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WGA Strike could take down the 50th Annual Grammy Awards(UPDATE: Grammys has another issue now....)

What was set to be a big milestone for the Grammys, may turn into their worst nightmare. With the Golden Globes cancelled, the Grammys are next in line. though the show is almost 90% performance based, the show still employs writers from the networks. The show can try to get waiver and hire a few writers for the show, but will they want to cross that picket line in front of the theater, i doubt it, and the same can be said of the artists who will now have to make a choice of where to stand in this fight. With no end near for this strike, the loss of the grammys (though not a ratings strength), will greatly affect the music industry, since its held Feb 10th, it comes weeks before the close of the fiscal year for labels, the show has always helped the industry with sales due to its winners and performers, but now with the show in jeporady that money looks to not roll in for the labels who already posted their worst year ever. Variety magazine has reported the Academy Awards could be next since the choice of host "jon stewart" has not even been showing to do his own show in support of the strike.
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Reply #1 posted 01/10/08 10:29am

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Why don't they just hire a host who can actually do extemporaneous monologoue? Or simply dispense with a host altogether and just have people come up and announce winners or performers. Stoopid.
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Reply #2 posted 01/10/08 10:35am

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VoicesCarry said:

Why don't they just hire a host who can actually do extemporaneous monologoue? Or simply dispense with a host altogether and just have people come up and announce winners or performers. Stoopid.


Have the grammy's even had hosts in the last few years? they seem to throw someone out at the beginning and then you never see them during the show, sometimes they let artists do most of the talking, but everything they say is usually written for them. Im just hoping it gets cancelled because i know Kanye West will spin this into a vendetta against him since hes a safe bet for Album of the Year.

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Reply #3 posted 01/10/08 10:37am

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the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?
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Reply #4 posted 01/10/08 10:38am

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the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?


True.
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Reply #5 posted 01/10/08 10:39am

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Yeah, right.

The Grammys don't have an actors union, lol!
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Reply #6 posted 01/10/08 10:42am

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sosgemini said:

the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?


Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?

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Reply #7 posted 01/10/08 10:44am

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lastdecember said:

sosgemini said:

the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?


Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?


They ain't got no damn writers. They didn't even have a host for the shit in the last three years. falloff

Last year, they just announced the performers and winners and the winners were the ones who dragged the thing by talking out they ass. lol

If the Grammys are part of some union, then why wasn't I alarmed of it? lol
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lastdecember said:

sosgemini said:

the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?


Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?

if they get a waiver the union won't picket. though i don't think they will get it because the writers are trying to remind everyone that they have no show without them.

i believe the last writers strike lasted 5-7 months. we're just on month two.

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Reply #9 posted 01/10/08 10:46am

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Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:



Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?


They ain't got no damn writers. They didn't even have a host for the shit in the last three years. falloff

Last year, they just announced the performers and winners and the winners were the ones who dragged the thing by talking out they ass. lol

If the Grammys are part of some union, then why wasn't I alarmed of it? lol


the people that write the stupid jokes and speeches they read off of the telepromters though are part of the union.
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Reply #10 posted 01/10/08 10:48am

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:



They ain't got no damn writers. They didn't even have a host for the shit in the last three years. falloff

Last year, they just announced the performers and winners and the winners were the ones who dragged the thing by talking out they ass. lol

If the Grammys are part of some union, then why wasn't I alarmed of it? lol


the people that write the stupid jokes and speeches they read off of the telepromters though are part of the union.


Well we'll be better WITHOUT them. I say CROSS the picket lines for that shit, perform, get your award and get the hell out of there! hah!
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ehuffnsd said:



the people that write the stupid jokes and speeches they read off of the telepromters though are part of the union.


Well we'll be better WITHOUT them. I say CROSS the picket lines for that shit, perform, get your award and get the hell out of there! hah!



the writers are striking for the same thing artist are bitching about proceeds from the internet.

it would be smart for them to honor the picket line if there should be one. that's why the actors guild is honoring the picket line because they are set for renegoations this summer and a threatening another strike if they don't get more of the internet pie.

it seems hollywood is going to be closed for awhile.
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Reply #12 posted 01/10/08 10:50am

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Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:



Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?


