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Printablebanks said: VoicesCarry said: Yep. Rene's first involvement on a Janet project was with Rhythm Nation. Janet told Rolling Stone, "Rene' has been my co-writer on almost all my songs since Rhythm Nation but refused to take credit. He wanted to prove that he wasn't with me to take, but to give. I appreciated that attitude, but I also saw that it was leading to feelings of fraudulence-on his part, not mine. On The Velvet Rope, Rene's name appears for the first time as a co-executive producer and co-writer. Just as it's wrong to claim undeserved credit, it's wrong to deny credit when it's deserved." http://www.angelfire.com/...on/a5.html I hope this put this non-sense to bed and we can further discuss all that's happening with Janet now, Not Janet Then thank you, janet has never denied whatever rene's involvement was, jimmy jam said he never saw rene with a pen writing or him being in the studio creating songs...so basically janet must give rene credit for helping write songs in private or something, and for some reason rene has only been able to write all these great songs with/for janet,nobody can convince me that some record label exec wouldnt hire mr elizondo and put him in the studio with one of the many janet clones that have popped up over the years. | |
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VoicesCarry said: The creative process behind Control is well documented. JJ & TL had most of the songs prepared for Sharon Bryant, who turned the project down. Then they chose Janet from a list of A&M artists that head of A&R John McClain had given to them. They sat down with her in informal settings such as diners and listened to her talk about her life, and the three adapted the lyrics for Janet's experiences.
They turned in the album and John McClain told them to go back and come up with another uptempo like "Nasty", so "What Have You Done For Me Lately" was written and recorded from scratch. [Edited 1/16/08 12:06pm] god to have been a fly on the wall in that room! I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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Timmy84 said: VoicesCarry said:  Yeah, I'm done. This is silly and pointless.
Back to matters of importance: Feedback has now outsold Call on Me's entire run at the digital format.  REALLY? That's what's up!  Aww, that's nice. | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: i dunno. unless JJ/TL/and JJ can prove that they all sat in a room together and came up with the ideas and Rene was no where to be seen will we ever know. if JJ just showed up with lyrics and handed them over and no one saw her write them there will always be speculation. Personally I could give a fuck who wrote 'em, they were great songs regardless. Oh, tell it like it is, Timmy84! | |
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JANETS SAMPLING MICHAELS ROCK WITH YOU?!
Janet Jackson - Discipline First up, though, was Janet's Discipline. If you've heard the single, Feedback, you'll have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the album. It's crisp, danceable R&B lavished with Janet's trademark velvet harmonies. The stand-out track was probably Tonight, a bubbling club track which can only be Jackson's response to Rihanna's Don't Stop The Music. Reid mentioned that some of the tracks weren't finished - and this one sounded like it was missing a sample somewhere in the mix. Once that's added, this could be Janet's biggest dance success since Together Again. Love, Love, Love and This Can't Be Good saw the lyrical return of the sweet singer who first raised her head on Let's Wait Awhile - all coy and bashful while falling head over heels in love. But the sleazy siren of 20 YO is also present. Title track Discipline is a gruseome plea for fetishistic S&M sex - with Janet referring to her lover as "Daddy" while asking to be tied up and disciplined. Given that her father is a well-documented control freak who used to beat his kids, this is more than a little uncomfortable. Speaking of family connections, there's long been a rumour that Janet and Michael will team up again (as they did on 1996's Scream) this year. Well, nothing I heard today confirms that rumour - but there is a track called Rock With You that appears to sample the single of the same name from Off The Wall. Could the finished version feature guest vocals by the former King of Pop? I genuinely hope not. The remaining two tracks, Rollercoaster and Greatest Ex Ever, didn't really set my world alight - but you never know what'll happen on repeated listens. The main thing seems to be that Janet is back on form, vocally and lyrically. The record is very safe and commercial, although I'm not sure where they'll go for the third single (Tonight surely has to be the second). But as a first step towards career rehabilitation Def Jam have made a strong play for their newest diva. | |
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OfftheWall said: JANETS SAMPLING MICHAELS ROCK WITH YOU?!
