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PrintableDance said: NWF said: No, I'm saying that there is good music out there like those bands, but folks like you just choose to close your ears to it.
Nothing resembling that idea has ever come from me, so kindly shove that nonsense right back into your behind. The fact that some people don't want to worship Bloc Party, or some myspace band or some MTV darling with you doesn't make them "biased." It just means that they don't like the act(How dare they)or that you have incredibly bad taste and should consider turning MTV off. hey, if bloc party does it for someone, who are we to kill their buzz? ya know? they don't do it for me personally, but better them than some pre-manufactured boy band. but then again, that's MY standards talking, and i'm sure someone could argue that pre-manufactured boy bands have their own valid merits.  | |
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Dance said: It just means that they don't like the act(How dare they)or that you have incredibly bad taste and should consider turning MTV off.
In NWF's defense he only mentioned the one show Subterranean which I have seen and I think it's pretty good--videos by bands that wouldn't be given the time of day on the network outside of that show or on radio. | |
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Anxiety said: Dance said: Nothing resembling that idea has ever come from me, so kindly shove that nonsense right back into your behind. The fact that some people don't want to worship Bloc Party, or some myspace band or some MTV darling with you doesn't make them "biased." It just means that they don't like the act(How dare they)or that you have incredibly bad taste and should consider turning MTV off. hey, if bloc party does it for someone, who are we to kill their buzz? ya know? they don't do it for me personally, but better them than some pre-manufactured boy band. but then again, that's MY standards talking, and i'm sure someone could argue that pre-manufactured boy bands have their own valid merits. Thanx, Anx. 
This person is only making my point stronger by being biased against not just Bloc Party, but MTV itself. What I'm saying is that there is one example of how MTV doesn't suck with their "Subterranean" program. And yes, Bloc Party did get a lot of coverage on that show in fact. But I used them as an example of the good music that's out there today. At least Bloc Party writes, produces, and plays instruments to their own songs. And they're doing an alternative kind of sound too. Another thing is that it's really easy to talk shit about a new artist if you don't understand where they're coming from. If you don't get their style or what inspires them or anything that makes them them, then you're gonna easily talk down to them. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: Flowerz said: why do you care what anyone likes? you dont like the Killers and you expressed yourself on it... and if others do it.. you complain? ppl can dislike whatever they want to.. that makes them individuals .. I don't care what one likes or dislikes nor do I care about what one thinks of what I like or dislike. But that's not my point. I'm saying that yeah, you don't have to like what you don't like, but don't be arrogant about it. I know I don't like The Killers. But I know there's an audience for them. I'm jsut not apart of it. But this is about folks that are just biased against any new act today. Why? because they don't sound like such-a-such act from back in the day. And if one always judges a new act to an old one then they'll never understand the joy of appreciating that new act. personally.. i dont like today's acts.. why? they're lazy .. computer does it all for them (enhancing their voice) or the songs are just not quality sounding.... record labels want 'eye candy' instead of 'ear candy' all for a quick dollar....you gotta dress skimpy to be famous  where's the talent??? ..the ones who really can sing are put on a back burner...we need to go back to Acapella and real instruments | |
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Axchi696 said: NWF said: 
Ever listen to Bloc Party? Now that's some good stuff.  I  Bloc Party. I'd put them somewhere in my top 5 new acts of the '00s. They might actually be #1.
