Me too. I love the b/w, the shadowing, the gloves, the painted words, but the hair. I had to see if it was a hat. But I like the cover.

Discipline is one of my favorite words but just reading the article I never need to hear it again.

This makes me a little uneasy! I can already tell Jermaine is waaay to involved (it's not just one track) and that this might be a mess that makes "20 YO" truly look like "Control". I like "Feedback", but if it's the best song on the album, I'm done with Janet.

I love how her name and the title is smeared onto the gloves

That hair do is really un-orgasmic

Definitely a captivating, exciting image. It sets a tone. Janet always makes her best music when she isn't smiling on the album cover.
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you guys are ridiculous!

It's true! A fourth smiling-blankly-for-the-camera cover in a row and I might have screamed.

But you are right. It is not as if Janet denies his involvement in her past work. She is quite open about it. What I do not get about Rene is why he refused to be credited for his invovlement in the RN 1814 and .janet albums. Janet herself said that she wanted him to be. And of course, he complains about it later.

And I agree with you that as long as the songs are good, it does not matter who wrote it.

And as for the Discipline album, Janet probably has several co-writing credits. I would be surprised if she was not credited for any of the songs.

Enough hijacking of this thread from me. Back to the new album.

Yes, Janet has always been very candid about the involvement in her work. She was honest about what she did and didn't do on the Control album in her 1987 Spin interview and in the Billboard Book of Number One Albums. She works on lyrics, basic melodies and vocal arrangements. And I have no problem believing that considering how close she always was to Michael and his creative process during Off The Wall and even Thriller. Michael is an incredible songwriter.

This is just simply not true. For at least 8 years Janet gave hundreds of interviews where she forgot to mention the major role Rene played in the writing of her songs and her direction generally. Janet herself has admiitted this so I don't know why people are denying it.

I thought the decision to keep Rene's involvement private was his own.

This is just simply not true. For at least 8 years Janet gave hundreds of interviews where she forgot to mention the major role Rene played in the writing of her songs and her direction generally. Janet herself has admiitted this so I don't know why people are denying it.

Yes, but it means you can never say Janet has always been candid about her contribution. She hasn't.

Yes, she has. It was Rene's decision to not be *officially* credited, but Janet always credited him personally.

Credited him personally? What does that mean? Can you show me an interview before 1997 where she credited him?

It means she never hid his involvement, even though he refused to be credited officialy until 1997.

And what, as in dig out all my magazines from 1990 onward where she discusses her relationship with Rene and their writing songs together, and scan some in for you reading pleasure? Sorry, I'm at work.
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