Janet Jackson - Discipline First up, though, was Janet's Discipline. If you've heard the single, Feedback, you'll have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the album. It's crisp, danceable R&B lavished with Janet's trademark velvet harmonies. The stand-out track was probably Tonight, a bubbling club track which can only be Jackson's response to Rihanna's Don't Stop The Music. Reid mentioned that some of the tracks weren't finished - and this one sounded like it was missing a sample somewhere in the mix. Once that's added, this could be Janet's biggest dance success since Together Again. Love, Love, Love and This Can't Be Good saw the lyrical return of the sweet singer who first raised her head on Let's Wait Awhile - all coy and bashful while falling head over heels in love. But the sleazy siren of 20 YO is also present. Title track Discipline is a gruseome plea for fetishistic S&M sex - with Janet referring to her lover as "Daddy" while asking to be tied up and disciplined. Given that her father is a well-documented control freak who used to beat his kids, this is more than a little uncomfortable. Speaking of family connections, there's long been a rumour that Janet and Michael will team up again (as they did on 1996's Scream) this year. Well, nothing I heard today confirms that rumour - but there is a track called Rock With You that appears to sample the single of the same name from Off The Wall. Could the finished version feature guest vocals by the former King of Pop? I genuinely hope not. The remaining two tracks, Rollercoaster and Greatest Ex Ever, didn't really set my world alight - but you never know what'll happen on repeated listens. The main thing seems to be that Janet is back on form, vocally and lyrically. The record is very safe and commercial, although I'm not sure where they'll go for the third single (Tonight surely has to be the second). But as a first step towards career rehabilitation Def Jam have made a strong play for their newest diva.  Overall, sounds good. I am interested to hear Discipline and Rock With You (if there is such a track). | |
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Rene got his money and "the stupid bitch in in her beach house". He will survive (although the beach house burned down in those California fires. I hope he had insurance. "POOR IS THE MAN WHO'S PLEASURES DEPEND ON THE PERMISSION OF ANOTHER" Madonna
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VoicesCarry said: The creative process behind Control is well documented. JJ & TL had most of the songs prepared for Sharon Bryant, who turned the project down. Then they chose Janet from a list of A&M artists that head of A&R John McClain had given to them. They sat down with her in informal settings such as diners and listened to her talk about her life, and the three adapted the lyrics for Janet's experiences.
They turned in the album and John McClain told them to go back and come up with another uptempo like "Nasty", so "What Have You Done For Me Lately" was written and recorded from scratch. [Edited 1/16/08 12:06pm] Damn sharon bryant turned down the opportunity to work with them. That would have been one hell of a project. Her solo album in 1990 was fair but she probably would have been more of a household name with jam & lewis in her corner. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: VoicesCarry said: The creative process behind Control is well documented. JJ & TL had most of the songs prepared for Sharon Bryant, who turned the project down. Then they chose Janet from a list of A&M artists that head of A&R John McClain had given to them. They sat down with her in informal settings such as diners and listened to her talk about her life, and the three adapted the lyrics for Janet's experiences.
They turned in the album and John McClain told them to go back and come up with another uptempo like "Nasty", so "What Have You Done For Me Lately" was written and recorded from scratch. [Edited 1/16/08 12:06pm] Damn sharon bryant turned down the opportunity to work with them. That would have been one hell of a project. Her solo album in 1990 was fair but she probably would have been more of a household name with jam & lewis in her corner.  Yeah, I know. | |
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phunkdaddy said: VoicesCarry said: The creative process behind Control is well documented. JJ & TL had most of the songs prepared for Sharon Bryant, who turned the project down. Then they chose Janet from a list of A&M artists that head of A&R John McClain had given to them. They sat down with her in informal settings such as diners and listened to her talk about her life, and the three adapted the lyrics for Janet's experiences.
They turned in the album and John McClain told them to go back and come up with another uptempo like "Nasty", so "What Have You Done For Me Lately" was written and recorded from scratch. [Edited 1/16/08 12:06pm] Damn sharon bryant turned down the opportunity to work with them. That would have been one hell of a project. Her solo album in 1990 was fair but she probably would have been more of a household name with jam & lewis in her corner. I bet she's still squirming at hearing the joints Jam & Lewis had cooking for her with another woman's voice on it. OUCH! | |
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Timmy84 said: phunkdaddy said: Damn sharon bryant turned down the opportunity to work with them. That would have been one hell of a project. Her solo album in 1990 was fair but she probably would have been more of a household name with jam & lewis in her corner. I bet she's still squirming at hearing the joints Jam & Lewis had cooking for her with another woman's voice on it. OUCH! OUCH, is right! Didn't the other woman from Atlantic Starr do the same exact thing? You know, the one that help make SECRET LOVERS. | |
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Janets performing at London's G-A-Y
http://www.dailystar.co.u...kson-Live/ 17th January 2008 JANET Jackson is set to give legendary London club night G.A.Y a sendoff by playing the final live event at its traditional home. The knees-up is not only popular with the pink pound, it regularly attracts star performers. Kylie, 39, Girls Aloud and Sugababes have all put on raunchy shows at The Astoria on London’s Charing Cross Road, which is being demolished and replaced by flats. Saucy Janet, 41, releases her highly anticipated first album for new label Def Jam/Island on February 26. A source told me: “Janet is really excited about her new music and can’t wait to get out and start performing again for her fans. She’s very eager to get to the UK, so when she was approached about playing G.A.Y she thought it sounded a wonderful way to mark her comeback. “The capacity will mean it’s an intimate show and one of her smallest in years. It will be truly spectacular.” G.A.Y is renowned for putting on the biggest names in music in a small environment. I hope it doesn’t lose its magic when it re-homes itself at Heaven nightclub. Amy Winehouse, 24, famously pulled out of a set halfway through in January 2007 after dashing off stage to be sick. Spice Girls took to the stage in the summer of 1996 for their first ever live show. Janet’s label premiered a select amount of new tunes last night, including first single Feedback, to select media. | |
