Of course it's a given that there's a majority of garbage in the mainstream, but there's a whole lot of good stuff too. But some of you won't even just give that a chance. You're just stuck in your era of music (60's-90's, take your pick). But that was then and that will always be around. And if you're desperate to hear those sounds again, then go out and form a fucking band or create a new music movement yourself. The punk rockers in the 70's didn't bitch and moan on the internet about how miserable music is (well, the internet wasn't around then). They went out and created music for themselves. And yes, you may have to look a little deeper into the Indie and underground world, but it's totally worth it. Or better yet, to catch the good stuff from the Indie world check out Subterranean. The only MTV show worth watching.




Ever listen to Bloc Party? Now that's some good stuff. Or better yet, try The Dismemberment Plan. Amazing.

Read the T-Shirt, folks.

I'm glad there's been lots of threads on The Org's biased treatment of today's music. The more people speak up, the better.

We should be able to start a thread on whoever the fuck we want without at least one orger coming in solely to diss the thread, artist and thread starter.

purplesweat said:

i'm afraid that's not just an org thing, it's an internet thing.

go to any forum anywhere and start a thread expressing enthusiasm on any topic and i SWEAR TO YOU like a bear shits in the woods, someone will chime in about how overrated your favorite band/movie/book/whatever is.

it's the nature of the beast.

Anxiety said:

Anx, my poet, my guru.

Well my main issue is not even the talent because its there in some capacity, but its this constant "push". And what i mean is everytime an artist with some degree of talent or just a little different comes out, they get this title "greatest band ever" in the last 10 years there have been about 50 greatest bands ever and most of them cant even record a second or third album. The talent is there, but no one lets it grow, there seems to be this need to blow it up with HYPE and nothing comes from HYPE. Like i said before "mainstream" is not a bad thing, go back to any decade and the "mainstream" were the best things, mainly because you had labels and radio and whatever, giving you everything, now you are consolidated so everyone fits a mold and a genre. An RB artist like Rashaan Patterson cant get played or seen mainly because he's not the typical RB male, singing about nonsense, and this goes on in every genre. For every Rashaan Patterson and Lupe Fiasco you have 50 Soulja Boys and T Pain's, and thats all you will see, so people are going to trash it because its whats seen, think of what you would see in other decades and wonder why no one really trashes them.

anon said:

music today doesn't even suck

manifest the funk!

lastdecember said:

I agree with you here but when someone DOES come along with more than one album, take KANYE again for instance, he gets tied with all the souljas and t-pains (I know they collaborated but that song is all kanye anyway).

I agree that artists fade too quick these days but not ALL of them.

Usually the ones that manage to stick around eventually just get called "too commercial" or "shit hop" and are hated on because they finally went mainstream.

Great post, NWF.

I screamed many moons ago on this very same subject. But it fell on deaf ears. There's a tremendous amount of great music out there. It may not be what you're hearing from Clear Channel, but with the internet at your fingertips there's no excuse for not being able to stay on top of things.

Dance said:

See, this is what I mean.

Anxiety said:

Yup.

Cinnie said:

i'm just trying to keep it real dammit

Omig0d!!1
Th1s thr34d SUXX!!1

FuNkeNsteiN said:

do you listen to anything recorded post-1978?

in fact, why do you use the internutz? did they have the web in the old timey days?

Anxiety said:

Well, I draw the line at around 1982 or so
I do listen to some newer stuff, but I'd be lying if I said I did it often

FuNkeNsteiN said:

violator said:

One of the biggest lies out there when it comes to new or unsigned acts

NWF said:

Funny because you popped up in a thread somebody started about The Killers only to say they sucked and are posers.

Generally speaking, if I don't like somebody I avoid the subject, be it new or old. My preference is for classic music, but I don't know that I've ever started or participated in a thread saying new music sucks. Not that you're accusing anyone directly of it, but there is a lot of that here. Always has been in the near 4 years I've been here.

purplesweat said:

My only issue with Kanye is his mouth, he constantly compares himself with what came before him, and that is why people who grew up in that time will hate on him. And the thing with "mainstream" is that everyone views it as being bad, you can still be who you are and be accepted, artists are the ones that dictate the mainstream, they can change the way its perceived in this generation, but also people need to support them more too, so when a Van Hunt or Rashaan Patterson come around do what you can do to get them heard, tell people, write a blog, email radio, email billboard magazine, email newspapers. It just amazes me that in a generation where all these things can be done, none are.