They ain't got no damn writers. They didn't even have a host for the shit in the last three years. falloff

Last year, they just announced the performers and winners and the winners were the ones who dragged the thing by talking out they ass. lol

If the Grammys are part of some union, then why wasn't I alarmed of it? lol


well thats what they will do most likely, but the show wont have a writer employed and trust me, artists will have to decide whats more important, crossing the picket lines in front of the theater and picking up their award, or taking a stand with the writers.

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:



They ain't got no damn writers. They didn't even have a host for the shit in the last three years. falloff

Last year, they just announced the performers and winners and the winners were the ones who dragged the thing by talking out they ass. lol

If the Grammys are part of some union, then why wasn't I alarmed of it? lol


well thats what they will do most likely, but the show wont have a writer employed and trust me, artists will have to decide whats more important, crossing the picket lines in front of the theater and picking up their award, or taking a stand with the writers.

they should stand with the writers.
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Timmy84 said:



Well we'll be better WITHOUT them. I say CROSS the picket lines for that shit, perform, get your award and get the hell out of there! hah!



the writers are striking for the same thing artist are bitching about proceeds from the internet.

it would be smart for them to honor the picket line if there should be one. that's why the actors guild is honoring the picket line because they are set for renegoations this summer and a threatening another strike if they don't get more of the internet pie.

it seems hollywood is going to be closed for awhile.


Thats what im saying, if artists cross that line for an award or a performance they better never bitch about "the man" ripping them off.

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Reply #15 posted 01/10/08 10:53am

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ehuffnsd said:

lastdecember said:



well thats what they will do most likely, but the show wont have a writer employed and trust me, artists will have to decide whats more important, crossing the picket lines in front of the theater and picking up their award, or taking a stand with the writers.

they should stand with the writers.


What for allowing them to say some shitty stuff? falloff

By the way, where is it on the Variety site? Unless you meant the MAGAZINE, lol.

But Hollywood was in danger of this anyway. A lot of people's money is getting fucked with.

If this goes on, the Grammys and Oscars will have press conferences but both sects (I know the Oscars are anyway) will probably be too proud to close down their award shows since both of those shows have ANNIVERSARIES planned and shit. lol
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Reply #16 posted 01/10/08 10:56am

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Timmy84 said:

ehuffnsd said:


they should stand with the writers.


What for allowing them to say some shitty stuff? falloff

By the way, where is it on the Variety site? Unless you meant the MAGAZINE, lol.

But Hollywood was in danger of this anyway. A lot of people's money is getting fucked with.

If this goes on, the Grammys and Oscars will have press conferences but both sects (I know the Oscars are anyway) will probably be too proud to close down their award shows since both of those shows have ANNIVERSARIES planned and shit. lol



the writers are doing a good job at prooving how important they are. i believe that they are now affecting not only this tv season but the next.

movie scripts are also going to run out by the end of the summer so we have movies to last til maybe the first of next year.
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Reply #17 posted 01/10/08 10:56am

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lastdecember said:

ehuffnsd said:




the writers are striking for the same thing artist are bitching about proceeds from the internet.

it would be smart for them to honor the picket line if there should be one. that's why the actors guild is honoring the picket line because they are set for renegoations this summer and a threatening another strike if they don't get more of the internet pie.

it seems hollywood is going to be closed for awhile.


Thats what im saying, if artists cross that line for an award or a performance they better never bitch about "the man" ripping them off.


You think Kanye will be in front of somewhere going "Hollywood doesn't care about black people"? lol
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Reply #18 posted 01/10/08 10:58am

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:



What for allowing them to say some shitty stuff? falloff

By the way, where is it on the Variety site? Unless you meant the MAGAZINE, lol.

But Hollywood was in danger of this anyway. A lot of people's money is getting fucked with.

If this goes on, the Grammys and Oscars will have press conferences but both sects (I know the Oscars are anyway) will probably be too proud to close down their award shows since both of those shows have ANNIVERSARIES planned and shit. lol



the writers are doing a good job at prooving how important they are. i believe that they are now affecting not only this tv season but the next.

movie scripts are also going to run out by the end of the summer so we have movies to last til maybe the first of next year.


