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Printablepurplesweat said: ThreadBare said: It's not that we -- or, at least, I -- hate Justin.
It's just that American pop culture and media have a tendency to put a title on someone who hasn't earned it... who hasn't come close to earning it ... all because of the fuzzy process of evocation and implication. To some critics, Justin evokes Stevie Wonder by singing from behind a keyboard while playing an easy, two-chord progression on a Wonderesque song. Then, they take the implication to an illogical conclusion: Justin could be the next Stevie... 
To his credit, Justin is a good performer who connects really well with his audience. But I have never seen in him a freestanding artist. Instead, I see someone who leans heavily on producers. But, I also think the industry has changed drastically since Stevie hit. Would a Stevie even get the time of day today? Alright ONE person compared him to Stevie and that one person has to be on drugs. I don't know of anyone else in their right minds who would make that comparison. People respect JT for at least trying to branch out and away from the boyband label and sound. As for the producer thing, I think him and Timbo were more of a team. JT wrote 99% of the songs on FS/LS whereas Tim did the overall sound. Judging from the interview on FS/LS DVD, JT had a LOT of input on FS/LS album. It's interesting to note, his band includes 4-5 guys that have all worked for Prince before and all of them love Justin and can't deny he has talent and have a deep respect for him. Some of these guys are very well known in the industry and do you really think they'd take up a job with him if he didn't posess "something"? Ha, you really think the 4 -5 guys that are working for Justin really respect him or his music?? What a load of fucking bullshit. The only reason they are doing it is because they are getting paid. They gotta make a living somehow. If the [Snip - luv4u] is handing out big sums to them, then sure, they should leech the fucker for all he is worth. I bet they go home and laugh their asses off at Timberlake behind his back, laughing at his so called "talent". A piece of my turd has got more talent than justin [Snip - luv4u].  | |
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Timberlake is garbage! | |
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JD can't detach his mouth off Timberlake's balls even if he tried. How many times has he interjected Justin Timberlake's name and career into one of his interviews already. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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I dont like the guy myself but some comments here are just  | |
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VoicesCarry said: Rodya24 said: Really? I am not so sure. It seems that the music industry is incredibly hypocritical with talent or its perception of it. When an artist is commercially successful, often (not all the time) he or she is hailed as the next best thing, "brillant, innovative". And when he or she is not... It should be interesting how Timberlake is perceived in the mainstream a decade from now. I suggest you go back and read original reviews of albums by Madonna and Janet. I'm sure you also know how few Grammys the two have between them, and how easy it is for similar stars to win them today. Artists like that were never viewed as auteurs or anything that they really weren't in the 80's. There was no pretension of genius. [Edited 1/12/08 7:15am] I thought Janet was pretty well reviewed at the time. Like A Prayer got fantastic reviews too, but you're right, people weren't making them out to be great artists or anything. Just out of interest, who did get nominated for Best Album Grammys in 1990? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: VoicesCarry said: I suggest you go back and read original reviews of albums by Madonna and Janet. I'm sure you also know how few Grammys the two have between them, and how easy it is for similar stars to win them today. Artists like that were never viewed as auteurs or anything that they really weren't in the 80's. There was no pretension of genius. [Edited 1/12/08 7:15am] I thought Janet was pretty well reviewed at the time. Like A Prayer got fantastic reviews too, but you're right, people weren't making them out to be great artists or anything. Just out of interest, who did get nominated for Best Album Grammys in 1990? Good reviews, but not reviews that touted the artists as something they weren't. 1990 album of the year nominees were: The End of the Innocence - Don Henley The Raw and the Cooked - Fine Young Cannibals Full Moon Fever - Tom Petty Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 - Traveling Wilburys Winner was Bonnie Raitt's Nick of Time. | |
