greatest" on any one thing (because he's not) and that tends to translate as no respect to a lot of the die-hards. And to correct you, MJ and George Michael are both musicians. Oh, this is an eleventh:
(in C) [Edited 1/14/08 13:23pm] I know what an 11th is, not a "major minor 11th." Again maybe he's just ranting, but it makes him sound a bit like he is just throwing out terms & names (unless there actually IS a major minor 11th, and I just don't know about it)My Legacy
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: my only disagreement is the fact that Prince is still not respected as a musician, mainly because he came from a "decade" of big albums and performers, simply take Madonna,MJ,JJ and George Michael, and even Bruce, none of them except Bruce are musicians, so i think for the most part people dont even know he plays. I don't believe that at all. Prince has plenty of respect as a musician. A lot of Prince fans just want him declared a "guitar god" and he ISN'T. He gets respect for being a musician, he just doesn't get deemed "the greatest" on any one thing (because he's not) and that tends to translate as no respect to a lot of the die-hards. And to correct you, MJ and George Michael are both musicians. Oh, this is an eleventh:
(in C) [Edited 1/14/08 13:23pm] Well i think its more that people that get recognition over him are not even on his level, i think its more than the "god" thing, since no one is the greatest, regardless of who thinks they are or who know they are. The reason there is no greatest is simply because no one is playing the same stuff so to compare may be fun and a good game at a bar, but its useless. As far as MJ and George Michael is more of what they put forward that can put you in the "musician" class, meaning we can argue that Mariah Carey is a musician because she learned how to write music for her albums, and it would be true, its more the perception of the public, if you ask most of the population what does George Michael or Michael Jackson do, i would say most of them would just say they are performers and not mention them as musicians. I always laugh at the 'greatest" polls because its always relative of the moment, how someone can rank Kurt Cobain in the top 10 guitarists of all time, would be like ranking Ciara as one of top RB females of all time. As for knowing music you would be surprised that people who "know" music almost never mention Prince at all, you seem to always have to remind them, trust me i was around these people who think they "know" things 24/7 for two decades "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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NDRU said: I know what an 11th is, not a "major minor 11th." Again maybe he's just ranting, but it makes him sound a bit like he is just throwing out terms & names (unless there actually IS a major minor 11th, and I just don't know about it)Type-o perhaps? My posts are laden with them. Maybe he meant major/minor 11th or "major or minor 11th"? Its a blog. It happens. | |
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I've never heard any of his music but I have seen his name brought up from time to time here on the org. Since I've seen some of the cool orgers bring his name up, I figured I'd look for some of his stuff in the record store and had no luck. The fact that I can't find his stuff in my local record store makes me wonder if his stuff is actually good since a record stores like to keep the good stuff out. However, just because some of the cool orgers like him still doesn't mean that I might like him because very few people are as strict and rigid as me when it comes to music. I figured I'd take a chance though since good new music has become a desperate thing these days.
I didn't see any comments on the other thread that would really be harsh enough to piss him off so I'll ask some questions about his music. If the comments are what I want to hear, I'll give him a huge compliment. However, if the comments aren't what I want to hear, I'll give him a reason to be pissed.
I got the impression from the other thread that he plays instruments. Well, does he have real drums and bass on the records? If he has drum machines, are they strong sounding drum machines or are they the same shit hop sounding ones that everyone else is using these days? And also, MOST IMPORTANTLY, does he ever speed the tempo up faster than all this sissified ballerina tempoed music that has dominated for the last 15 years? If he does, I give him the highest praise possible and will definately be on the lookout for his music to purchase. If not, he can kiss my ass just like the rest of the current artists. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I love Van to pieces, but he really only focused on the negitive aspects of the thread  If you will, so will I | |
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