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paisleypark4 said: just realised Rene played a very crucial role...nothing has been the same since Velvet Rope
Hey PP4  ....
anyways... I don't think you should give that guy too much credit.... I just think now janet has actually lost her drive as an artist... |
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VinnyM27 said: VoicesCarry said: So Much Betta is an awesome track to my ears. Very Prince-like and loose. I adore it. And the Daft Punk sample is well used. It struck as Prince like at first, but when the vocals become delibertly distored (like in Missy's "Work It" to much better effect), it's lame and stikes as nothing but a failed experiments from "DJ"....It's funny but this album in many ways feels like what "20 YO" was touted as. It's a reflection of what she has done through her other albums...except she isn't ripping off poor Rene. Way, Rene! The distorted voice is Kyoko. It doesn't bug me whatsoever, since it adds that Betty Boop comedic element that perfectly offsets the ridiculous sexually confident lyrics. | |
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VinnyM27 said: Rene apologists are SOO 2001!  Seriously, it's getting to the strange point that people are givine more credit to Rene than to Jimmy and Terry (who BTW, had tracks on RN1814 that were hit singles and did not feature a Janet writing credit...was that some kind of sinister plan, too?).we just notice her taking a backseat ever since she broke up with Rene. All the music is so laidback without any real-life input other than the gospel of love....its getting boring. However This album is hot noetheless. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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VinnyM27 said: banks said: I was one of the people saying that JD was not involved because that's what he was telling the media, he said that LA was handling Janet and his focus was on Mariah, but i'm not upset with his contributions this time around JD lies and is not be trusted although unlike "20 YO", his contributions here are good...except I just noticed he is resposible for "So Much Betta", easily the worst Janet track ever (not to make this a Madonna thread, but for her fans to understand this, this is Janet's "Did You Do It?"). "Rock With U" and "Never Letchu Go" are two strong tracks IMHO. Damn... I really like So much Betta... I bumps this track everyday since picking up the cd last Friday | |
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the drag queen at my friends bday party yesterday doing Janet had on a better wig than Janet did yesterday.  You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album?
does it matter? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: daPrettyman said: Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album?
does it matter? a bit | |
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ehuffnsd said: daPrettyman said: Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album?
does it matter? Okay, guys I don't have a criticism, I'm just curious--she didn't write or co-write anything? I ask because when she was talking about the meaning of the word 'discipline' and especially the song Discipline I imagined it was from personal experiences, fantasies and strengths. I don't have the liner notes. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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MikeMatronik said: ehuffnsd said: does it matter? a bit why? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I'm truly surprised at how much I'm digging the new record.
Back in the day and from a very young age, I used to be a hardcore Janet fan and collector. But every album for the past decade has hooked me in less and less. In fact, I didn't even buy 20 Y.O. until last month. I probably listened to Damita Jo 10 times max. It got to the point where I didn't even care what she was up to anymore. I think I'm one of like 4 people here that actually liked All For You. This is easily the best she's done since then, possibly before. It's nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary for her, but the songs, the production, the sequencing are all very tight. It's all very pleasing to my ears and there are some truly shit hot songs. I imagine that what she had going with Jam & Lewis was a very well-oiled machine. Once that fell apart a bit and she started adding in outside help, it took her some time to get her footing. Seems like she's found it with this one. | |
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JackieBlue said: ehuffnsd said: does it matter? Okay, guys I don't have a criticism, I'm just curious--she didn't write or co-write anything? I ask because when she was talking about the meaning of the word 'discipline' and especially the song Discipline I imagined it was from personal experiences, fantasies and strengths. I don't have the liner notes. Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true. [Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: JackieBlue said: Okay, guys I don't have a criticism, I'm just curious--she didn't write or co-write anything? I ask because when she was talking about the meaning of the word 'discipline' and especially the song Discipline I imagined it was from personal experiences, fantasies and strengths. I don't have the liner notes. Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true. [Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] I just thought--or wanted to believe--that ole girl got busy with a pen and a pad and jotted about her favorite things: love and sex. Since she was so much more vocal about this project I thought it was more personal. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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no matter how she is slammed about how many words she actually penned on each album-
I don't believe you can work that hard on something that you don't at least FEEL and nobody can touch her work ethic LOVE HARD. | |
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midnightmover said: JackieBlue said: Okay, guys I don't have a criticism, I'm just curious--she didn't write or co-write anything? I ask because when she was talking about the meaning of the word 'discipline' and especially the song Discipline I imagined it was from personal experiences, fantasies and strengths. I don't have the liner notes. Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true.[Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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midnightmover said: JackieBlue said: Okay, guys I don't have a criticism, I'm just curious--she didn't write or co-write anything? I ask because when she was talking about the meaning of the word 'discipline' and especially the song Discipline I imagined it was from personal experiences, fantasies and strengths. I don't have the liner notes. Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true. [Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope. 