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VoicesCarry said: midnightmover said: I thought Janet was pretty well reviewed at the time. Like A Prayer got fantastic reviews too, but you're right, people weren't making them out to be great artists or anything. Just out of interest, who did get nominated for Best Album Grammys in 1990? Good reviews, but not reviews that touted the artists as something they weren't. 1990 album of the year nominees were: The End of the Innocence - Don Henley The Raw and the Cooked - Fine Young Cannibals Full Moon Fever - Tom Petty Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 - Traveling Wilburys Winner was Bonnie Raitt's Nick of Time. I have Nick Of Time, and it can't hold a candle to Like A Prayer. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: VoicesCarry said: Good reviews, but not reviews that touted the artists as something they weren't. 1990 album of the year nominees were: The End of the Innocence - Don Henley The Raw and the Cooked - Fine Young Cannibals Full Moon Fever - Tom Petty Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 - Traveling Wilburys Winner was Bonnie Raitt's Nick of Time. I have Nick Of Time, and it can't hold a candle to Like A Prayer. I agree. | |
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Well the grammys always just seem to get things wrong at different times. They bowed to pressure that were focusing too much on "albums" that werent commercial and were by "older" artists, like Dylan and others, also the grammys have now adopted a really dumb method for their album of the year category, at that is to make sure something for everyone is included, which is total nonsense, meaning the grammys wants to make sure theres a rap album a rock album a pop album a critic favorite and a freaking longshot that no one ever thought of, they have done this many times in the past few years and its really dumb because many get left out, i mean why have a rock or rap album that maybe just wasnt that good just to have it represented. They also have totally screwed up this "Pop" album category, which is why they give it out before the show, in recent years Brian Wilson and Joni Mitchell have won , and most likely this year Paul McCartney will win, but "pop", why nominate them in a category when "pop" radio would never even consider playing a track by them, this is where the grammys are backwards, McCartney should be in the album of the Year category where as others like Kanye or Amy Whinehouse should have been in pop. Since Album of the Year is much like the award for Best Movie, its not about how many people went to the box office, its what was actually better. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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dirtyman2005 said: [Bait slur rant snip - luv4u]
 I wish I had seen dirtyman's post.His comments are outrageous!! | |
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JD makes a strong argument for having an image vs no specific look. 
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JD needs to zip it! I don't like Justin, but enough already. JD stays talking about that guy. Just let it go already. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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I sometimes think JD is really in a relationship with Mariah Carey secretly and he says these dumb things to screw with Janet.
I mean, he sometimes has very valid points about the music business, but then he gets petty, too. | |
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WTF. How on earth are you gonna compare Justin and Stevie.  Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U. | |
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 @ JD talking about Justin's "beef." Gross. | |
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VinnyM27 said: I sometimes think JD is really in a relationship with Mariah Carey secretly and he says these dumb things to screw with Janet.
I mean, he sometimes has very valid points about the music business, but then he gets petty, too. I agree. JD can't do for Janet what he did for Mariah, I don't know why he thought his "Midas touch" will spread all over Janet. It hasn't. IDJ did right by releasing the first song from Janet's album from someone else. And I rather they keep it like that. JD will just fuck Janet up. Janet only needs him in the sack, not the studio, lol. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: @ JD talking about Justin's "beef." Gross.Let's be accurate and call it a cocktail weenie. | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: @ JD talking about Justin's "beef." Gross.Let's be accurate and call it a cocktail weenie. Please, let's not. I like cocktail weenies. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Let's be accurate and call it a cocktail weenie. Please, let's not. I like cocktail weenies. Sausage nub? | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: Please, let's not. I like cocktail weenies. Sausage nub? | |
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the thing is that jermaine dupri works with the stars of today that in his words don't shine as bright as past stars.