Then that means Hollywood was shitty to begin with WITH the writers but I bet when the strike ends, we'll be back to the same old bland shit that has plagued Hollywood in the last decade or so. I'm kinda indifferent about the strike. I understand their concern for getting paid for internet usage of shows and shit but if either side don't budge (I think the writers are expecting the corporates to bow down to their feet and I actually don't think it's gonna happen though they're putting up a fight, time will tell how brave OR stupid they were).
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Timmy84 said:

ehuffnsd said:




the writers are doing a good job at prooving how important they are. i believe that they are now affecting not only this tv season but the next.

movie scripts are also going to run out by the end of the summer so we have movies to last til maybe the first of next year.


Then that means Hollywood was shitty to begin with WITH the writers but I bet when the strike ends, we'll be back to the same old bland shit that has plagued Hollywood in the last decade or so. I'm kinda indifferent about the strike. I understand their concern for getting paid for internet usage of shows and shit but if either side don't budge (I think the writers are expecting the corporates to bow down to their feet and I actually don't think it's gonna happen though they're putting up a fight, time will tell how brave OR stupid they were).


there is no hollywood without scribes.
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Reply #20 posted 01/10/08 11:01am

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ehuffnsd said:

Timmy84 said:



Then that means Hollywood was shitty to begin with WITH the writers but I bet when the strike ends, we'll be back to the same old bland shit that has plagued Hollywood in the last decade or so. I'm kinda indifferent about the strike. I understand their concern for getting paid for internet usage of shows and shit but if either side don't budge (I think the writers are expecting the corporates to bow down to their feet and I actually don't think it's gonna happen though they're putting up a fight, time will tell how brave OR stupid they were).


there is no hollywood without scribes.


Then the new name should Bitch-Be-Gone Wood. lol
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Reply #21 posted 01/10/08 11:05am

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By the way I still don't see where the strike could affect the Grammys...YET.

However, the writers ARE confirmed to be going against the Oscars. But other than that, that's it until more news come out.
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lastdecember said:

sosgemini said:

the grammy's are not at risk. lol

this is silly...the only reason the golden globes were at risk was due to the nominated actors unified and refused to cross the picket line...artist are *not* part of a union in the first place.

what third grader did this report?


Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?


Thats just silly for Variety to report on this...if shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars and Dick Clark's New Years Bash can go on sans writers then so can this show.
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By the way I still don't see where the strike could affect the Grammys...YET.

However, the writers ARE confirmed to be going against the Oscars. But other than that, that's it until more news come out.


The grammys can happen without writers as could the academy awards, the Grammys show is 90% performances anyway, and remember only about 10 awards are given on the grammys telecast, but this is where writers come in, they write that stuff, and also when they announce who won before the show and all that junk, thats all written, so the grammys could happen but it will just be a bunch of performances, if the performers want to cross the line, which they should think about . As for the oscars, they are almost 90% talking and that takes writers, so that would be a joke to try and put on, and also Jon Stewart isnt even showing up to do his show, why would cross the line to tell jokes on the oscars.

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Reply #24 posted 01/10/08 11:16am

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sosgemini said:

lastdecember said:



Its reported in Variety magazine, its not the artists but the show itself employs writers, and since it would have to have writers they have to get a waiver to hire writers, which is almost impossible to do, plus will that group of writers want to walk past the striking ones?


Thats just silly for Variety to report on this...if shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars and Dick Clark's New Years Bash can go on sans writers then so can this show.


Which is why I don't see where it says the strike could affect the Grammys. Sure they said they didn't get a chance to stop broadcast of the American Music Awards because the writers already had done their job before the strike really took off but the Grammys really haven't had a host in three years and if a presenter needs a WRITER to tell him or her what to say then these people are robots to the system. Like they're programmed to say whatever.

Hollyfuck was shit with the writers and it's shit without it. For many, that can be a good thing...for a while. People are questioning already whether film and TV stars will stick by the striking writers unless they're that well off that they would actually stick up for something. And Hollyfuck ain't about to give in to people who want pay for net usage. They're too ignorant, greedy and stupid to look at the needs of the writers. In the meantime, everything in Hollywood is getting fucked over.