BTW, although some may be too daft to realize it, the All For You album was indeed one of her more personal and revealing efforts to date even though it was strictly marketed as a happy, carefree, feel good dance record. Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it. | |
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iTunes updates for Discipline:
#1 Greece #2 USA #3 Japan #3 Spain #4 Australia #4 Canada #4 Finland #5 Norway #6 Belgium #7 Sweden #7 Luxembourg #11 Denmark #12 New Zealand #14 Italy #14 Netherlands #16 France #16 Switzerland #21 Ireland #22 UK | |
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Discipline now #41 in the UK midweeks...30 copies behind #40. With its UK iTunes sales picking up, this should hopefully make Top 40 when all is said and done. | |
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amit1234 said: midnightmover said: Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true. [Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope.
BTW, although some may be too daft to realize it, the All For You album was indeed one of her more personal and revealing efforts to date even though it was strictly marketed as a happy, carefree, feel good dance record. Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it. Yeah I did like her tellin Rene off on Truth.. "I had fans before now DIDNT I!?" U kinda right..even "You Aint Right" where she was telling off a old friend. Took myself on to the doctor wasnt feeling fine I had a fever 104 Oh that blew my mind Must be I had enough bout to explode from the gossip I said Thought my friend had my back Just to stab oh yeah Hurts so bad when I talk Wanna take something Numb the pain I know it aint right Come face to face with her Gotta tell her how I feel inside Ooh hoo you aint right Ooh hoo sick and tired Yeah yeah yeah yeah The doctor said hed give me something And Id be alright I still feel queezy, feel uneasy No more drugs for me Friendships I cherish oh Let very few in the circle I said These walls I dont let down Not very easily Some friends you grow old with And theyll be there til the very end I do believe that But not with her like I thought Let her in and Ill get stabbed again Ooh hoo you aint right Ooh hoo sick and tired Stupid Bitch! U can hear her whispering. I always wondered who she was talking about. I always look over this track because its so damn dancey and hardcore, but I rrealise that this is a very angry track. [Edited 2/27/08 17:22pm] Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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midnightmover said: VinnyM27 said: Is this Rene posting? Sometimes even the the worst albums are often better than or more complext than just their singles. And even a Rene lover like you has to give it up to "All Nite". It's one thing to be critical, but to come into a thread with an axe to grind is kind of strange. I don't argue that all the albums were a slip in quality from first four with Jimmy and Terry, but considering a little album called "Control" and the fact that Jimmy and Terry would put themselves out there to say that Rene was never a factor in the studio and songwriting based on their observations, maybe Rene was not the mastermind of her career? Maybe, gasp, a female pop singer can be a songwriter can have vision and not be the product of some man behind the scenes (for some reason, unless you carry a guitar, every female pop star that has writing credits comes under this scurtiny). Rene apologists are SOO 2001! Seriously, it's getting to the strange point that people are givine more credit to Rene than to Jimmy and Terry (who BTW, had tracks on RN1814 that were hit singles and did not feature a Janet writing credit...was that some kind of sinister plan, too?).I don't bother discussing Jam and Lewis's importance because everyone knows it anyway. And like all Madonna and Janet fans you have to bring gender into the discussion, and imply I'm being sexist for merely pointing out your girl's deficiencies. Talk about lazy arguments. [Edited 2/27/08 13:18pm] Talk about lazy...you assume you know what an album sounds like based on singles! Everyone know the importance of Jam and Lewis? I wonder since you do not mention the fact that Jam and Lewis wrote hits, significant hits, probably without the help of the almighty Rene. The fact that Madonna and Janet (and others) are women is never explicitly pointed out as the reason why they probably are not as involved in the writing as male artists, but it always seems to come up? Celine gets writing credits...probably negotiates for them. Madonna is who she is only based on what producer and writer she is working with... And Janet never has never written a note or lyric, why? Becuase her "husband" said so. It's pattern that continues. If you care to continue arguing, compare the Rene-less AFY and her later albums to "Discipline" and you will notice that Janet's writing, good or bad is missing. If not, go listen to the many Rene albums out there...oh wait! | |
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daPrettyman said: Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album?