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OfftheWall said: Janets performing at London's G-A-Y
http://www.dailystar.co.u...kson-Live/ 17th January 2008 JANET Jackson is set to give legendary London club night G.A.Y a sendoff by playing the final live event at its traditional home. The knees-up is not only popular with the pink pound, it regularly attracts star performers. Kylie, 39, Girls Aloud and Sugababes have all put on raunchy shows at The Astoria on London’s Charing Cross Road, which is being demolished and replaced by flats. Saucy Janet, 41, releases her highly anticipated first album for new label Def Jam/Island on February 26. A source told me: “Janet is really excited about her new music and can’t wait to get out and start performing again for her fans. She’s very eager to get to the UK, so when she was approached about playing G.A.Y she thought it sounded a wonderful way to mark her comeback. “The capacity will mean it’s an intimate show and one of her smallest in years. It will be truly spectacular.” G.A.Y is renowned for putting on the biggest names in music in a small environment. I hope it doesn’t lose its magic when it re-homes itself at Heaven nightclub. Amy Winehouse, 24, famously pulled out of a set halfway through in January 2007 after dashing off stage to be sick. Spice Girls took to the stage in the summer of 1996 for their first ever live show. Janet’s label premiered a select amount of new tunes last night, including first single Feedback, to select media. Wow! Finally givin' somethin' 2 the gay fanbase! | |
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MikeMatronik said: OfftheWall said: Janets performing at London's G-A-Y
http://www.dailystar.co.u...kson-Live/ 17th January 2008 JANET Jackson is set to give legendary London club night G.A.Y a sendoff by playing the final live event at its traditional home. The knees-up is not only popular with the pink pound, it regularly attracts star performers. Kylie, 39, Girls Aloud and Sugababes have all put on raunchy shows at The Astoria on London’s Charing Cross Road, which is being demolished and replaced by flats. Saucy Janet, 41, releases her highly anticipated first album for new label Def Jam/Island on February 26. A source told me: “Janet is really excited about her new music and can’t wait to get out and start performing again for her fans. She’s very eager to get to the UK, so when she was approached about playing G.A.Y she thought it sounded a wonderful way to mark her comeback. “The capacity will mean it’s an intimate show and one of her smallest in years. It will be truly spectacular.” G.A.Y is renowned for putting on the biggest names in music in a small environment. I hope it doesn’t lose its magic when it re-homes itself at Heaven nightclub. Amy Winehouse, 24, famously pulled out of a set halfway through in January 2007 after dashing off stage to be sick. Spice Girls took to the stage in the summer of 1996 for their first ever live show. Janet’s label premiered a select amount of new tunes last night, including first single Feedback, to select media. Wow! Finally givin' somethin' 2 the gay fanbase! she has done surprise performaces at NY Pride in the past. just not since JD took over. thank God it appears he isn't in the drivers seat this time. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Yeah, the gay audience REALLY have a diva's back. They don't care whether or not an album flops or not. I'm glad she's doing this. | |
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ehuffnsd said: badujunkie said: i distinctly remember an interview with rene around the time of the divorce drama (2000?) where he said exactly this: "I wrote 37 songs." not "co-wrote," not "collaborated," "wrote." who knows. i dunno. unless JJ/TL/and JJ can prove that they all sat in a room together and came up with the ideas and Rene was no where to be seen will we ever know. if JJ just showed up with lyrics and handed them over and no one saw her write them there will always be speculation. This is a key point that most people seem to miss. MOST SONGWRITING IS NOT DONE IN THE STUDIO, so Jimmy and Terry would have no way of knowing how much Rene did. Some of you might want to remember that MJ wrote some of his biggest hits in a tree! Not a studio, a tree. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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banks said: VoicesCarry said: Yep. Rene's first involvement on a Janet project was with Rhythm Nation. Janet told Rolling Stone, "Rene' has been my co-writer on almost all my songs since Rhythm Nation but refused to take credit. He wanted to prove that he wasn't with me to take, but to give. I appreciated that attitude, but I also saw that it was leading to feelings of fraudulence-on his part, not mine. On The Velvet Rope, Rene's name appears for the first time as a co-executive producer and co-writer. Just as it's wrong to claim undeserved credit, it's wrong to deny credit when it's deserved." http://www.angelfire.com/...on/a5.html "Fraudelence". Interesting choice of words there. Looks like Rene had an attack of conscience. It was his idea to conceal his involvement, but I think he must have come to realise that lying to the public is never cool. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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I like it...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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MikeMatronik said: Wow! Finally givin' somethin' 2 the gay fanbase! Well they certainly deserve it as they've been very loyal to her over the years. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Cinnamon234 said: MikeMatronik said: Wow! Finally givin' somethin' 2 the gay fanbase! Well they certainly deserve it as they've been very loyal to her over the years. She gives back...  | |
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I love Janets History, but I think she's peeked..It's not like she's an Artist and always evolving,she's a pop singer that has aged and her time is over.
