Byron said:

yeah.....I sorta said that to him. I just felt he was whining AND doing the very thing he claims others were doing to him.


but as he said...he's qualified to make those critiques.

JackieBlue said:

Um, you may have missed the parts where he called people "bitches", "jokers", and "fanbot zealots"...

Rhondab said:

Exactly...

However, he's not "qualified" to make the critiques...he just has the right. Just as we all do.

Byron said:

No, I meant talking about Van Hunt.

Rhondab said:

See, now that was a far less arrogant reply (although the "but i am qualified to do that" has the b.o. of arrogance on it lol)...and it makes sense as an explanation to his views. Can't say whether or not he's right, but at least it makes sense and comes off as more mature than his previous rant.

JackieBlue said:

Well, his post really didn't go into Van Hunt at all...it was 99.9% slamming posters and calling them names for their views, telling us all that we "know" he's right about Prince, and even throwing Sananda in there.

BartVanHemelen said:

"Oh please, get real"??...Man, your debating skills have bottomed out lol ...

And while you addressed PR, you somehow left out the view that 1999 was not designed to be commercial, and that its uniqueness was a large driving force behind its success. Is that your way of saying he was right on that point?

Byron said:

BUt he's right though. Van's doesn't sound ANYTHING like Prince and Prince isn't the only artist out there. I don't really understand that comparison, to me it seems like it's the "Oh, it's a brother playing guitar, he's gotta either be like Prince or Jimi."

If folks on the internet have a right to trash him, doesn't he have a right to respond if he wants to? That, and like Blaque said, he posted it on his Myspace. It's not like he came up in here, got a screenname and made a "YOU guys are all assholes" topic.

Byron said:

guitarslinger44 said:

I think i would have appreciated it more.

Go to the ppl who are getting on your nerves. He knew it would get back to the Org and okayplayer. He's not dumb.

passive aggressiveness really.

guitarslinger44 said:

I was only responding to the view that BlaqueKnight did so "without being nasty or cynical" lol ...

Byron said:

I would like to take a moment to call all of you "muthafuckas" Thank you, that is all

CalhounSq said:

I find the banana dance more offensive than "muthafuckas" lol ...

Byron said:

HOW DARE YOU!

CalhounSq said:

Oh, hun...

Byron said:

GAT DAMMIT, that "hun" shit is uncalled for, man!

I'mma banana-dance you to death!


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CalhounSq said:

heh heh...


Btw, you fucked up like three times on your post lol ...I had to wait until you were thru before I could respond lol ...

Byron said:

STFU!!!!! COLD!!

Co-Sign He lost on

Bishop31 said:

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He lost me as well. Some people don't care for Van's music and he needs to accept that. He needs to get a thicker skin.

Yeah, well my nephew said this about Van:



Is it wrong that this is cute to me?

CalhounSq said:

That "hun" must have really thrown your thought process off the tracks, I figured lol ...
[Edited 1/14/08 8:35am]

Byron said:

Actually, "fantbot zealots" should only apply to you if you ARE ONE.
"You bitches" was intended as a casual urban colloqualism.
And, opinions don't require qualification, Byron.
Again, refer to my point about "ranking systems".
Peace.

BlaqueKnight said:

Um, ok then lol...

I guess when you said "Pathetically and desperately seeking to appease someone who doesn't even know you exist and doesn't care is worthy of a sit down on "the couch" with a professional of the psychiatric sort." was a non-nasty and non-cynical urban colloquialism, too...

And btw, it was not Prince's "glitz and glam that he does so well that is a large part of what has acquired him so many fans over the years." The glitz and glam may draw attention, but it doesn't keep people on as fans for decades. It's the music, pure and simple. A lot of people became fans of Prince's music almost immediately upon hearing it on the radio or from a friend, without ever having seen the guy, seen his videos or seen him in concert. I played Controversy and 1999 for many friends back when both came out, and none of them even knew he was black, none the less wore bikini briefs and leg warmers or licked his guitar during a solo. They became instant fans nonetheless. They didn't need to see "glitz and glamour" to want to hear more. In fact it was the desire to hear more and experience more that lead them to the glitz and glamour of Prince, not the other way around.

Gotta agree with Van The brotha makes great music btw

lspear76 said:

Are you serious??

Byron said:

The funny thing is i often hear people talk about Prince as if they know this guy. They'll say he's this or that, and its never right. Prince seems to be someoone that you may think you have pegged but than he will do something you never thought he would do. When Planet Earth came out and hit its peak week 1 and then was falling, people were talking about him not selling and crap like that, and as i pointed out then, Prince has only had a handful of what people might call "big sellers", Prince's first 5 albums all benefited from sales from people who were curious about him after Purple Rain came out, people were going back and getting into him at that point for the most part, as proven all his certifications on those albums came after Purple Rain. I remember in the mid 90's when prince was going against WB, and no one was coming to his defense, not one artist ever rallied behind him, until years later when people jumped on his bandwagon with label fights and ownership issues. I also remember during this time talking to someone in Chicago who was talking to alot of people in Prince's circle at the time, and him telling me, that people were confused about where he was going, and what he wanted to do, some said he wanted a commercial spotlight, others said it was last thing on his mind. I think to Prince IMO he tends to use the spotlight as his way to change things, as i said before Prince made the mainstream, it didnt make him. Meaning that he didnt jump on something that sounded a certain way to sell, to cash in on it, he more or less created something that wasnt out there, and sorry for those who think differently, but in the 80's, the whole idea was to be different, that was the challenge, this would also be the reason why Van Hunt speaks of RB radio being "invisible" mainly because of the lack of trying to be different as opposed to just cashing in.

Sorry but, Van’s response was arrogant and childish. He is not even attacking the fans he is attacking Prince.
I am sorry you got to log some miles before you can knock Prince and Van has not logged enough miles and no I do not think P is the greatest song writer on the earth I just don’t think Van is either.
He also started bringing up all these other artist WTF!!!!

BlaqueKnight said:

lastdecember said:

So true.

wow, with a rant that unfocused and angry, VH could make a great orger!

Van should keep his kids off the Internet as should most parents.

His arrogance is a lot like most musicians, reality just isn't a part of it.

Van should let his music do the talking and when he finally finds a place to distribute this record I've been hearing about, I actually hear what he has to say. The rest of this shit is Internet fodder for people to chew on when their not debating one band vs. another.