I pointed this out in my rather lengthy review. It's noticable although some people on here have such a hard-on for Rene, they credit him for anything good that came out of Janet's mouth (pretty soon he is going to be writing "Control' and will be responsible for Karyn White soon). I, and others probably as well, assume this is a one off thing and in the future Janet might have a growing input on future albums. "Discipline" is a return to "Janet Jackson" and I'm hoping the next album is "Control" (cause I don't want to live through "Dream Street" again even if she had two writing credits on it). | |
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paisleypark4 said: amit1234 said: Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope.
BTW, although some may be too daft to realize it, the All For You album was indeed one of her more personal and revealing efforts to date even though it was strictly marketed as a happy, carefree, feel good dance record. Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it. Yeah I did like her tellin Rene off on Truth.. "I had fans before now DIDNT I!?" U kinda right..even "You Aint Right" where she was telling off a old friend. Took myself on to the doctor wasnt feeling fine I had a fever 104 Oh that blew my mind Must be I had enough bout to explode from the gossip I said Thought my friend had my back Just to stab oh yeah Hurts so bad when I talk Wanna take something Numb the pain I know it aint right Come face to face with her Gotta tell her how I feel inside Ooh hoo you aint right Ooh hoo sick and tired Yeah yeah yeah yeah The doctor said hed give me something And Id be alright I still feel queezy, feel uneasy No more drugs for me Friendships I cherish oh Let very few in the circle I said These walls I dont let down Not very easily Some friends you grow old with And theyll be there til the very end I do believe that But not with her like I thought Let her in and Ill get stabbed again Ooh hoo you aint right Ooh hoo sick and tired Stupid Bitch! U can hear her whispering. I always wondered who she was talking about. I always look over this track because its so damn dancey and hardcore, but I rrealise that this is a very angry track. [Edited 2/27/08 17:22pm] tina You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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amit1234 said: midnightmover said: Dude, she was bullshitting. Just like she was bulshitting twenty years ago when she was promoting Rhythm Nation. In those interviews she would talk about her compassion for social issues, because that happened to be the theme of the album. Yet in the twenty years since then she has done virtually nothing for the issues she supposedly cared about. She hasn't even sung about them again. That's because she was merely bullshitting at the time to sell an album. Ain't nothing changed. This is the fakeness which characterises her whole career. Some of y'all might not want to hear that, but it's self evidently true. [Edited 2/27/08 15:18pm] Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope.
BTW, although some may be too daft to realize it, the All For You album was indeed one of her more personal and revealing efforts to date even though it was strictly marketed as a happy, carefree, feel good dance record. Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it. I definately got that. I loved the lyrics (which Rene wrote?) on AFY. It's a great album in that sense but the fact that every album got lighter after is kind of dissapointing. It would have been better if she had a little more edge musically on there. The four "baby making" songs in a row was troublesome. But overall it's good. After I get a chance to listen to "Janet Jackson" (got sick of looking for the CD and picked it up cheap on vinyl), I might rank the albums. Where do you think AFY stands? I would say above the newer 3 and DS for sure. | |
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amit1234 said: Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope. Are you trying to tell me that "What About" is a song of social commentary?  You're gonna have to clarify that, 'cos I totally missed it. Maybe afterwards you can point out some of Janet's other great deeds for the cause. After all she obviously cares deeply for the plight of those less fortunate than herself. She said so when promoting Rhythm Nation. So please inform me what she's done since then, apart from one track ("New Agenda") back in 1993, and a rather vague hidden track back in 1995 ("Can't Be Stopped")?
Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it.
Yeah, "Son of a Gun" is a really beautiful song.  Sorry, but that Carly Simon sampling song was shitness personified.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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daPrettyman said: Does it bother anyone that Janet didn't write any of the material on this album?
does it bother you.. that most people don't even produce their own music... I Think being able to produce your own music... is the greatest thing.... even more so then writing lyrics.... LIKE michael producing songs off his thriller album.. thats amazing that he created Billie Jean and Thriller... how many artist.. even the legends... and real singers actually produce their songs... rare to NONE.. and when most artist write music the lyrics are redundant, typical and premature.... unless its Jill scott or someone of that song writing status... so don't worry about janet... its just music... its not that serious |
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VinnyM27 said: Everyone know the importance of Jam and Lewis? I wonder since you do not mention the fact that Jam and Lewis wrote hits, significant hits, probably without the help of the almighty Rene. Yes, everyone knows the importance of Jam and Lewis. I don't think anyone is questioning that, so I have no idea why you're raising it. It's a sign of how weak your argument is that you're having to invent a straw man to argue with. Jam & Lewis were a HUGE factor in Janet's success. When you find the person who denied that, let me know and I'll tell them myself. In the meantime don't confuse this person with me. 
The fact that Madonna and Janet (and others) are women is never explicitly pointed out as the reason why they probably are not as involved in the writing as male artists, but it always seems to come up? Celine gets writing credits...probably negotiates for them. Madonna is who she is only based on what producer and writer she is working with... And Janet never has never written a note or lyric, why? Becuase her "husband" said so. It's pattern that continues.
I've heard plenty of people questioning Justin's contribution to his music too. By contrast, I've never heard anyone questioning Mariah's contribution. Possibly because she wrote so many by herself. Janet and Madonna, sadly, have not. Perhaps if you can give some male equivalents who you think are given the benefit of the doubt then your argument might get somewhere, 'cos at the moment, it's coming across quite weak. Compare the Rene-less AFY and her later albums to "Discipline" and you will notice that Janet's writing, good or bad is missing.
Well, of course it's missing. She wrote on those ones and she's not writing on this one. Jam & Lewis are also missing. What's your point? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: amit1234 said: Obviously you've never heard "New Agenda" from the janet. album or"What About" and "Can't Be Stopped" from The Velvet Rope. Are you trying to tell me that "What About" is a song of social commentary? You're gonna have to clarify that, 'cos I totally missed it. Maybe afterwards you can point out some of Janet's other great deeds for the cause. After all she obviously cares deeply for the plight of those less fortunate than herself. She said so when promoting Rhythm Nation. So please inform me what she's done since then, apart from one track ("New Agenda") back in 1993, and a rather vague hidden track back in 1995 ("Can't Be Stopped")?
Songs like "Truth", "Better Days", "Son Of A Gun", and "Trust A Try" all reveal an artist in transition. Beautiful musical snapshots from a woman just leaving a marriage and all the baggage that came along with it.
Yeah, "Son of a Gun" is a really beautiful song. Sorry, but that Carly Simon sampling song was shitness personified.10% of RN Tour went to the united negro college fund 10% of janet went to another charity name escapes me 100% of the sale of Together Again went AMFAR 10% of the Velvet Rope Tour went to America's Promise 10% A4U went somewhere as well You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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http://www.dlisted.com/node/24166 click the link if you want a laugh.. and to look at janet's morning show performance...
even my mom said she didn't like janet's wig... and was NOT impressed with that cheap performance... janet so far has disappointed with the ugly clothes, laziness with her style, even her hair... and most of all.. her drive as an artist is gone.. she makes music just to do it.. to be in the spot light... NOT to be innovator, inspiration, or make history..... |
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