NWF said:

I Bloc Party. I'd put them somewhere in my top 5 new acts of the '00s. They might actually be #1.

"Flux" has been kicking my ass since it leaked way back in October.

NWF said:

I just youtube bloc party and their music is OKAY

RipHer2Shreds said:

And yes, I stick by that statement about the Killers, well, because they kinda are. They're trying to bring back New Wave but not getting the formula right. It seems like they just tried to jump on the whole New Wave bandwagon when every other alternative band was getting into it. They must've heard a Duran Duran record and said "hey, we can do this". But I grew up listening to the genre and was completely peerless. I used to get called all kinds of insults in school for loving this music. So it's funny to see folks my age get into it now when I believed I was the only one I knew who loved the genre. I question a band like them, basically. But at least other bands like Bloc Party and Franz Ferdinand are inspired by the genre, but put a pin on it and make it their own. But bands like the Killers and The Bravery even are not so much trying to create a new sound as they are reviving an old one. New Wave was an 80's thing and if you're gonna do that, at least put some kind of creative spin on it. And make it funky too. A lot of New Wave bands back then compared to now had Soul and Funk in their trunk. Some bands like The Rapture and VHS or Beta understand this, but many others don't.

Now you're probably thinking "but didn't that New Wave guy say in the beginning that we should go out and create the music ourselves"? Well, yes you should. But if you're trying to bring back old genres like Funk or Disco you'll only be doing some nostalgic thing. You can, if it makes you happy, but I think there should be some kind of new spin on whatever old school genre you wish to play. Just do something totally new.

But my original point is this: there's too many folks here that just come and bitch and complain about how there's NO good music out there today. Or they complain about how the music today doesn't compare to the music of the days of yore. And I think that it's just unfair that folks are completely biased against anything (even the good stuff) that comes out in the millenium because it doesn't sound like an old school act.

I'm from the school of Punk Rock, and they were all about DIY (Do It Yourself) was pretty much the philosophy. I'm all for revolution and change, but it won't happen just by sitting on your ass and bitching on the internet. And that's what I'm doing. I play in a Funk/Rock band here in New York, and we're one of the few bands of those kind that are under 30 and doing it our own way.

NWF said:

And you've come to this conclusion based on what?

The fact that no one likes all the bands you like?

Dance said:

No, I'm saying that there is good music out there like those bands, but folks like you just choose to close your ears to it.

It's like, I'm telling you about an actually decent show on MTV called "Subterranean" which you've probably never seen. But you just write it off simply because it's on MTV and that you know of MTV's current reputation. And I'm looking at your signature and it tells me that you're completely biased against Hip-Hop, which is the dominant genre in popular music today. But I could tell you about stuff like The Roots, Outkast, Madlib, etc. but you'd probably wouldn't want to hear that either.
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Axchi696 said:

Oh yeah, they're awesome. Although I do like their 1st album better than their 2nd, they're cool anyways since they don't repeat themselves.

NWF said:

why do you care what anyone likes? you dont like the Killers and you expressed yourself on it... and if others do it.. you complain? ppl can dislike whatever they want to.. that makes them individuals ..

i think i'll start getting geeked about new music again when artists abandon the trend of trying to fake gritty realism and technical proficiency, and focus once again on performance and spectacle. pop music should be larger than life, grotesque, over the top. not all of it perhaps, but more than we've got now! little richard, mick jagger, david bowie, prince, cyndi lauper, grace jones, boy freakin george, even marilyn manson...we need more of that. thing is, all the people i listed have talent beyond their halloween costumes - they just knew how to keep it interesting at the same time! when did pop artists start getting so boring?

NWF said:

Nothing resembling that idea has ever come from me, so kindly shove that nonsense right back into your behind.

The fact that some people don't want to worship Bloc Party, or some myspace band or some MTV darling with you doesn't make them "biased."

It just means that they don't like the act(How dare they)or that you have incredibly bad taste and should consider turning MTV off.

Flowerz said:

I don't care what one likes or dislikes nor do I care about what one thinks of what I like or dislike. But that's not my point. I'm saying that yeah, you don't have to like what you don't like, but don't be arrogant about it.

I know I don't like The Killers. But I know there's an audience for them. I'm jsut not apart of it. But this is about folks that are just biased against any new act today. Why? because they don't sound like such-a-such act from back in the day. And if one always judges a new act to an old one then they'll never understand the joy of appreciating that new act.