Certain Acts will never gain momentum again, She's one of them. Now if she can produce an Album loyal to her fans and pleasing to hear then thats good enough but if she thinks she can rule the charts again it's over. Even Brittany Can't do that. We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not. | |
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Snake said: I love Janets History, but I think she's peeked..It's not like she's an Artist and always evolving,she's a pop singer that has aged and her time is over.
Certain Acts will never gain momentum again, She's one of them. Now if she can produce an Album loyal to her fans and pleasing to hear then thats good enough but if she thinks she can rule the charts again it's over. Even Brittany Can't do that. I know what you mean. I feel the same way about PRINCE and MJ. Eventhough, the lack of chart status as of late does not quelve my love for them I still get gitty when they release something new. Same with MISS JACKSON. | |
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It's kind of intersting (the cover). I'm kind of liking the look for this album. A little over the top, but at least she's trying. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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From dailystar.co.uk
JANET’S BIT OF DISCIPLINE ABOVE: Janet Jackson18th January 2008 Your Shout I’VE had a sneak peek at two of this year’s biggest albums, Janet Jackson’s Discipline and That Chick by Mariah Carey. I can reveal that Janet, 41, kicks out the slow jams in favour of club bangers on her strongest and most varied collection in donkey’s years. Destiny’s Child producer Rodney Jerkins, 30, is the man behind the standout cuts. Sweet, synth heavy lead-off track Love Love Love is the musical equivalent of Fruit Pastels while buzzy hook fest Feedback is the girl’s best single in a decade. Elsewhere the deliciously Stevie Wonder-ish This Can’t Be Good highlights Janet’s whisper-quiet vocal texture, while Tonight sounds like a future No 1. Only the super sexy (or plain filthy) title track, a ballad penned by Ne-Yo, 26, misses the mark. | |
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where's feedback on the hot 100? I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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badujunkie said: where's feedback on the hot 100?
I just looked at Billboard.com and I'm not sure if it's not updated but it looks like the song missed the Top 50. Last week it was at 52, which would mean it went down (or stayed or moved up one maybe). I don't think the site is updated. | |
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VinnyM27 said: badujunkie said: where's feedback on the hot 100?
I just looked at Billboard.com and I'm not sure if it's not updated but it looks like the song missed the Top 50. Last week it was at 52, which would mean it went down (or stayed or moved up one maybe). I don't think the site is updated. Feedback is at #51. | |
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I guess the title track is about the SuperBowl...another positive review from The Sun UK:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/s...702648.ece RED hot divas MARIAH CAREY and JANET JACKSON are going head to head this spring by releasing comeback albums just weeks apart. The curvy twosome have scheduled their make or break collections around the same time to maximise their impact. Music Biz have had an exclusive listen to both of the records and reckon they’re both strong efforts. Janet’s offering, Discipline, is an X-rated affair. The title track focuses on her famous Superbowl nipple-flashing incident before plunging into adult territory. She apologises to her “daddy” for “touching herself”. She goes on: “I can smell you on my sheets/ Daddy I disobeyed you/ Now come punish me/ I’ve been bad, make me cry”. The rest of the effort is stuffed with an immaculate selection of club tracks and lung-bursting ballads. Mariah’s LP, That Chick, features a string of collaborations with the hottest rappers around. Migrate featuring T-PAIN is a titanic future crunk smash. Not so successful is the diva’s duet with DAMIAN MARLEY called Cruise Control, where she slips into a cringeworthy Jamaican accent, singing: “Me say no man, tink I’m jokin’?” The listening session at a top London hotel was hosted by Island Records CEO ANTONIO REID. And he didn’t miss the opportunity to taunt ailing British label EMI. He gloated: “That’s a music company. Well, it used to be. “We realised that it would take some work with Janet after her last two EMI albums weren’t successful, just like the last Mariah EMI album.” [Edited 1/18/08 10:41am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: VinnyM27 said: I just looked at Billboard.com and I'm not sure if it's not updated but it looks like the song missed the Top 50. Last week it was at 52, which would mean it went down (or stayed or moved up one maybe). I don't think the site is updated. Feedback is at #51. It's also #52 on the Billboard R&B chart and debuted at #38 on the Rhythmic Top 40 chart. Maybe it'll make the dance singles chart soon, lol. | |
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