oh, and as far as image, you could dress as justin for halloween he has crafted an image for himself and works for his success you can't deny that | |
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dirtyman2005 said: purplesweat said: Alright ONE person compared him to Stevie and that one person has to be on drugs. I don't know of anyone else in their right minds who would make that comparison. People respect JT for at least trying to branch out and away from the boyband label and sound. As for the producer thing, I think him and Timbo were more of a team. JT wrote 99% of the songs on FS/LS whereas Tim did the overall sound. Judging from the interview on FS/LS DVD, JT had a LOT of input on FS/LS album. It's interesting to note, his band includes 4-5 guys that have all worked for Prince before and all of them love Justin and can't deny he has talent and have a deep respect for him. Some of these guys are very well known in the industry and do you really think they'd take up a job with him if he didn't posess "something"? Ha, you really think the 4 -5 guys that are working for Justin really respect him or his music?? What a load of fucking bullshit. The only reason they are doing it is because they are getting paid. They gotta make a living somehow. If the [Snip - luv4u] is handing out big sums to them, then sure, they should leech the fucker for all he is worth. I bet they go home and laugh their asses off at Timberlake behind his back, laughing at his so called "talent". A piece of my turd has got more talent than justin [Snip - luv4u]. So these highly respected, well off musicians are ONLY working with an ex-boy band member for the money? They don't care about their reputation from working with him because they're blinded by the money. Oh but it's only TODAY'S artists that are obsessed with money. The Org's inconsistencies in their hatred of today's artists is astounding. | |
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RockAbilly said: oh, and as far as image, you could dress as justin for halloween
he has crafted an image for himself and works for his success you can't deny that i'm pretty sure one COULD deny that, unless you tell us what that halloween costume would consist of. | |
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RockAbilly said: the thing is that jermaine dupri works with the stars of today that in his words don't shine as bright as past stars.
oh, and as far as image, you could dress as justin for halloween he has crafted an image for himself and works for his success you can't deny that
The Beat It jacket The Purple Rain look The Madonna look In the 1980s, those phrases immediately conjured images to the mainstream. In the cases of Prince and Madonna, it meant Paisley and lace, and lingerie over clothing, respectively. There's no "look" now attached to someone like Timberlake. He has no Thriller jacket or MJ shades (which Usher and others seemed to bring back, a few years ago). He's just Timberlake. | |
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ThreadBare said: RockAbilly said: the thing is that jermaine dupri works with the stars of today that in his words don't shine as bright as past stars.
oh, and as far as image, you could dress as justin for halloween he has crafted an image for himself and works for his success you can't deny that
The Beat It jacket The Purple Rain look The Madonna look In the 1980s, those phrases immediately conjured images to the mainstream. In the cases of Prince and Madonna, it meant Paisley and lace, and lingerie over clothing, respectively. There's no "look" now attached to someone like Timberlake. He has no Thriller jacket or MJ shades (which Usher and others seemed to bring back, a few years ago). He's just Timberlake. actually, Timberfuck does have something unique, his ugly Penis nose. Timberfuck took the hollywood crown of "Best Penis Nose" from Owen Wilson. As Jackie Chan once said, "Owen wilson has the best penis looking nose in the world". that is until Timberfuck took the crown. There is only one penis nose now, and thats timberfuck. well done Timberfuck, | |
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purplesweat said: dirtyman2005 said: Ha, you really think the 4 -5 guys that are working for Justin really respect him or his music?? What a load of fucking bullshit. The only reason they are doing it is because they are getting paid. They gotta make a living somehow. If the [Snip - luv4u] is handing out big sums to them, then sure, they should leech the fucker for all he is worth. I bet they go home and laugh their asses off at Timberlake behind his back, laughing at his so called "talent". A piece of my turd has got more talent than justin [Snip - luv4u]. So these highly respected, well off musicians are ONLY working with an ex-boy band member for the money? They don't care about their reputation from working with him because they're blinded by the money. Oh but it's only TODAY'S artists that are obsessed with money. The Org's inconsistencies in their hatred of today's artists is astounding. if you had the mental capability to understand what I wrote, it is self explanatory. They are only working with him to pay the bills and get some Easy money. they don't care what anybody thinks, because they know their reputation is safe and