"Flux" has been kicking my ass since it leaked way back in October. It is a good song, isnt it? I really wasnt expecting them to come with such an electronic edge, but Im pleasantly suprised. The new album should be interesting. btw, I really hope you're talking about the song leaking, not your ass  A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE. | |
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Flowerz said: NWF said: I don't care what one likes or dislikes nor do I care about what one thinks of what I like or dislike. But that's not my point. I'm saying that yeah, you don't have to like what you don't like, but don't be arrogant about it. I know I don't like The Killers. But I know there's an audience for them. I'm jsut not apart of it. But this is about folks that are just biased against any new act today. Why? because they don't sound like such-a-such act from back in the day. And if one always judges a new act to an old one then they'll never understand the joy of appreciating that new act. personally.. i dont like today's acts.. why? they're lazy .. computer does it all for them (enhancing their voice) or the songs are just not quality sounding.... record labels want 'eye candy' instead of 'ear candy' all for a quick dollar....you gotta dress skimpy to be famous where's the talent??? ..the ones who really can sing are put on a back burner...we need to go back to Acapella and real instruments But see, you're talking about Pop music for the most part. That's not the only music out there though. And even in popular music you can still find a few diamonds in the rough. Sadly, yes we do have to dig a little deeper into the underground to find good new and even groundbreaking music. Why should things have to be this way? Who says that things should be like this? And why waste time bitching about it? The time you're wasting bitching about it could be used to create some kind or change in the music game. I know I keep bringing up the Punk Rock era as an example, but it was quite clear then that a change occured. Why can't folks do the same thing now? NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: Thanx, Anx.
This person is only making my point stronger by being biased against not just Bloc Party, but MTV itself. What I'm saying is that there is one example of how MTV doesn't suck with their "Subterranean" program. And yes, Bloc Party did get a lot of coverage on that show in fact. But I used them as an example of the good music that's out there today. At least Bloc Party writes, produces, and plays instruments to their own songs. And they're doing an alternative kind of sound too. Another thing is that it's really easy to talk shit about a new artist if you don't understand where they're coming from. If you don't get their style or what inspires them or anything that makes them them, then you're gonna easily talk down to them. Knowing a band's life story doesn't make them suck any less. The fact that a group actually plays instruments and creates original music doesn't mean they automatically deserve support. [Edited 1/11/08 11:04am] | |
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NWF said: Flowerz said: personally.. i dont like today's acts.. why? they're lazy .. computer does it all for them (enhancing their voice) or the songs are just not quality sounding.... record labels want 'eye candy' instead of 'ear candy' all for a quick dollar....you gotta dress skimpy to be famous where's the talent??? ..the ones who really can sing are put on a back burner...we need to go back to Acapella and real instruments But see, you're talking about Pop music for the most part. That's not the only music out there though. And even in popular music you can still find a few diamonds in the rough. Sadly, yes we do have to dig a little deeper into the underground to find good new and even groundbreaking music. Why should things have to be this way? Who says that things should be like this? And why waste time bitching about it? The time you're wasting bitching about it could be used to create some kind or change in the music game. I know I keep bringing up the Punk Rock era as an example, but it was quite clear then that a change occured. Why can't folks do the same thing now? Some folks like to bitch, apparently. Their prerogative. I say they're missing out on some great stuff. | |
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NWF....i know what you mean
i used to come hear to find out about new music now all i can find are threads about Janet Jackson or Terence Trent Darby, etc. | |
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planetearthsucks said: NWF....i know what you mean
i used to come hear to find out about new music now all i can find are threads about Janet Jackson or Terence Trent Darby, etc. and michael jackson |
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planetearthsucks said: NWF....i know what you mean
i used to come hear to find out about new music now all i can find are threads about Janet Jackson or Terence Trent Darby, etc. Exactly! I used to come to the org to find out who the new sensational artist was or what new and exciting sounds are out there (as well as the 411 on my purple hero). I also like to share with folks the music that I like and see who liked the same kind of music. But yes, I'm seeing more and more threads about the same artists. There's always some thread about what Janet, Madonna, Britney, MJ, or whoever and what they're doing. But I hardly ever see anything about At The Drive-In, Fugazi, or Spandau Ballet for example. And for the record, "Planet Earth" does not suck. It fucking ROCKS!  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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Dance said: NWF said: Thanx, Anx.