If this lasts seven months or so, then I consider Hollywood DEAD. And a lot of fingers will be pointed for its demise on both sides. Kinda tragic even if it's great to stand up for your rights. The musicians can get their award during performances at concerts, lol, if the strike affects the Grammys at all. You think the strike will have an effect on the BET and MTV awards? eek

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Reply #25 posted 01/10/08 11:19am

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

By the way I still don't see where the strike could affect the Grammys...YET.

However, the writers ARE confirmed to be going against the Oscars. But other than that, that's it until more news come out.


The grammys can happen without writers as could the academy awards, the Grammys show is 90% performances anyway, and remember only about 10 awards are given on the grammys telecast, but this is where writers come in, they write that stuff, and also when they announce who won before the show and all that junk, thats all written, so the grammys could happen but it will just be a bunch of performances, if the performers want to cross the line, which they should think about . As for the oscars, they are almost 90% talking and that takes writers, so that would be a joke to try and put on, and also Jon Stewart isnt even showing up to do his show, why would cross the line to tell jokes on the oscars.


Then this is why the OSCARS are on the news in danger of being canceled. The performers can do their thing at the Grammy Awards (if they like, hey, if they're not part of a union, what can they do? Like I say, when is Kanye going to be seen with a picket line? lol ) and then when they win, go like Amy Winehouse saying one "thank you" and walk off. THAT'S WHAT WINNERS SHOULD DO IN THE FIRST PLACE! nod
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Reply #26 posted 01/10/08 11:20am

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I rather for the Oscars not to happen anyway. That's the MOST boring show in the history of awards shows!!!!

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Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:



The grammys can happen without writers as could the academy awards, the Grammys show is 90% performances anyway, and remember only about 10 awards are given on the grammys telecast, but this is where writers come in, they write that stuff, and also when they announce who won before the show and all that junk, thats all written, so the grammys could happen but it will just be a bunch of performances, if the performers want to cross the line, which they should think about . As for the oscars, they are almost 90% talking and that takes writers, so that would be a joke to try and put on, and also Jon Stewart isnt even showing up to do his show, why would cross the line to tell jokes on the oscars.


Then this is why the OSCARS are on the news in danger of being canceled. The performers can do their thing at the Grammy Awards (if they like, hey, if they're not part of a union, what can they do? Like I say, when is Kanye going to be seen with a picket line? lol ) and then when they win, go like Amy Winehouse saying one "thank you" and walk off. THAT'S WHAT WINNERS SHOULD DO IN THE FIRST PLACE! nod


Also the OSCARS actually get ratings, the Grammys tends to be a disaster, and even last year though Justin preached about how the show did better because he was on it, he forgot to read the whole report that showed that people tuned in for the opening with the POLICE reunion and then more than half changed the channels.

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Reply #28 posted 01/10/08 11:27am

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:



Then this is why the OSCARS are on the news in danger of being canceled. The performers can do their thing at the Grammy Awards (if they like, hey, if they're not part of a union, what can they do? Like I say, when is Kanye going to be seen with a picket line? lol ) and then when they win, go like Amy Winehouse saying one "thank you" and walk off. THAT'S WHAT WINNERS SHOULD DO IN THE FIRST PLACE! nod


Also the OSCARS actually get ratings, the Grammys tends to be a disaster, and even last year though Justin preached about how the show did better because he was on it, he forgot to read the whole report that showed that people tuned in for the opening with the POLICE reunion and then more than half changed the channels.


Well, the Oscars are still shitty. lol Whatever, I'm just interested to see who wins the shits no matter if it's televised or not. The WGA can succeed in having the Oscars canceled but it probably won't reach Grammy-ville. According to what I read in Variety.com about the strike affecting awards shows is that while Garth Brooks had decided not to do anything associated with Grammys or whatever, all nominated recording acts ain't said shit. Until I hear something, the musicians will arrogantly cross picket lines.

Therefore, the Oscars will be a press conference but the GRAMMYS will go on with shitty performances. lol It'll be a 50/50 thing at the least.
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Reply #29 posted 01/10/08 11:28am

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Also, Justin's performance SUCKED ASS! lol
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