people understand exactly why they are leeching the Timberfuck. Its quite simple to understand. Money is everything, and they will take it, no matter how easy or hard it comes to them. They know that Timberfuck is a white boy jerking off and faking his way into the market by using pharrell and timbaland etc. they know full well, might as well take the money and leech the white boy. If timberfuck can leech off other people, so can they. Timberfuck has no talent, hence why his 2 albums combined have sold less worldwide than Usher did for Confessions just domestically! the media tries to give the image that Timberfuck is really successfull, when in actual fact, its that fat fuck timbaland and pharrell who made his success. Without timbaland's cock in his mouth, i doubt Timberfuck would survive. | |
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timberlake has survived in the industry for 15 years
he has sold over 50 million albums (that of course includes nsync) he is a household name i'm not saying he has an image as distinct as elvis, michael jackson, or madonna but, he has enough of one that the tv guide channel show look-a-like was able to do an episode on him. the man works hard, give him credit | |
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dirtyman2005 said: purplesweat said: So these highly respected, well off musicians are ONLY working with an ex-boy band member for the money? They don't care about their reputation from working with him because they're blinded by the money. Oh but it's only TODAY'S artists that are obsessed with money. The Org's inconsistencies in their hatred of today's artists is astounding. if you had the mental capability to understand what I wrote, it is self explanatory. They are only working with him to pay the bills and get some Easy money. they don't care what anybody thinks, because they know their reputation is safe and people understand exactly why they are leeching the Timberfuck. Its quite simple to understand. Money is everything, and they will take it, no matter how easy or hard it comes to them. They know that Timberfuck is a white boy jerking off and faking his way into the market by using pharrell and timbaland etc. they know full well, might as well take the money and leech the white boy. If timberfuck can leech off other people, so can they. Timberfuck has no talent, hence why his 2 albums combined have sold less worldwide than Usher did for Confessions just domestically! the media tries to give the image that Timberfuck is really successfull, when in actual fact, its that fat fuck timbaland and pharrell who made his success. Without timbaland's cock in his mouth, i doubt Timberfuck would survive. I love how you treat your opinion like fact. "This IS the reason they're doing it and I KNOW because MY OPINION is FACT!" 
You have no idea of the reasons behind these highly respected musician's decision to work with someone who could potentially damage their reputation (and which hasn't in any way). The Org loves to harp on about musicians who don't do it for money but for love of music but when it comes to anyone associated with an artist from today, they're suddenly money obsessed, just like the "artist" apparently. The reason Usher's album would have sold more is because downloading still wasn't what it is today back in 2004. I don't know anyone that pays for music anymore so you can't judge success on sales today. Why do you think Prince gave away his album for free? Cause no ones gonna bother to buy it! All I know is there's a hell of a lot more people (of all ages) listening to JT than there ever was for Usher. Usher had the tweenies fascinated for a minute, now he's got no chance of coming back. And can you stop saying "Timberfuck"? It's rather immature and makes you seem like a bratty 8 year old having a tantrum because he didn't get his own way. I can agree Timbaland's beats had a lot to do with the success of FS/LS as did Pharrell's on Justified. I guess Timberlake's third album will be his real test. If he can pull it off a third time (maybe without relying too heavily on producers) I think he's here to stay. Anyway, you should listen to Timberlake talking about his inspirations and idols - it's clear he has listened to a wide range of artists and has a deep respect for the music of yesterday. I really don't know what else he has to do. He drops the boy band >> The Org still treats him like a Mickey Mouse Club Boy. He starts to play instruments >>> The Org says his playing isn't good enough and leaves no time for development. He dances >> The Org somehow becomes full of professional dancers who say his dancing isn't good enough also not leaving enough time for experience nor watching the damn FS/LS DVD and discovering that, hey! He HAS improved! He works with a producer the Org hates >>> suddenly that producer is God and timberlake is "leeching" off him. Meanwhile, 50 Timbaland hate threads start. He gets a full band and the band constantly tells of how much they enjoy working with him and how they can see the obvious talent he has and how impressed they are with his work ethic >> The Org comes up with the very original theory of "They're only in it for the money". He, and any other artist of today, cannot win! | |
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