This person is only making my point stronger by being biased against not just Bloc Party, but MTV itself. What I'm saying is that there is one example of how MTV doesn't suck with their "Subterranean" program. And yes, Bloc Party did get a lot of coverage on that show in fact. But I used them as an example of the good music that's out there today. At least Bloc Party writes, produces, and plays instruments to their own songs. And they're doing an alternative kind of sound too. Another thing is that it's really easy to talk shit about a new artist if you don't understand where they're coming from. If you don't get their style or what inspires them or anything that makes them them, then you're gonna easily talk down to them. Knowing a band's life story doesn't make them suck any less. The fact that a group actually plays instruments and creates original music doesn't mean they automatically deserve support. [Edited 1/11/08 11:04am] But have you listened to this band? What you're telling me right now is not convincing me to agree with you. You come off like a snob just like some of these other orgers. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: RipHer2Shreds said: Funny because you popped up in a thread somebody started about The Killers only to say they sucked and are posers. Generally speaking, if I don't like somebody I avoid the subject, be it new or old. My preference is for classic music, but I don't know that I've ever started or participated in a thread saying new music sucks. Not that you're accusing anyone directly of it, but there is a lot of that here. Always has been in the near 4 years I've been here. And yes, I stick by that statement about the Killers, well, because they kinda are. They're trying to bring back New Wave but not getting the formula right. It seems like they just tried to jump on the whole New Wave bandwagon when every other alternative band was getting into it. They must've heard a Duran Duran record and said "hey, we can do this". But I grew up listening to the genre and was completely peerless. I used to get called all kinds of insults in school for loving this music. So it's funny to see folks my age get into it now when I believed I was the only one I knew who loved the genre. I question a band like them, basically. But at least other bands like Bloc Party and Franz Ferdinand are inspired by the genre, but put a pin on it and make it their own. But bands like the Killers and The Bravery even are not so much trying to create a new sound as they are reviving an old one. New Wave was an 80's thing and if you're gonna do that, at least put some kind of creative spin on it. And make it funky too. A lot of New Wave bands back then compared to now had Soul and Funk in their trunk.  Some bands like The Rapture and VHS or Beta understand this, but many others don't.
Now you're probably thinking "but didn't that New Wave guy say in the beginning that we should go out and create the music ourselves"? Well, yes you should. But if you're trying to bring back old genres like Funk or Disco you'll only be doing some nostalgic thing. You can, if it makes you happy, but I think there should be some kind of new spin on whatever old school genre you wish to play. Just do something totally new. But my original point is this: there's too many folks here that just come and bitch and complain about how there's NO good music out there today. Or they complain about how the music today doesn't compare to the music of the days of yore. And I think that it's just unfair that folks are completely biased against anything (even the good stuff) that comes out in the millenium because it doesn't sound like an old school act. I'm from the school of Punk Rock, and they were all about DIY (Do It Yourself) was pretty much the philosophy. I'm all for revolution and change, but it won't happen just by sitting on your ass and bitching on the internet. And that's what I'm doing. I play in a Funk/Rock band here in New York, and we're one of the few bands of those kind that are under 30 and doing it our own way.  I get what you're saying and I agree that there is a lot of bitching and moaning about current music. A lot of it is justified. As a rule of thumb, I tend to like to talk about things I like whether it be music, movies, books, etc., and avoid talking about stuff I don't like. Of course, there are exceptions, but it's a general statement. Some people really just like to bitch about whatever, and there are plenty of those here.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I think what some folks really miss (whether they know it or not) is the days when radio was a good way to find music you liked. Those days are pretty much gone unless you subscribe to one of the satellite wheely dealy things. Some people don't feel like turning over rocks or don't have the opportunity to look in specialty stores to find new music. Whether or not you prefer to find new music on the radio, on your own or have people actully just bring it to your ass is all preference. There does, of course, come a time when you need to stop bitching and do something about it. That, too, should be a general rule of thumb for all life activities.  | |
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Well i look at it this way, theres room for everyone but mediawise, there isnt. Thats where the "music sucks today" comes from, i can see where people will say it and then the argument will be you have to look for it. But i think thats where it becomes an issue, the breakdown, its about that "you have to look for it" analogy, which is true, but at the same time you have to realize a BIG % of the world isnt going to look despite having the tools, they will base on what is being fed to them day in day out. And thats the issue, back in any other decade, even the 90's you were fed everything and you just cultivated that into your own taste, i mean you had dj's who were music lovers, you had labels that were run by people who were into music not into business, so there in lies the breakdown and cause. But if someone like Jimi Hendrix came out today he would be getting the Van Hunt treatment, meaning dropped, or forced to conform to what society thinks an RB artist should be today. But these times have not made room very everyone Jill Scott should be on the radio and BET/MTV/VH1 just as much as Beyonce and we all know that, and thats not slighting Beyonce's talent, thats slighting the business for NOT working ALL the talent. I can almost guarantee that if you all of a sudden changed radio playlists from 10 songs to 100 and no genre specific, and if went to mtv/vh1/bet and turned them back into what they were "music networks" and had them play videos of everyone 24/7 you would see a change and no more "music sucks today", at least not as much. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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NWF said: But I hardly ever see anything about At The Drive-In, Fugazi, or Spandau Ballet for example.
True. / [Edited 1/11/08 12:40pm] | |
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Illustrator said: NWF said: Spandau Ballet
True. | |
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NWF said: Flowerz said: personally.. i dont like today's acts.. why? they're lazy .. computer does it all for them (enhancing their voice) or the songs are just not quality sounding.... record labels want 'eye candy' instead of 'ear candy' all for a quick dollar....you gotta dress skimpy to be famous where's the talent??? ..the ones who really can sing are put on a back burner...we need to go back to Acapella and real instruments But see, you're talking about Pop music for the most part. That's not the only music out there though. And even in popular music you can still find a few diamonds in the rough. Sadly, yes we do have to dig a little deeper into the underground to find good new and even groundbreaking music. Why should things have to be this way? Who says that things should be like this? And why waste time bitching about it? The time you're wasting bitching about it could be used to create some kind or change in the music game. I know I keep bringing up the Punk Rock era as an example, but it was quite clear then that a change occured. Why can't folks do the same thing now? i dont.. i was addressing your statement... which initially was my 1st post.. of .. why are 'you' complaining of what ppl like? you went to great lengths creating a thread of how upset you are with the public for being 'biased'... who's really wasting alot of time here? | |
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NWF said: Dance said: Knowing a band's life story doesn't make them suck any less. The fact that a group actually plays instruments and creates original music doesn't mean they automatically deserve support. [Edited 1/11/08 11:04am] But have you listened to this band? What you're telling me right now is not convincing me to agree with you. You come off like a snob just like some of these other orgers. Dude, you make about as much sense as this: 
What you and a few others like to say boils down to, "You don't like these particular bands/artists so you must be [insert bullshit here]." | |
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NWF said: And for the record, "Planet Earth" does not suck. It fucking ROCKS! i wouldn't go that far | |
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Illustrator said: NWF said: But I hardly ever see anything about At The Drive-In, Fugazi, or Spandau Ballet for example.
True. / [Edited 1/11/08 12:40pm]  | |
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NWF said: And for the record, "Planet Earth" does not suck. It fucking ROCKS!
 It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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RipHer2Shreds said: Illustrator said: True. See, these folks get it. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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FuNkeNsteiN said: NWF said: And for the record, "Planet Earth" does not suck. It fucking ROCKS!
Oh shut up. You just want a "Dirty Mind part 2."
Not happening. Since New Wave/sexfunk is dead, I say let the past be the past. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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Dance said: NWF said: But have you listened to this band? What you're telling me right now is not convincing me to agree with you. You come off like a snob just like some of these other orgers. Dude, you make about as much sense as this:
What you and a few others like to say boils down to, "You don't like these particular bands/artists so you must be [insert bullshit here]." What you're saying is only validating my point. How can you be so oblivious to that fact? NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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